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Why Does Incap Still Have Reave?
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My wishlist I suppose:- PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEAAASSSEEE EITHER BUFF SIPHONING STRIKES OR REVERT IT BACK TO PRE MORROWIND!!.
- Bring back purge cloak. But I guess the new heal cloak is more beneficial. Hmmm....
- MAKE IMPERIAL CITY GREAT AGAIN, BRING BACK THOSE INCREDIBLE DAYS. My best experiences in ESO where in there!
- Return Stam builds to the power we held in One Tamriel. Long Live Stamina builds!
- Put Magplar and MagDK into their place. Magpsorc is a hopeless case.
- Is there any chance that we could get an Ebonheart Pact nerf? #CullingTheHerds .
My 10 characters:- AD - xak-Morrowindx - Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. Hours: 107 days, 19 hours (2,568 hours).
- EP - Ich bin Groot - Orc Stamina Dragonknight. Hours: 2 days, 16 hours (64 hours).
- DC - Who Took My Bleach - Orc Stamina Sorcerer. Hours: 3 days, 18 hours. (90 hours).
- EP - Niada Zaennon - High Elf Magicka Nightblade. Hours: 15 days, 18 hours (378 hours).
- AD - Healsyournoobazzwithmemes - Argonian Magicka Templar. Hours: 1 day, 9 hours (33 hours)
- DC - Engulfing Traps - Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight. Hours: 7 days, 17 hours (129 hours).
- AD - Verführung - High Elf Magicka Sorcerer. Hours: 5 days, 9 hours (129 hours)
- DC - Deadazz catch these birds - Nord Stamina Warden. Hours: 6 days, 21 hours (165 hours)
- EP - So Bendy - Wood Elf Stamina Templar. Hours: 1 day, 15 hours (39 hours)
- EP - Smash that mf Like button - Breton Magicka Warden. Hours: 20 hours, 20 minutes.
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LMFAO don't you love when people post and don't even know how their class actually works? Siphoning strikes and their 15% passives along with at least 14% from CP is amazing sustain.2 -
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Good luck against brawler builds then. You'll need it.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.5 -
Xologamer✭✭✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »
LMFAO don't you love when people post and don't even know how their class actually works? Siphoning strikes and their 15% passives along with at least 14% from CP is amazing sustain.
dont know how my class works xd ? 55,5k dps^^ can post screenshoot if u dont belive, pleb
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✭✭✭Reave is there for PvE. Tanks and stamblade dps will benefit. It’s still a net nerf since relentless lost the sustain buff.
For pvp I don’t know why anyone would use incap. With the buff to dawnbreaker it’s the no brainer best choice.Edited by Iskiab on 14 May 2019 15:37Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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Murador178✭✭✭✭Title says it all. Stamblade does not need more sustain. Even in PvE it's unnecessary.
If Reave doesn't get moved to soul harvest you'll find most magblades going back to Incap if they weren't there already. Feel free to take the defile off. Magblade has enough ways to secure kills
This is like the most funny post I read in a while . Pretty sure most mag nb will curse u if that rly happens
If magblade has more than enough ways to secure a kill change one glyph to regen and u will get about 3 times the value of that passive in a normal PvP situation. So I trade passives any day between the 2 spells on my stamblade. Edited by Murador178 on 14 May 2019 22:572 -
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✭Title says it all. Stamblade does not need more sustain. Even in PvE it's unnecessary.
If Reave doesn't get moved to soul harvest you'll find most magblades going back to Incap if they weren't there already. Feel free to take the defile off. Magblade has enough ways to secure kills
Bruh wut? Nah they can keep reave. Magblade doesn’t need any more sustain buffs. There’s plenty of options for that. Killing potential is the name of the game
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Leeching Strike costs stamina to activate, so the return is less than you think it is.3 -
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✭It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!2 -
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✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »
Leeching Strike costs stamina to activate, so the return is less than you think it is.
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Blinkin8r✭✭✭✭✭Title says it all. Stamblade does not need more sustain. Even in PvE it's unnecessary.
If Reave doesn't get moved to soul harvest you'll find most magblades going back to Incap if they weren't there already. Feel free to take the defile off. Magblade has enough ways to secure kills
Reave as I understand it restores 100 mag and stam when dealing damage with a light or heavy attack against a player who has a negative effect on them.
First off, that's an incredibly negligible amount of resources. They removed minor endurance from grim focus and gave us this passive to slightly (and I mean very slightly) compensate.
You want reave moved to Soul Harvest? Lol, Soul harvest hits plenty hard and gives you a metric *** ton of ultimate just for being slotted. I think both morphs are in a good place and based on your build/setup each morph offers something strong.
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✭✭✭Title says it all. Stamblade does not need more sustain. Even in PvE it's unnecessary.
If Reave doesn't get moved to soul harvest you'll find most magblades going back to Incap if they weren't there already. Feel free to take the defile off. Magblade has enough ways to secure kills
Reave as I understand it restores 100 mag and stam when dealing damage with a light or heavy attack against a player who has a negative effect on them.
First off, that's an incredibly negligible amount of resources. They removed minor endurance from grim focus and gave us this passive to slightly (and I mean very slightly) compensate.
You want reave moved to Soul Harvest? Lol, Soul harvest hits plenty hard and gives you a metric *** ton of ultimate just for being slotted. I think both morphs are in a good place and based on your build/setup each morph offers something strong.
I’d argue Soul Harvest is way better.
If I was a stamblade I would drop incap for DB or Onslaught. The 100 sustain is for pve tanks, leave it on incap.Edited by Iskiab on 16 May 2019 20:41Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭Title says it all. Stamblade does not need more sustain. Even in PvE it's unnecessary.
If Reave doesn't get moved to soul harvest you'll find most magblades going back to Incap if they weren't there already. Feel free to take the defile off. Magblade has enough ways to secure kills
Reave as I understand it restores 100 mag and stam when dealing damage with a light or heavy attack against a player who has a negative effect on them.
First off, that's an incredibly negligible amount of resources. They removed minor endurance from grim focus and gave us this passive to slightly (and I mean very slightly) compensate.
You want reave moved to Soul Harvest? Lol, Soul harvest hits plenty hard and gives you a metric *** ton of ultimate just for being slotted. I think both morphs are in a good place and based on your build/setup each morph offers something strong.
I’d argue Soul Harvest is way better.
If I was a stamblade I would drop incap for DB or Onslaught. The 100 sustain is for pve tanks, leave it on incap.
100 ressources back on light attacks on one bar if u hit in PvP - thats like 50 regen max
Edit: Not even forgot those 50 regen would get bumped up by CP and other buffsEdited by Murador178 on 16 May 2019 23:430 -
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✭✭✭✭deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.0 -
Luede✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
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Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »Title says it all. Stamblade does not need more sustain. Even in PvE it's unnecessary.
If Reave doesn't get moved to soul harvest you'll find most magblades going back to Incap if they weren't there already. Feel free to take the defile off. Magblade has enough ways to secure kills
Reave as I understand it restores 100 mag and stam when dealing damage with a light or heavy attack against a player who has a negative effect on them.
First off, that's an incredibly negligible amount of resources. They removed minor endurance from grim focus and gave us this passive to slightly (and I mean very slightly) compensate.
You want reave moved to Soul Harvest? Lol, Soul harvest hits plenty hard and gives you a metric *** ton of ultimate just for being slotted. I think both morphs are in a good place and based on your build/setup each morph offers something strong.
I’d argue Soul Harvest is way better.
If I was a stamblade I would drop incap for DB or Onslaught. The 100 sustain is for pve tanks, leave it on incap.
100 ressources back on light attacks on one bar if u hit in PvP - thats like 50 regen max
Edit: Not even forgot those 50 regen would get bumped up by CP and other buffs
Actually 100 magicka AND stamina regen on light attakcs passively is huge deal. Especially magicka nightblades with destro staff weaving can make increadible use out of new incap. I dont know how people can overlook this, but its basically 200 mag AND stam regen passively on a perfectly weave.
I dont know bout your guys, but I'll abuse the *** out of that free regen. Probably noone here actually logged into the PTS and tested stuff, but the sustain with leeching strikes is absolutly phenominal.3 -
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✭I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
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✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
20% dmg buff < free immunity CC Timer
A damage buff that is higher than major berserk and stacks with other damage buffs is worse than giving CC immunity? These threads...
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Mag sorc and stam nbs got very good sustain ... dark deal + ele drain = godlike sustain - prob the easiest to sustain class in the game. I now alot of Msorc running base mag regen with a bit stam sustain ...
Have u tried medium armor stamplar . Edited by Murador178 on 17 May 2019 11:360 -
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✭✭Murador178 wrote: »
Mag sorc and stam nbs got very good sustain ... dark deal + ele drain = godlike sustain - prob the easiest to sustain class in the game. I now alot of Msorc running base mag regen with a bit stam sustain ...
Have u tried medium armor stamplar .
People in this comment chain were Talking About PvE so no dark deal/conversion unless you want to gimp your dps.
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Luede✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
20% dmg buff < free immunity CC Timer
A damage buff that is higher than major berserk and stacks with other damage buffs is worse than giving CC immunity? These threads...
if the enemy cant break ur cc he is dead. 20% more dmg on a bad ult grants u nothing. Onslaught is more dmg in 1 hit, than Incap ult + 20% over 6 seconds.4 -
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✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I’m not a dueler but think you’re right. I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone. The reality is people go around with Max resistances and 30k+ health in pvp.
Come to the forums and people talk about glass canon specs and damage buffs being overpowered. I wonder how many of these people actually pvp.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
If you just had an undodgeable, unbreakable stun you could use alongside the 20% buff.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.0 -
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Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
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✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Incap traded a Defile/Stun for a Silence/Sustain buff. Soul Harvest is a Defile/Ultimate Regen. The 2 are balanced against one another pretty nicely as a result but you want Soul Harvest to get even more while leaving Incap totally worthless?
Talk about selfish.
The issue is that Soul Harvest's passive is heavily situational, whereas the new Reave isn't. To put them on an equal playing field, you would either need to require Reave's effects to only apply if the NB dealt a killing blow (say, 3k stam/magicka on KB, making it useless in PVE outside of trash mobs and 'eh' in PVP) or make Soul Harvest restore ultimate on light attacks (say, 1 ulti per LA.) As it currently stands, ~200 magicka and stamina regen in all fights is not comparable to 9 ultimate every two minutes.ＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
Well, Iskiab has a point for high MMR BG but that's all. Cyro StamNB are anything but last spot. Also mind I'm not the one asking for nerfs.
Nobody denies that Pet Sorcs are doing really well but the delusions that are spread around here lately are really strange.
E.g. to say that sNB have no natural synergy with cloak, shade and dodge is far fetched. But whatever. Should have learned by now to sometimes just stop arguing.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on 17 May 2019 16:441