Please help with Monster set for magicka dps

washbern · June 2019

Hey guys!

So I was listening to some magicka tutorials on YouTube and one thing bothers me. I find that the monster sets they recommend are basically only good for a parsing dummy. I was using Skoria for a long time and I loved it. Then after listening to those darn tutorials I went out and got Zaan grothdar and ilambris. These sets, in my newbie opinion anyway, seem very impractical for things like vet dungeons. the tanks are kiting bosses while I am dodging bad and all that good stuff. Skoria will hit 100 percent of the time while these other sets will likely miss half their procs.

So, am I just bad or is my assessment correct?

Are there any other magicka sets I'm missing?

Thank you in advance

LeHarrt91 · June 2019

Zaan and Ilambris are good in stationary fights, its generally best to have all 3 on you and switch things up when needed.

washbern · June 2019

What about slimecraw

LeHarrt91 · June 2019

washbern wrote: »

What about slimecraw

Yes that is an option too if your class doesnt have it as a buff or the healer isnt using Combat Prayer.

disintegr8 · June 2019

I'd also say that the tank should be keeping the boss as stationary as possible, not 'kiting' them around. The boss will move around a lot more if the tank doesn't block his heavy attacks as the tank will be knocked away and the boss will follow.

I think it is the difference between good and bad tanks.

idk · June 2019

washbern wrote: »

What about slimecraw

In a group where it matters the healer will be using CP so this set is not good.

The other sets mentioned all have their use though I would use Sloria over Ilambris unless you are doing both fire and shock damage. Zaan is first choice.

idk · June 2019

disintegr8 wrote: »

I'd also say that the tank should be keeping the boss as stationary as possible, not 'kiting' them around. The boss will move around a lot more if the tank doesn't block his heavy attacks as the tank will be knocked away and the boss will follow.

I think it is the difference between good and bad tanks.

There are fights that are not stack and burn. Targets change. Players have to move to avoid mechanics. AS final boss even at +0 is a good example. Toss in the rest and even more so.

Craglorn is the home of stack and burn but that changes with all the rest of the trials.

washbern · June 2019

thanks so much guys! i very recently started doing vet dungeons and man.... the bosses run around the room like crazy. I will try to stick with zaan if i can and just use scoria all other times.

WrathOfInnos · June 2019

washbern wrote: »

thanks so much guys! i very recently started doing vet dungeons and man.... the bosses run around the room like crazy. I will try to stick with zaan if i can and just use scoria all other times.

Sounds like a tank issue, Zaan should work on most bosses (just not Sunspire dragons). If you end up having to chase things that much then Slimecraw is probably your best bet. I doubt healers are keeping good Combat Prayer uptimes with that level of movement. I don’t find the damage from Skoria to be very good, but it’s useful if you need the extra health.

IonicKai · June 2019

Skoria is perfectly fine for dungeons especially if you need the health (tanks not wearing ebon for example). Grothdar is an add destroyer so for most dungeons it's super useful. Zaan is excellent in boss fights if you can keep close and ilambris is great if you have a source of lightning to go with fire like on a sorc. Much like what others have said there are other niche cases where things like slime craw work well and you could even work with a few others if you just pay attention to the 1 piece bonus. I think the only one not mentioned already is ice heart which has the same 1 piece bonus as zaan and grants a shield with a weak ice version of grothdar which can help survivability.

SirAndy · June 2019

My MagSorc uses the Infernal Guardian set. It procs with shield casts (and i use a lot of those) and is multi target but also works for single target (if there only is one target) in which case all the damage goes to just one target.

The set really only works if you recast shields frequently, but if you do it is very good. It consistently makes the top 5 on my damage parses.

disintegr8 · June 2019

idk wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I'd also say that the tank should be keeping the boss as stationary as possible, not 'kiting' them around. The boss will move around a lot more if the tank doesn't block his heavy attacks as the tank will be knocked away and the boss will follow.

I think it is the difference between good and bad tanks.

There are fights that are not stack and burn. Targets change. Players have to move to avoid mechanics. AS final boss even at +0 is a good example. Toss in the rest and even more so.

Craglorn is the home of stack and burn but that changes with all the rest of the trials.

Movement of trial bosses you are referring to is predictable, unpreventable and follows sequences. Once you run them a few times, you learn when is a good time to drop your AOE's. A bad tank will allow the boss to move around outside of this sequence, which is what I am really referring to.

The problem with proc sets is that you have very little to no control over when they proc. If it proc's just after the boss has moved to a spot, all good, but if it proc's just before they move, that's just bad luck.

wishlist14 · June 2019

Having to change sets because they are situational is ridiculous imo. Try doing that in a pug trial. Also it takes a lot of experience to know in advance what fights require you to wear which monster sets 😐😐😐😐

IonicKai · June 2019

Generally good sets depend on what content you are doing and what class you are. If you are a sorc and don't want to fuss then always use ilambris. If you are other mag classes then grothdar/ zaan is usually best even if the boss isn't always getting hit by the proc (though you should try to be in range as much as you can) because the 1 piece bonus is really strong and if you hit with the proc it's very strong.

Runefang · June 2019

wishlist14 wrote: »

Having to change sets because they are situational is ridiculous imo. Try doing that in a pug trial. Also it takes a lot of experience to know in advance what fights require you to wear which monster sets 😐😐😐😐

Not really:
2 of Zaan/Iceheart/Slimecraw - If you are ranged and you will get combat prayer
Slimecraw - If you won't get combat prayer (generally in pugs)
Zaan - If you can be melee range and the boss doesn't move
Grothdarr - Trash

If I was starting out I'd get the monster sets in the above order since the first combination is really good for all situations.

washbern · June 2019

Yeah. That's my problem. I pug all the time. So more often then not, either I am face tanking the boss, the tank is collecting frequent flyer miles or is running away from the boss. I'll give slimecraw a try as well as the infernal guardian. That one sounds fun.

WrathOfInnos · June 2019

washbern wrote: »

Yeah. That's my problem. I pug all the time. So more often then not, either I am face tanking the boss, the tank is collecting frequent flyer miles or is running away from the boss. I'll give slimecraw a try as well as the infernal guardian. That one sounds fun.

While I wouldn’t say it’s the most effective, Guardian can definitely be fun. I recommend using it with an Infused trait weapon and a Hardening glyph. That will make IG proc all the time without you having to cast shields.

I’ve used it fairly successfully in vCR as a sphere/creeper killer. And used to run it for trash in vHoF (good AoE without having to be in range for Grothdarr).

SirAndy · June 2019

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I recommend using it with an Infused trait weapon and a Hardening glyph. That will make IG proc all the time without you having to cast shields.

@WrathOfInnos

I have tried that and it never really worked well for me. The proc rate off the infused weapon with a hardening glyph somehow wasn't nearly as good as the Sorc shield cast proc rate.

Noldornir · June 2019

washbern wrote: »

the tanks are kiting bosses

That's your REAL problem.

That should NEVER happen unless tank is dodging an AoE/some particular mechanic.

If you pug consider this:

Is tank any good? (you realize after 1 boss)

if yes= using zaan/ilambris (the former if you are standing near boss as well the latter if u far away) will probably give you better DPS

if no= using valkyn would be better 'cause your meteor will follow target hit n then ready for next one.

on 1 80% basis you WON'T find good tanks only "fake" ones (DDs strong enough that they NOT need a tank but they are not taunting/correctly placing boss and NEED to kite a lot while fighting)

MooseKnuckles88 · June 2019

If you have an amazing tank that can keep the boss still for most of the fight then zaans should be good enough. If you're sorta squishy and constantly moving and need more AoE damage then Skoria is better, and the health bonus is never a bad thing. Ilambris is a good option too.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2019

Yeah, if your “tank” is kiting bosses in vet dungeons, your tank is likely a DPS with a taunt to jump the queue, which is a bit unfortunate (but not uncommon). In that scenario, your best bet is probably skoria (it’s really the jack of all trades mag DPS monster set). I have no issue with Zaan (generally best single target) in just about any vet dungeon as long as my tank is good. Iceheart is generally your best for defense (great for progression runs), and grothdar is generally your best for AOE. Domihaus, ilambris, and maw are also all situationally useful depending on the fight and your class. I am running domihaus on my mag sorc in VSS and it’s great. Another strong option these days is to run two different 1 piece crit sets.

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

disintegr8 wrote: »

I'd also say that the tank should be keeping the boss as stationary as possible, not 'kiting' them around. The boss will move around a lot more if the tank doesn't block his heavy attacks as the tank will be knocked away and the boss will follow.

I think it is the difference between good and bad tanks.

Ever did any other content then base game dungeons?

OP, in addition to skoria, zaan and grothdar, you may take a look at iceheart. You lose only small piece of dps in comparison to skoria/grothdarr etc, like 1-1.5% but if you dodge AOE you have almost permanent shield on you (which also deals some aoe damage in close range). Also it allows you to drop harness magicka in majority of encounters and slot another dot or debuff. Personal elemental drain which you use on every add is amazing boost to dps and sustain.

satanio · June 2019

Maw of the infernal.

Evito · June 2019

Use crit/crit.

Jeremy · June 2019

washbern wrote: »

Hey guys!

So I was listening to some magicka tutorials on YouTube and one thing bothers me. I find that the monster sets they recommend are basically only good for a parsing dummy. I was using Skoria for a long time and I loved it. Then after listening to those darn tutorials I went out and got Zaan grothdar and ilambris. These sets, in my newbie opinion anyway, seem very impractical for things like vet dungeons. the tanks are kiting bosses while I am dodging bad and all that good stuff. Skoria will hit 100 percent of the time while these other sets will likely miss half their procs.

So, am I just bad or is my assessment correct?

Are there any other magicka sets I'm missing?

Thank you in advance

Sometimes Zaan can proc at inopportune times - like when you need to dodge or while the tank is moving boss etc. So while I prefer Zaan myself - I think your assessment is largely correct. Skoria is more consistent. But Zaan is more deadly.

pcar944 · July 2019

personally I LOVE Stormfist

it works in both PVE and PVP

it does good AOE damage and good single target damage

its easy to get

it looks cool

my most favorite Monster set however is Bloodspawn, its literally the best Monster set in the game on ANY character/class

you can also try using Slime Craw, Maw of Infernal, Shadowrend, Grothdar, or Ice Heart - these all work well in PVE and in PVP with Grothdar being more of magicka set while others can be used on Magicka or Stamina

one of these days I will make it a point to get my own Zaan, but for how hard it can be to get for some people, there are MUCH easier/better options

nicest straight AOE damage sets are Stormfist, Grothdar, Ice Heart, and Skoria

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2019

pcar944 wrote: »

personally I LOVE Stormfist

it works in both PVE and PVP

it does good AOE damage and good single target damage

its easy to get

it looks cool

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Please help with Monster set for magicka dps

my most favorite Monster set however is Bloodspawn, its literally the best Monster set in the game on ANY character/class

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Please help with Monster set for magicka dps