Shimond wrote: »

Distrobomb wrote: »

Get quest, kill monsters, turn in quest. Did I miss something?

Quite a bit, apparently.

Enlighten me, or are you just defending because you have a hangnail this morning?

To me, it's more like WOW destroyed the online gaming scene completely.

Gohlar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

To me, it's more like WOW destroyed the online gaming scene completely.

Well what are you doing here then?

ESO owes a large bulk of it's designs to WoW.

I'm looking for a game to enjoy. What are you *** here?

Say what you will but Blizzard has made quality games since its creation. It also listens to its customer base. Look at diablo3- they have made so many changes to that game based on what people want. You cant make everyone happy but you can try. I dont see that in this game and thats because it is a private company.

Gohlar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

To me, it's more like WOW destroyed the online gaming scene completely.

Well what are you doing here then?

ESO owes a large bulk of it's designs to WoW.

I'm looking for a game to enjoy. What are you *** here?

Poking fun at obvious double standards made by fashionable nonconformists.

I see. I hope you enjoy your time then.

This is just my opinion from talking to a few people who disliked this game and that the hardest thing they found with the game was they were overwhelmed with the options.

Wow put most gamers into the "Trinity" mind set. This meaning the healer heals. The tank tanks and dps is, well dps…most games followed that suit. When games deviated from that early on it turned a whole generation off. We were not ready as a majority for that to be broken yet.

Now don't get me wrong many games have gone deeper into that customization of specs and it has it niche. I think the more games that do it will have better chances of succeeding.

Imho, I think wow spoiled the new generation of gamers coming up. They cater to the "I want it right now gamers"… I am not being disrespectful to anyone or calling any gamers out but you have to admit you have older gamers and newer gen gamers and both have seen changes that the other dislikes.

Take it for what it is worth; I loved wow back in the day when I could devote hours and hours to raid for that one piece of gear ….maybe….but to be honest ,I can't raid like that anymore . We all grow up have families and jobs and well ...I am a casual player now compared to" back in the day"

not spoiled just brainwashed….

Zubba wrote: »

I understand what you are saying. But I never liked wow at all. To me wow is extremely restricted. But so big success it ruined coming titles for now over ten years,

What you like and dislike are, of course, a matter of taste. But the success of something like a computer game does not restrict other titles in the same way as say a book, film or television series would. An MMO does not need that many subscribers for it to be worthwhile keeping servers going and releasing timely content. There are any number of MMOs who bounce along with a hundred thousand players and still keep going.

There was certainly a different feel to mmos before wow. Look at EQ1, AC, DAOC, AO. Mmos then vs now. The difference in the communities alone is night and day. Think about *** in EQ, if you were a troll EVERONE knew and you were blacklisted when it actually ment something. Then wow came along and made spoonfeding everyone seem like 'proper mmo design', now it seems trolls outnumber normal people.

Love it or hate it Wow is one of the most well known and most popular mmo's out there. After 10 years they are still at it. The fact that almost every game forum you go to has someone yelling "WOW clone or this game sucks wow did it first"….... shows that it is still the "you need to be this high to ride".

I still play it from time to time but it has been dumb down so much and watered down it has lost its appeal to me. I can sit here and go one about " back in my day we had to kill ten dragons and 30 snakes and stand on our heads and all dance in sync to just get to look at a purple" ( while riding our ground mounts no flying yet son)now they hand them out like trick or treat candy on an isle devoted to purple gear. Times change and wow changed with the times. It is just good business.

No matter what you think of the game itself it made an impact, good or bad, in the gaming community.




*oh yeah and brain washed a whole gen of players..... wow good others bad must chase murlocks.... oh sorry still deprograming myself

Spoiled is the wrong word. Conditioned is the right one.

knightblaster wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

I think that with WOTLK and all those measurement tools, people stopped playing for fun, but to prove themselves.

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Just look at it, already during Beta various people posted leveling guides, crafting guides etc. and many at the forum read them. They did so because they were afraid to fail, but by doing so they ruined the whole game for them. Lets face it, a game wont be fun if you treat it as a job, but this is what many of these readers do.

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With ESO its the same, I have no idea what the max skill level is, what zones there are, what skills my classes have, what happens if I walk left instead of right. And you know what? This is fun and I can only tell everyone who is spoiled by wow, turn of your Addons, turn of ESOhead and just play the game. Avoid threads at the forum which are clearly a spoiler - you will have a lot more fun like that.


That said, don't expect the community to tolerate this. While it didn't happen yet at ESO, I remember wow and how furious people were if you didn't know a boss fight or if you didn't know a shortcut in a dungeon...

While I don't disagree that this play style can be fun, different people find different things fun.

For some players, playing an online game more "professionally" -- that is, having a good and thorough knowledge of the key systems at least before playing so that decisions are optimized -- is a core part of their fun experience. They don't enjoy stumbling around -- they don't find it fun, but frustrating. Obviously a different definition of fun from what you have, and that's fine, I think.

I also think many players have been molded by WoW, but also many players are, regardless of WoW, older, less patient, and want to get things done faster so as to avoid taking 10 months to level (want to not be tied to one game for 10 months). It varies.

I do think that WoW had a very negative impact on the MMO space in terms of game design, but I also think that there is more than one legit playstyle and not everyone likes to explore and wander without having prepared themselves with knowledge first. Yes, it's a "gamey-er" way to play, but these are games, and these are gamers -- many like playing in a "gamey" way.

You are correct, there is nothing wrong with playing a game more professional. I have been to pvp tournaments, was in tv with our raid during AQ and Naxx, but I never forced others into being like me.

And that's what I miss so today. People expect that everyone is playing professional and those that don't, are insulted and excluded from the community, so that they must create their own community.

This makes it so hard for companies to design games these days. A good example is wow and LFR or LFD.

The basic idea behind both tools is good. Pro´s can run with their guild, relaxed gamers can run with other relaxed randoms.

Problem is, as soon you join a LFD or LFR you are measured by tools that define if you are good enough or not. You are not even asked if you want to play like some nerd in his progamer guild, no! You are automatically either degraded to a scrub or promoted to a good player - just by these tools and the people that use them.

This is the whole issue in gaming today, people are intolerant and demand that everyone gives up his life or plays as professional as they do.

Shimond wrote: »

But then WOW has become all about the endgame. I mean that's why they're offering the ability to buy your way close to the level cap, right? Even though they redid all their leveling zones just two expacs ago, they're saying their leveling content is boring and/or sucks.

As far as I'm concerned WoW is veyr much about the end game, yes. Were it not for the fact that I can't find another game with the same sophisticated end game content, I probably would have moved on myself.

It's not a boost to level cap they're selling, but it's certainly a payment for a massive boost to levelling. I was also dead against the redesign of the original levelling zones and, yes, it seems silly to let people play to now miss all that out.

But all of those things aside which I don't like about the game does not make it a bad game in it's modern form. It's a bit like the Beatles; I thought they were tuneless noisemakers who produced songs which were fit only for children's parties. However, the sheer number of people who love their music means that I have to answer in the affirmative if ever asked if they were a great music band. Same applies to WoW. Don't like it? Enough people do that the game can afford to drop double the total subscription count of many other 'popular' MMOs without breaking a sweat. That makes it the best MMO out there according to the only measure which is anything like objective: the popularity of the product.

Thete wrote: »

But all of those things aside which I don't like about the game does not make it a bad game in it's modern form. It's a bit like the Beatles; I thought they were tuneless noisemakers who produced songs which were fit only for children's parties. However, the sheer number of people who love their music means that I have to answer in the affirmative if ever asked if they were a great music band. Same applies to WoW. Don't like it? Enough people do that the game can afford to drop double the total subscription count of many other 'popular' MMOs without breaking a sweat. That makes it the best MMO out there according to the only measure which is anything like objective: the popularity of the product.

There is no doubt it is the most popular and financially successful and will remain so for a long time (I suspect). That doesn't mean EVERYONE will like it or want every other game to play just like it. McDonald's makes a tremendous amount of money too doing what they do, and I can't tell you the last time I ate there.