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The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players
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Miriel✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I can't even begin to address the lunacy of this statement, but I'll try.Yes, I would say if the campaign you are playing in is never pop-capped and people are able to swap at will (which is what pro-lock people seem to be parroting), the campaign is dead, or, at the least, unhealthy because not enough people are around to fill the server.
Firstly, what you are saying is not what is being claimed. The person is complaining about the population levels outside of prime time. He never said they are never full. Secondly, the idea that something is either full, or else it is "dead" is just absurd. If you walk into a movie theatre, restaurant or a sports arena, and there are two seats free (in the slowest part of the day, yet) would you say that business is "dead"?
Futhermore, if you plan capacity so that things are full during the slowest hours, then during the prime hours you will be turning people away.
Let me give you some advice - don't start a business.
The entire point of this whole thread is faction locking. My statement is in regards to faction locking. Faction lockers are claiming that people are swapping factions at will. That is literally the argument for faction locking, people are "cheating" because they aren't roleplaying a particular faction and playing by the "rules" implemented by a specific segment of the community. My point is, this flipping back and forth cannot happen in pop-locked campaigns. You are trying to make this more than it is by nitpicking at my word choices, rather than actually disproving my point.
But, if you want to follow your own advice, faction hopping can only happen outside of primetime. Right? Since that is the time that the campaigns are not pop-locked according to your comment here. So, if that is the case, and following your own advice about not planning capacity around the slowest hours, maybe we shouldn't be planning faction locks around underpopulated hours....
If you would take the time to actually provide an argument rather than attacking my mentality, you would probably get somewhere in this argument.
I and alot more people want faction locks, ZOS is adding this feature, like it was in the beginning... Now they also have campaigns that dosent have faction locks... Here is what i think this fuzz is about, you guys that dont want faction locks realice there wont be people playing on servers without faction locks, simply couse people never wanted to... so now you guys try to force your way of playing on the wast majority...
Again people will have both options to play as they like, but keep forcing people to play with feature they dont like will just keep resulting in more and more people leaving pvp
Actually, myself and others who oppose this realize that the current campaigns are already unhealthy enough as it is population wise. And further dividing the PVP population for roleplaying is just going to make it worse. It's great that Vivec is pop-locked at primetime on live now. Once this all goes live, I would be shocked if a campaign is ever pop-locked again, outside of PVP specific events. You may like to gate camp opposing factions and call it "winning" the campaign, I personally prefer to actually PVP in a PVP zone.
Again, thats not a reason to force players, that absolutly dont want to fight with faction hoppers... we are and have been loosing players couse of faction hoppers, iwe been considering to leave myself, only reason i resubbed is couse of faction lock...
So again, alow me to play as i want, then you can play on your camapign as you want, i dont care...
and this is the problem you say your entitle to your way of playing, without any regard to what others want... Thats like saying, i want to pvp, but there is not enough pvpers, so lets force all pvers, do you know how well that will end ?
Again, we dont want to play with faction hopppers, get it ?Edited by Miriel on 16 May 2019 19:401 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »Haashhtaag wrote: »I have a feeling the population will decrease too but that remains to be seen. I'm willing to accept that consequence in exchange for locks though.
What you want is an entire map red and a 20k alliance war victory. You don’t want a challenge....you want easy routes that’s why you do what your guild does.
What I want is to win, by any means necessary. If that means blowing my competition out of the water, then so be it. It's up to my opponents to challenge me, and I welcome them to do so.
What’s the point of winning without competition....[snip]
yes whats the point in winning unless you fight for something ?
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 12 January 2025 18:471 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I can't even begin to address the lunacy of this statement, but I'll try.Yes, I would say if the campaign you are playing in is never pop-capped and people are able to swap at will (which is what pro-lock people seem to be parroting), the campaign is dead, or, at the least, unhealthy because not enough people are around to fill the server.
Firstly, what you are saying is not what is being claimed. The person is complaining about the population levels outside of prime time. He never said they are never full. Secondly, the idea that something is either full, or else it is "dead" is just absurd. If you walk into a movie theatre, restaurant or a sports arena, and there are two seats free (in the slowest part of the day, yet) would you say that business is "dead"?
Futhermore, if you plan capacity so that things are full during the slowest hours, then during the prime hours you will be turning people away.
Let me give you some advice - don't start a business.
The entire point of this whole thread is faction locking. My statement is in regards to faction locking. Faction lockers are claiming that people are swapping factions at will. That is literally the argument for faction locking, people are "cheating" because they aren't roleplaying a particular faction and playing by the "rules" implemented by a specific segment of the community. My point is, this flipping back and forth cannot happen in pop-locked campaigns. You are trying to make this more than it is by nitpicking at my word choices, rather than actually disproving my point.
But, if you want to follow your own advice, faction hopping can only happen outside of primetime. Right? Since that is the time that the campaigns are not pop-locked according to your comment here. So, if that is the case, and following your own advice about not planning capacity around the slowest hours, maybe we shouldn't be planning faction locks around underpopulated hours....
If you would take the time to actually provide an argument rather than attacking my mentality, you would probably get somewhere in this argument.
I and alot more people want faction locks, ZOS is adding this feature, like it was in the beginning... Now they also have campaigns that dosent have faction locks... Here is what i think this fuzz is about, you guys that dont want faction locks realice there wont be people playing on servers without faction locks, simply couse people never wanted to... so now you guys try to force your way of playing on the wast majority...
Again people will have both options to play as they like, but keep forcing people to play with feature they dont like will just keep resulting in more and more people leaving pvp
Actually, myself and others who oppose this realize that the current campaigns are already unhealthy enough as it is population wise. And further dividing the PVP population for roleplaying is just going to make it worse. It's great that Vivec is pop-locked at primetime on live now. Once this all goes live, I would be shocked if a campaign is ever pop-locked again, outside of PVP specific events. You may like to gate camp opposing factions and call it "winning" the campaign, I personally prefer to actually PVP in a PVP zone.
Vivec will remain pop locked and people will sit in long queues because it’s the main campaign. It’s the way it was when faction locks existed prior and all other campaigns were dead or dedicated to a certain faction.
no one forces you to play on a server with pop lock, take all those imaginary people that want faction hopping and play on a campaign that isnt faction locked, oh right, there is bascially no one that want to play that way...Edited by Miriel on 16 May 2019 19:431 -
Ahtu✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »Haashhtaag wrote: »I have a feeling the population will decrease too but that remains to be seen. I'm willing to accept that consequence in exchange for locks though.
What you want is an entire map red and a 20k alliance war victory. You don’t want a challenge....you want easy routes that’s why you do what your guild does.
What I want is to win, by any means necessary. If that means blowing my competition out of the water, then so be it. It's up to my opponents to challenge me, and I welcome them to do so.
What’s the point of winning without competition....[snip]
yes whats the point in winning unless you fight for something ?
The point is to make it known that EP is undisputedly the best, most dominant faction in the game.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 12 January 2025 18:482 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »Haashhtaag wrote: »I have a feeling the population will decrease too but that remains to be seen. I'm willing to accept that consequence in exchange for locks though.
What you want is an entire map red and a 20k alliance war victory. You don’t want a challenge....you want easy routes that’s why you do what your guild does.
What I want is to win, by any means necessary. If that means blowing my competition out of the water, then so be it. It's up to my opponents to challenge me, and I welcome them to do so.
What’s the point of winning without competition....[snip]
yes whats the point in winning unless you fight for something ?
The point is to make it known that EP is undisputedly the best faction.
hehe, i dont agree, iwe been AD since beta, so... while i repsect alot of ep, i have to say no... AD is offcourse the best faction... glory to the Queen !
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 12 January 2025 18:481 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »Haashhtaag wrote: »I have a feeling the population will decrease too but that remains to be seen. I'm willing to accept that consequence in exchange for locks though.
What you want is an entire map red and a 20k alliance war victory. You don’t want a challenge....you want easy routes that’s why you do what your guild does.
What I want is to win, by any means necessary. If that means blowing my competition out of the water, then so be it. It's up to my opponents to challenge me, and I welcome them to do so.
What’s the point of winning without competition....[snip]
yes whats the point in winning unless you fight for something ?
The point is to make it known that EP is undisputedly the best, most dominant faction in the game.
I always thought the point was to have fun. Go figure.
You'd better encourage all your "off peak" friends to choose EP then. What you do prime time is to merely battle, the real war is won when the yanks are all sleeping, and that's when any "baked-in" faction lock will impact. Not prime time. That's merely a sideshow.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 12 January 2025 18:492 -
Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭
What you do prime time is to merely battle, the real war is won when the yanks are all sleeping, and that's when any "baked-in" faction lock will impact. Not prime time. That's merely a sideshow.
What happens during this time is something that neither faction locking nor faction hopping have, can, or will fix. That is a separate issue that hopefully ZOS will address by other means. As it is now you are correct, but it has been that way for the last year plus as well with faction hopping going on. It's a moot point for this conversation and another topic all together.0 -
Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
✭Haashhtaag wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I can't even begin to address the lunacy of this statement, but I'll try.Yes, I would say if the campaign you are playing in is never pop-capped and people are able to swap at will (which is what pro-lock people seem to be parroting), the campaign is dead, or, at the least, unhealthy because not enough people are around to fill the server.
Firstly, what you are saying is not what is being claimed. The person is complaining about the population levels outside of prime time. He never said they are never full. Secondly, the idea that something is either full, or else it is "dead" is just absurd. If you walk into a movie theatre, restaurant or a sports arena, and there are two seats free (in the slowest part of the day, yet) would you say that business is "dead"?
Futhermore, if you plan capacity so that things are full during the slowest hours, then during the prime hours you will be turning people away.
Let me give you some advice - don't start a business.
The entire point of this whole thread is faction locking. My statement is in regards to faction locking. Faction lockers are claiming that people are swapping factions at will. That is literally the argument for faction locking, people are "cheating" because they aren't roleplaying a particular faction and playing by the "rules" implemented by a specific segment of the community. My point is, this flipping back and forth cannot happen in pop-locked campaigns. You are trying to make this more than it is by nitpicking at my word choices, rather than actually disproving my point.
But, if you want to follow your own advice, faction hopping can only happen outside of primetime. Right? Since that is the time that the campaigns are not pop-locked according to your comment here. So, if that is the case, and following your own advice about not planning capacity around the slowest hours, maybe we shouldn't be planning faction locks around underpopulated hours....
If you would take the time to actually provide an argument rather than attacking my mentality, you would probably get somewhere in this argument.
I and alot more people want faction locks, ZOS is adding this feature, like it was in the beginning... Now they also have campaigns that dosent have faction locks... Here is what i think this fuzz is about, you guys that dont want faction locks realice there wont be people playing on servers without faction locks, simply couse people never wanted to... so now you guys try to force your way of playing on the wast majority...
Again people will have both options to play as they like, but keep forcing people to play with feature they dont like will just keep resulting in more and more people leaving pvp
Actually, myself and others who oppose this realize that the current campaigns are already unhealthy enough as it is population wise. And further dividing the PVP population for roleplaying is just going to make it worse. It's great that Vivec is pop-locked at primetime on live now. Once this all goes live, I would be shocked if a campaign is ever pop-locked again, outside of PVP specific events. You may like to gate camp opposing factions and call it "winning" the campaign, I personally prefer to actually PVP in a PVP zone.
Vivec will remain pop locked and people will sit in long queues because it’s the main campaign. It’s the way it was when faction locks existed prior and all other campaigns were dead or dedicated to a certain faction.
no one forces you to play on a server with pop lock, take all those imaginary people that want faction hopping and play on a campaign that isnt faction locked, oh right, there is bascially no one that want to play that way...
Yeah just let me go to shor and not fight anything. Sounds logical.1 -
Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
✭Haashhtaag wrote: »Haashhtaag wrote: »I have a feeling the population will decrease too but that remains to be seen. I'm willing to accept that consequence in exchange for locks though.
What you want is an entire map red and a 20k alliance war victory. You don’t want a challenge....you want easy routes that’s why you do what your guild does.
What I want is to win, by any means necessary. If that means blowing my competition out of the water, then so be it. It's up to my opponents to challenge me, and I welcome them to do so.
What’s the point of winning without competition....[snip]
yes whats the point in winning unless you fight for something ?
The point is to make it known that EP is undisputedly the best, most dominant faction in the game.
Most players in off hours doesn’t meant best.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 12 January 2025 18:493 -
Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
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What you do prime time is to merely battle, the real war is won when the yanks are all sleeping, and that's when any "baked-in" faction lock will impact. Not prime time. That's merely a sideshow.
What happens during this time is something that neither faction locking nor faction hopping have, can, or will fix. That is a separate issue that hopefully ZOS will address by other means. As it is now you are correct, but it has been that way for the last year plus as well with faction hopping going on. It's a moot point for this conversation and another topic all together.
Faction locking makes night capping and etc easier for whichever faction had the most2 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If only this game were made by developers that were able to articulate their vision for Cyrodiil clearly. Then we wouldn't have to constantly bicker about how the game is supposed to be.0 -
Ahtu✭✭✭✭What if faction locks actually increased population in Vivec, attracting PvE players who would not otherwise enter Cyrodiil? If you think about it, if one faction dominatesn then PvE players could be drawn to that faction to PvDoor keeps, creating an overflow of players to the non-faction locked campaigns? The argument that other servers are dead could be null if we see increased populations after faction locks are in place.
Also, the defeated faction's player base might migrate to other campaigns.Edited by Ahtu on 17 May 2019 14:410 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What if faction locks actually increased population in Vivec, attracting PvE players who would not otherwise enter Cyrodiil? If you think about it, if one faction dominatesn then PvE players could be drawn to that faction to PvDoor keeps, creating an overflow of players to the non-faction locked campaigns? The argument that other servers are dead could be null if we see increased populations after faction locks are in place.
Also, the defeated faction's player base might migrate to other campaigns.
You see... we've been here before. They do migrate to other campaigns, but not to fight. We used to have campaigns that were yellow, blue or red. Other than a few masochists who like fighting against odds massively stacked against them, those campaigns were dead of actual PVP.
You aren't the first wannabe zerglord that has had a goal of killing a campaign by making it permanently one color. Some have succeeded, and then they get bored and their guild disintegrates for lack of anything to do when the excitement for the night is, "Quick! Some PVE'er trying to get caltrops just flipped a resource!"5 -
Ahtu✭✭✭✭If and when we ever win in Vivec we will be going to other campaigns to win there as well. I won't be satisfied until all campaigns are under EP control.Edited by Ahtu on 17 May 2019 15:140
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Ahtu✭✭✭✭The point is that most players are afraid of conflict which keeps them from PVPing. If we can end the conflict in Cyrodiil and keep it that way, more players would flock to PvP. They might even have to add more servers again.
See this thread on why most players hate PVP:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/474358/hate-for-pvp#latestEdited by Ahtu on 17 May 2019 15:290 -
Crispen_Longbow✭✭✭✭✭The point is that most players are afraid of conflict which keeps them from PVPing. If we can end the conflict in Cyrodiil and keep it that way, more players would flock to PvP. They might even have to add more servers again.
See this thread on why most players hate PVP:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/474358/hate-for-pvp#latest
"The point is that Army of the Pact "AP" players are afraid of conflict which keeps them from PVPing." -> Fixed that for you.
Crispen Longbow - Daggerfall Covenant (DC): NB - Rank:50 (NA/PC) - RIP (Blue VE, Khole, LoM, MO)
Crispen Longboww - Aldmeri Dominion (AD): NB - Rank:50 (NA/PC) - Crispen's House of Pain RIP (KP, Yellow VE, Omni)
Crispen Longbow-EP - Ebonheart Pact (EP): NB - Rank:50 (NA/PC) - RIP (Red VE)3 -
Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »
What you do prime time is to merely battle, the real war is won when the yanks are all sleeping, and that's when any "baked-in" faction lock will impact. Not prime time. That's merely a sideshow.
What happens during this time is something that neither faction locking nor faction hopping have, can, or will fix. That is a separate issue that hopefully ZOS will address by other means. As it is now you are correct, but it has been that way for the last year plus as well with faction hopping going on. It's a moot point for this conversation and another topic all together.
Faction locking makes night capping and etc easier for whichever faction had the most
It's already so easy to do right now with faction swapping that making it any easier is irrelevant. Night capping is another issue that needs another remedy. Faction hopping, faction locking, neither is the cure for Night capping. If anyone thinks one way or the other deters that they are mistaken.
Faction locking is the first step to creating a legitimate AvAvA large scale PvP atmosphere, not the last. If this is all ZOS intends to do, and I have no idea what their vision for Cyrodiil is, then in and of itself it will not accomplish much. If, however, they are trying to create one of the best AvAvA large scale PvP atmospheres in the genre then this is a great first step in that direction.3 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The point is that most players are afraid of conflict which keeps them from PVPing. If we can end the conflict in Cyrodiil and keep it that way, more players would flock to PvP. They might even have to add more servers again.
See this thread on why most players hate PVP:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/474358/hate-for-pvp#latest
This is by far I think the worst thing I've read by a faction loyalist so far.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
PC/NA Server
Fairweather Friends
Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.4 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭If and when we ever win in Vivec we will be going to other campaigns to win there as well. I won't be satisfied until all campaigns are under EP control.
You have a pretty toxic mindset, this isn’t fun for anyone. There was a time where I would be glad to be gated so I can farm players for ap but now I could careless and rather have multiple options and locations to fight at.
Painting a map one color just dwindles the pop, this mindset is what introduced buff campaigns. You don’t want competition, it sounds like you want to steamroll a map with pseudo alliance pride.
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Ahtu✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »The point is that most players are afraid of conflict which keeps them from PVPing. If we can end the conflict in Cyrodiil and keep it that way, more players would flock to PvP. They might even have to add more servers again.
See this thread on why most players hate PVP:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/474358/hate-for-pvp#latest
This is by far I think the worst thing I've read by a faction loyalist so far.
I hope I'm wrong but that's where I see it going at this point.0 -
Elong✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »The point is that most players are afraid of conflict which keeps them from PVPing. If we can end the conflict in Cyrodiil and keep it that way, more players would flock to PvP. They might even have to add more servers again.
See this thread on why most players hate PVP:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/474358/hate-for-pvp#latest
This is by far I think the worst thing I've read by a faction loyalist so far.
I hope I'm wrong but that's where I see it going at this point.
There wont be PVP if that's happens though.4 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The point is that most players are afraid of conflict which keeps them from PVPing. If we can end the conflict in Cyrodiil and keep it that way, more players would flock to PvP. They might even have to add more servers again.
See this thread on why most players hate PVP:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/474358/hate-for-pvp#latest
If your not fighting other players, then it's not "player vs player". Smh"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard4 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
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What you do prime time is to merely battle, the real war is won when the yanks are all sleeping, and that's when any "baked-in" faction lock will impact. Not prime time. That's merely a sideshow.
What happens during this time is something that neither faction locking nor faction hopping have, can, or will fix. That is a separate issue that hopefully ZOS will address by other means. As it is now you are correct, but it has been that way for the last year plus as well with faction hopping going on. It's a moot point for this conversation and another topic all together.
You haven't thought this through.
It's not, because that's when faction locking will impact the most, and any population imbalance will be irreversible for min. 30 days.
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Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭
What you do prime time is to merely battle, the real war is won when the yanks are all sleeping, and that's when any "baked-in" faction lock will impact. Not prime time. That's merely a sideshow.
What happens during this time is something that neither faction locking nor faction hopping have, can, or will fix. That is a separate issue that hopefully ZOS will address by other means. As it is now you are correct, but it has been that way for the last year plus as well with faction hopping going on. It's a moot point for this conversation and another topic all together.
You haven't thought this through.
It's not, because that's when faction locking will impact the most, and any population imbalance will be irreversible for min. 30 days.
And what kind of population imbalance have we had for the last 2 years or whatever it's been during this time of day with the ability in place to faction swap? People have proven for far too long that given the chance to swap and balance populations they won't. AP comes much easier all teaming up on one faction and breaking down doors so this is what the majority does. People have had the opportunity to balance things out on their own and have refused to do so. Faction swapping does not achieve balance, and during the second half of a campaign it actually makes it worse. As the losing factions become deemed unwinnable the faction hoppers from those factions start piling on even more to the winning faction.
There are many things wrong with the scoring system and how AP is gained that get magnified during lower population time frames, but those issues are issues unto themselves. They need to be looked at on their own. Maybe with faction locks the underdog bonus, and low population bonus may actually come more into play. That will have to be watched as well. Guilds may also after 3 or 4 cycles of being bored not fighting anyone decide to swap factions for 30 days as well. Faction locking may encourage more large scale swapping at the end of campaigns vs relying on micro-sized small scale swapping throughout a single campaign. We will know soon enough.2 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
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What you do prime time is to merely battle, the real war is won when the yanks are all sleeping, and that's when any "baked-in" faction lock will impact. Not prime time. That's merely a sideshow.
What happens during this time is something that neither faction locking nor faction hopping have, can, or will fix. That is a separate issue that hopefully ZOS will address by other means. As it is now you are correct, but it has been that way for the last year plus as well with faction hopping going on. It's a moot point for this conversation and another topic all together.
You haven't thought this through.
It's not, because that's when faction locking will impact the most, and any population imbalance will be irreversible for min. 30 days.
And what kind of population imbalance have we had for the last 2 years or whatever it's been during this time of day with the ability in place to faction swap? People have proven for far too long that given the chance to swap and balance populations they won't. AP comes much easier all teaming up on one faction and breaking down doors so this is what the majority does. People have had the opportunity to balance things out on their own and have refused to do so. Faction swapping does not achieve balance, and during the second half of a campaign it actually makes it worse. As the losing factions become deemed unwinnable the faction hoppers from those factions start piling on even more to the winning faction.
There are many things wrong with the scoring system and how AP is gained that get magnified during lower population time frames, but those issues are issues unto themselves. They need to be looked at on their own. Maybe with faction locks the underdog bonus, and low population bonus may actually come more into play. That will have to be watched as well. Guilds may also after 3 or 4 cycles of being bored not fighting anyone decide to swap factions for 30 days as well. Faction locking may encourage more large scale swapping at the end of campaigns vs relying on micro-sized small scale swapping throughout a single campaign. We will know soon enough.
A lot of "maybes" and "may also" in there. Your response tells me you're another one who doesn't understand the problem.1 -
Enkil✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just have to let it happen with them locking what they lock, then give feedback after... did they lock the wrong ones? (Maybe/prob yes)? These devs do what they want and only fix things reactively after and only if it’s become an issue that they think warrants their attention.
Faction lock advocates like myself wanted a new short 7-day faction locked campaign... Devs chose to lock both of the main 30-day campaigns, but NOT any short ones without any comment. It’s it’s not right.. Speak out vocally!!!
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The point is that most players are afraid of conflict which keeps them from PVPing. If we can end the conflict in Cyrodiil and keep it that way, more players would flock to PvP. They might even have to add more servers again.
That's not PVP, hon. There are dozens of non-pvp regions for people who don't like pvp to explore in comfort and safety.
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MipMip✭✭✭✭If anything, this is clearly just making more players bitter about the state of PvP and will result in more perceived griefing...
The "known faction hopper" generally play EP, wouldn't they still be able to do this anyway?
Not as easilly, they will have to change campaigns at end of them, every 30 days... or grind up a entire new account, get hundreds of cps, find all those sets etc,get all skill popints, unless they go and buy a account, wich would then jepordice their account etc...
ANd have all their friends willing to do this, in a ageing MMO... its alot of work, i honestly dont see it, unless for the most die hard trolololo
Sorry to burst your bubble:- It's both wildly easy and cheap to create a second account and get it to level 10. From there, it would be equally as easy to 1) buy oils/whatever; 2) send them to your alt account; 3) use those to do what people are complaining about. You literally only have to be level 10 to do things like this (see the level 30 NBs chaining people off bridges)
- People are being toxic towards faction swappers (for years). When someone on EP is toxic towards a person who plays EP and DC, these faction locks will either result in a) that multi-faction player to go DC, thus weakening the EP claim that they're so driven to accomplishing; or b) that multi-faction player goes to EP, remembers the toxic faction loyalist, and encounters disincentives to help said EP loyalist, thus weakening EP claims.
This is already seen: in this thread loyalists are calling out multi-faction players for refusing to help them achieve their faction goals. Why would these players want to help someone who is clearly harboring animosity towards them?
I guess im wrong then, and there is no problems, peopel can still faction hop easilly... then whys the fuss ?
Because your argument is that it'll stop griefing, and in reality my point shows that all it will do is stop real PvP while still allowing griefing easily.
Exactly. Faction lock does nothing to stop people who like to grief from griefing, but it does make finding good fights more difficult and playing with your friends more difficult / impossible and so makes ESO PvP much less attractive for many players.
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