The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

poietin

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

It’s just the fact you can’t accept that you’re wrong and was wrong, it’s okay to be wrong.

Thanks. I'm glad to know it's OK with you.

Wait... what was I wrong about?

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cyrodiil will be Cyrodiil. One faction ends up dominating, people will play the 30 day and there will always be trolls. It’s that simple.

Ahhh, the old "Can't win, don't try" argument. Let me know when you have something worth discussing.

Your zealot for faction lock is preventing you to see what is so plainly stated and repeated many times by many people, that faction lock will result in 1 faction (EP) dominating and that it will not prevent people trolling or spying. The reality is that it is a poorly and hastily implemented policy and many people are unhappy with it. However, zealous faction RPers like to dismiss these complaints. Faction loyalists zealous complaints on the forum are what lead ZOS to implement faction lock in the first place. If you want to RP as a faction loyalist, then I want to RP as a faction swapper. I pay the same sub as you, I don't see why not.

Haashhtaag

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

Ghostbane

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

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Tsuriel

Simple: I just rerolled EP until the faction lock is removed and/or faction imbalance fixed. Soon enough. Hopefully more won't take my route and risk clogging the EP queue in due time.

Mr_Walker

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You really think players organized a whole rebellion against faction lock ? You’re giving away way too much credit to something that’s been inherently disorganized.

No organization about it. They came on the forums and predicted it would happen; now they are taking actions to make sure their predictions come true.

2 things at play here.

1) The forum is a vanishingly small subset of the player base of any game.
2) Have you ever actually tried to organise anything in PvP? Even something as simple as "hit N wall Alessia" is like herding cats, but somehow, they've all come together in this common cause to make you look silly. Yeah....

Mr_Walker

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

Impossible, faction locks stopped this.

bulbousb16_ESO

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

Impossible, faction locks stopped this.

Hey, why do we have police? There's always going to be crime, so why waste our money?

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Dutchessx

At least you all who play CP campaigns have a choice, no cp has no other server.

#UnlockNoCP #OpenAnotherNoCPServer

Haashhtaag

Dutchessx wrote: »

At least you all who play CP campaigns have a choice, no cp has no other server.

#UnlockNoCP #OpenAnotherNoCPServer

We don’t though, shor is dead. 97% of the time and if it’s not dead it’s literally 1 raid or 2 PvDooring

Dutchessx

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

Oh Noooo.....I thought faction locks were suppose to save us from this!?
I jest.

Dutchessx

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dutchessx wrote: »

At least you all who play CP campaigns have a choice, no cp has no other server.

#UnlockNoCP #OpenAnotherNoCPServer

We don’t though, shor is dead. 97% of the time and if it’s not dead it’s literally 1 raid or 2 PvDooring

In my humble opinion, then maybe instead of waiting in que some guilds should home there? But, that is just my opinion and I don’t have a guild and I don’t play cp so... just saying.

I would like an option at least for us to try it on.
Better yet just reverse faction locks!

Rakno87

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

bulbousb16_ESO

Rakno87 wrote: »

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

Until we get successfully get locks on all campaigns.

Dutchessx

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Rakno87 wrote: »

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

Until we get successfully get locks on all campaigns.

You know... seriously honest here. I understand people want to be faction loyal, I get it. The people who are for faction locks got what they wanted. Both 30 day servers are locked down. You seem to still have the same issues you had before.

Haashhtaag wrote: »

So I hear some AD on the 30day camp dunked the scroll this evening....thought faction locks were going to solve that?

You still have trolls who dunk scrolls.

You also still have ques.

It sounds like EP is faction dominant across servers (correct me if I am wrong).

So now you want it everywhere? Why? Do you really want people NOT to play with friends isn’t that why we play a MMO? To play with other people? Seriously. Enjoy what you have and be grateful for it. The rest of the people either could careless about it or just want to play with their friends and find good fights. [snip] Or what? Why ruin gameplay for everyone else when you can just join a faction loyal guild and live happily ever after?

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bulbousb16_ESO

Dutchessx wrote: »

So now you want it everywhere? Why? Do you really want people NOT to play with friends isn’t that why we play a MMO? To play with other people? Seriously. Enjoy what you have and be grateful for it. The rest of the people either could careless about it or just want to play with their friends and find good fights.

Your shortening of the acronym is telling. This is an MMORPG. If you are ignoring the RPG aspect of it completely, then you are not a good game citizen. I understand how you want to play, but this is not the game for it. There are plenty of other MMOs that have PvP that aren't RPGs - sounds like you would be more at home on one of those?

Dutchessx

Rakno87 wrote: »

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

Show me where the 7 day No CP server is and I will home it.

#FreeNoCP

Dutchessx

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Dutchessx wrote: »

So now you want it everywhere? Why? Do you really want people NOT to play with friends isn’t that why we play a MMO? To play with other people? Seriously. Enjoy what you have and be grateful for it. The rest of the people either could careless about it or just want to play with their friends and find good fights.

Your shortening of the acronym is telling. This is an MMORPG. If you are ignoring the RPG aspect of it completely, then you are not a good game citizen. I understand how you want to play, but this is not the game for it. There are plenty of other MMOs that have PvP that aren't RPGs - sounds like you would be more at home on one of those?

I play where I want how I want... until you pay me otherwise.

Also, how many stories about the game have you written? I honestly don’t know you may have dozens. Also, please describe to me your RP guild I am considering looking for one. Oh make sure it is Breton and EP. Otherwise, keep your opinions about me to yourself. Thank you.

#FreeNoCP

NBrookus

Dutchessx wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dutchessx wrote: »

At least you all who play CP campaigns have a choice, no cp has no other server.

#UnlockNoCP #OpenAnotherNoCPServer

We don’t though, shor is dead. 97% of the time and if it’s not dead it’s literally 1 raid or 2 PvDooring

In my humble opinion, then maybe instead of waiting in que some guilds should home there? But, that is just my opinion and I don’t have a guild and I don’t play cp so... just saying.

I would like an option at least for us to try it on.
Better yet just reverse faction locks!

EP has no prime time queue on neo-Vivec right now. People are still in Elsewyr. I assume AD and DC don't have queues either.

I tried to shore up (no pun intended) 7 day for a couple of years. For reasons that escape me, the only people who want to play on Shor now want to PvDoor or do the pve quests. If you go there alone, you can generally expect 12-15 yellows to chase you all over the map. If you take a veteran group of players there, you faceroll everything. It pisses off the pvdoor crowd and is boring for the visitors.

If you play during non-prime, there isn't even a pvdoor group to fight.

Dutchessx

NBrookus wrote: »

Dutchessx wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dutchessx wrote: »

At least you all who play CP campaigns have a choice, no cp has no other server.

#UnlockNoCP #OpenAnotherNoCPServer

We don’t though, shor is dead. 97% of the time and if it’s not dead it’s literally 1 raid or 2 PvDooring

In my humble opinion, then maybe instead of waiting in que some guilds should home there? But, that is just my opinion and I don’t have a guild and I don’t play cp so... just saying.

I would like an option at least for us to try it on.
Better yet just reverse faction locks!

EP has no prime time queue on neo-Vivec right now. People are still in Elsewyr. I assume AD and DC don't have queues either.

I tried to shore up (no pun intended) 7 day for a couple of years. For reasons that escape me, the only people who want to play on Shor now want to PvDoor or do the pve quests. If you go there alone, you can generally expect 12-15 yellows to chase you all over the map. If you take a veteran group of players there, you faceroll everything. It pisses off the pvdoor crowd and is boring for the visitors.

If you play during non-prime, there isn't even a pvdoor group to fight.

Fair enough, last time I was there I couldn’t stay connected to the server after getting through the que.

bulbousb16_ESO

NBrookus wrote: »

EP has no prime time queue on neo-Vivec right now. People are still in Elsewyr. I assume AD and DC don't have queues either.

On PC NA (as per your signature) Vivec doesn't exist anymore... so, yeah there is no queue. No one is waiting to get in to a campaign that is gone.

If you are talking about Kaalgrontiid, that campaign was population-locked for all factions last night from at least 7 PM EDT to Midnight (when the AD dropped down to three bars). In that time, the EP was on its heels. Until the DC and AD started a bloody battle over Roebeck that seemed to allow EP to recover and go back on the offensive.

poietin

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

EP has no prime time queue on neo-Vivec right now. People are still in Elsewyr. I assume AD and DC don't have queues either.

On PC NA (as per your signature) Vivec doesn't exist anymore... so, yeah there is no queue. No one is waiting to get in to a campaign that is gone.

If you are talking about Kaalgrontiid, that campaign was population-locked for all factions last night from at least 7 PM EDT to Midnight (when the AD dropped down to three bars). In that time, the EP was on its heels. Until the DC and AD started a bloody battle over Roebeck that seemed to allow EP to recover and go back on the offensive.

Dude do you really have nothing constructive to add but nitpick? he/she used the term neo-vivec because no one can be bothered to type out kaalgufsljtskfjsdf and everyone here understands what neo-vivec refers to.

bulbousb16_ESO

poietin wrote: »

everyone here understands what neo-vivec refers to.

No, I don't think they would; the way he described it was not the way it is in reality. As I said, it was totally pop-locked for at least 5 hours last night, so he must have been referring to something else.

Derra

Dutchessx wrote: »

Rakno87 wrote: »

Play on the 7 day campaigns problem solved! I don't see an issue here....

Show me where the 7 day No CP server is and I will home it.

#FreeNoCP

Show me the 7 day campaign that is populated and i might home that one.

As it stands 7 day campaigns hardly make any convincing argument because obviously people do not want to play there - for various reasons (the worse rewards - not that 30 day ones would be stellar - even though the 7 daycampaigns require more effort overall being one of them).

bulbousb16_ESO

Derra wrote: »

[As it stands 7 day campaigns hardly make any convincing argument because obviously people do not want to play there - for various reasons

Because they have no Faction Locks.

NBrookus

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

poietin wrote: »

everyone here understands what neo-vivec refers to.

No, I don't think they would; the way he described it was not the way it is in reality. As I said, it was totally pop-locked for at least 5 hours last night, so he must have been referring to something else.

Can it, Toosk. You knew what I was talking about and so did everyone else. I said it didn't have a queue on EP. It didn't. Pop-locked != queue.

bulbousb16_ESO

NBrookus wrote: »

Can it, Toosk. You knew what I was talking about and so did everyone else. I said it didn't have a queue on EP. It didn't. Pop-locked != queue.

What is this queue you speak of? You mean, that waiting period between when you join ANY campaign and then you are notified that you are "Entering Cyrodiil..."?

ks888

Alright I'm back from vaca and too much of the devil's nectar. Ready for more forum salt. Also hi @NirnStorm @ellahellabella @Elong @MipMip

MipMip

@ks888 good to have you back Norri Hoping to play together soon again in a populated non-faction locked campaign! (when hopefully ZOS will remove the current faction locks and introduce some better solution, of which many have been proposed here and in other threads)

InvictusApollo

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

[As it stands 7 day campaigns hardly make any convincing argument because obviously people do not want to play there - for various reasons

Because they have no Faction Locks.

Ha ha ha ha ah aha ha ha aha ha ahah
I... I just... I just can't read that guy.
It's like he never played in Cyrodill before the second faction lock. 7 day campaigns were almost allways dead whether faction lock was in effect or not.

By the way: is there a way to add a private note to other forum members, like on friends list in game? Just in case I forget how many fallacies this guy has made. So that I allways knew that his opinion is meaningless.

bulbousb16_ESO

InvictusApollo wrote: »

7 day campaigns were almost allways dead whether faction lock was in effect or not.

Allways?