The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

I just have to laugh how some "faction loyalists" think they're better people and superior gamers, whereas "faction hoppers" have done nothing but grief. Of the all the most disgusting, banable, hateful tells I have ever got playing this game, 90% of them were from diehard "faction loyalists."

So, you think harsh language is somehow more reprehensible than actual cheating?

And another lock opponent flames himself out.

Sandman929 · May 2019

For better or worse, it seems like it's happening. And for a few reasons I'm not particularly thrilled with it even though I only have DC characters and spend most of my in-game time playing for faction objectives.
Right now I home Vivec for transmute crystals, but play in Shor because Vivec is a laggy disaster during the times I can play with the guild which is NA primetime. It doesn't look like this lock is going to change that and I'll still be forced to home one campaign and actually play in another.

Miriel · May 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

My question is, if there are so many people who want to flip sides whenever they choose, farm AP by resource swapping with their social guild friends (aka 'roleplaying') and Emperor farm on all their alts without worrying about the campaign outcome...behaviour usually described as 'playing with my friends' or 'bolstering the low pop side for good fights' and 'playing how I want' ....then these non locked campaigns won't be empty at all and everyone will get good fights with their friends. So what's the problem?

As people keep saying, and as other people keep not listening, outside of prime time, on Xbox, every other campaign is dead.

Your deliberate mischaracterisation of it as "roleplay" demonstrates nothing but ignorance on what happens after you go to bed.

From May 2016 until march 2019 I exclusively played at Oceanic/SEA peak times. That is between 10 pm and 9am NA EST time. So please don't accuse me of being ignorant about what happens off NA peak. Oceanic/SE Asian players have a 'peak' time too.

I still play on DC Vivec NA PC on Aussie peak or NA peak depending on my guildies. I will admit XBox PvP is a mystery to me but I do play with some console and X Box refugees. I suspect half the problem you describe is due to a low pop platform overall and locks or no locks ain't going to fix the fundamental problem of a broken platform with too few players.

As to your second point about mischaracterisation: 'Roleplaying' is the way that banned players used to justify their shenanigans (ie resource and AP farming each other by faction flipping.) Until they got banned for exploiting... Sorry if you haven't been around long enough to know that particular usage. I was using the term as an insult to them....not to genuine small group fights.

Back on the topic of locks affecting the majority of ESO PVP players. I have stood with the entire DC faction online in Vivec at Glade at Australian peak time ...all 20 of us...watching people who fought alongside us the hour before all reappear on AD toons in a huge zerg ball to gate EP and DC because, and I quote, "it's just too hard to 4 v 30 or 40 so we may as well play with the side with numbers'.

I have seen several guild leaders set their alarms and play in middle of the NA night (like 3 or 4 am) to try to rally the DC faction who do play off peak after being gated every night for 3 months straight and then watched as the DC ADand EP flippers trolled them mercilessly in zone to prevent the DC off peak pugs from being coordinated ....not to mention the scroll trolling that was coordinated by the same players' groups/'guilds'.

Ask any DC off NA peak player how many people they see who flip to support the low pop sides (which tend to be EP and DC on Vivec after the NA Peak guilds and many other NA players log off.) and they'll answer...none?

What I have seen is dozens of individuals flip to AD toons take advantage of the AD increase in pop at Oceanic/SEA peak so they could zerg surf to get AP by faction stacking and PvDooring. There are several Aussie and Asian guilds on AD who play regularly and exclusively on our Oceanic/SEA peak. They want good fights but can't get them because the DC and EP flippers see their numbers and join on AD toons just to zerg surf. So the problem of off peak imbalance is compounded further.

They couldn't do this if factions were locked for a month. This is the argument we who advocated faction locks in some form have been putting in the forums for several months/year now. This is the situation the devs were asked to investigate. That ZoS has the numbers and came up with this solution indicates either we were more rational, better informed and better at debating than the OP, Joy Division and the gang opposing faction locks; Or that ZoS checked the data and came to the same conclusion; Or both.

All I see from those opposing locks is:
1 'it won't work because of pop imbalance'...well, there is always a pop imbalance in favour of whichever faction is top of the leader board at the moment, so that doesn't fly. And there is pop imbalance at different times of the day, so that doesn't fly. What faction locking for 30 days will fix is mass guild flipping mid campaign, zone trolling, and PvEers faction stacking the winning side, at the end of campaign.

2' it won't work because I wanna play how i wanna play'.....well, you can. Just not on a 'proper' long alliance based campaign where faction stability makes a difference

3 'I don't wanna play 7 days because no one else does'....well, if all of you held hands and decided on a 7 day campaign there'd be plenty of small group fights, which you say you want and no lag, which you say you want. There are enough names in the posts in these forums to do that. JS.

As I keep saying. It would be nice to have a once only per character faction flip token to allow people to sort out their characters if they made them without having any race any alliance from the store, or when they didn't know that it would be necessary to choose a side and stick to it.

And some way of balancing the necromancer meta race influx will be necessary too.

But overall I am really happy the 30 day campaigns will be locked

DC for life!
edited for typos

If you played as often as you claimed that you did, you would know perfectly why those unlocked dead campaigns will remain dead campaigns.

You're side isnt more rational, isn't better informed, and not better at debating than "my gang," though perhaps more condescending. I just have to laugh how some "faction loyalists" think they're better people and superior gamers, whereas "faction hoppers" have done nothing but grief. Of the all the most disgusting, banable, hateful tells I have ever got playing this game, 90% of them were from diehard "faction loyalists."

I was at ZOS headquarters and spoke to them why they made the change. I have news for you, they didn't "check the data." People are just making that up as an appeal to authority fallacy, that somehow ZOS just knows. ZOS made this change because the PvP system has been busted since launch. Yes, it was busted when faction-locks were a thing and when 99% of players only had one character. This is their latest attempt at a fix and it got a lot of momentum because people who play multiple factions blissfully assumed ZOS would keep things the way they were and didn't come to the forums until after ZOS made the change. If you want to say it's their own fault, that's fair and perhaps correct, but just stop with the "ZOS knows!" fantasy. ZOS doesn't know. Because if they did, Cyrodiil would have more to it that just zerging around the emperor ring, PvDooring keeps for 6K AP, and actual AvAvA features for solo players.

Well you wont get any more numerous as is and never have... if you want to play with faction hopping you still can, but dont try to force that upon us that dont want to... Here is my problem with you, i think you know you are a very very tiny portion of the player base, so while the majority want faction locks, you know that if you go to a server without locks, it will be a dead campaign, and that will be the proof... either your right and more will play without locks, or they will stay on the locked campaign... but dont force YOUR way of playing on those that dont want to...

And PS, i have on good authority that ZOS check numbers, so dont say they dident or provide proof of it

Ahtu · May 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

My question is, if there are so many people who want to flip sides whenever they choose, farm AP by resource swapping with their social guild friends (aka 'roleplaying') and Emperor farm on all their alts without worrying about the campaign outcome...behaviour usually described as 'playing with my friends' or 'bolstering the low pop side for good fights' and 'playing how I want' ....then these non locked campaigns won't be empty at all and everyone will get good fights with their friends. So what's the problem?

As people keep saying, and as other people keep not listening, outside of prime time, on Xbox, every other campaign is dead.

Your deliberate mischaracterisation of it as "roleplay" demonstrates nothing but ignorance on what happens after you go to bed.

From May 2016 until march 2019 I exclusively played at Oceanic/SEA peak times. That is between 10 pm and 9am NA EST time. So please don't accuse me of being ignorant about what happens off NA peak. Oceanic/SE Asian players have a 'peak' time too.

I still play on DC Vivec NA PC on Aussie peak or NA peak depending on my guildies. I will admit XBox PvP is a mystery to me but I do play with some console and X Box refugees. I suspect half the problem you describe is due to a low pop platform overall and locks or no locks ain't going to fix the fundamental problem of a broken platform with too few players.

As to your second point about mischaracterisation: 'Roleplaying' is the way that banned players used to justify their shenanigans (ie resource and AP farming each other by faction flipping.) Until they got banned for exploiting... Sorry if you haven't been around long enough to know that particular usage. I was using the term as an insult to them....not to genuine small group fights.

Back on the topic of locks affecting the majority of ESO PVP players. I have stood with the entire DC faction online in Vivec at Glade at Australian peak time ...all 20 of us...watching people who fought alongside us the hour before all reappear on AD toons in a huge zerg ball to gate EP and DC because, and I quote, "it's just too hard to 4 v 30 or 40 so we may as well play with the side with numbers'.

I have seen several guild leaders set their alarms and play in middle of the NA night (like 3 or 4 am) to try to rally the DC faction who do play off peak after being gated every night for 3 months straight and then watched as the DC ADand EP flippers trolled them mercilessly in zone to prevent the DC off peak pugs from being coordinated ....not to mention the scroll trolling that was coordinated by the same players' groups/'guilds'.

Ask any DC off NA peak player how many people they see who flip to support the low pop sides (which tend to be EP and DC on Vivec after the NA Peak guilds and many other NA players log off.) and they'll answer...none?

What I have seen is dozens of individuals flip to AD toons take advantage of the AD increase in pop at Oceanic/SEA peak so they could zerg surf to get AP by faction stacking and PvDooring. There are several Aussie and Asian guilds on AD who play regularly and exclusively on our Oceanic/SEA peak. They want good fights but can't get them because the DC and EP flippers see their numbers and join on AD toons just to zerg surf. So the problem of off peak imbalance is compounded further.

They couldn't do this if factions were locked for a month. This is the argument we who advocated faction locks in some form have been putting in the forums for several months/year now. This is the situation the devs were asked to investigate. That ZoS has the numbers and came up with this solution indicates either we were more rational, better informed and better at debating than the OP, Joy Division and the gang opposing faction locks; Or that ZoS checked the data and came to the same conclusion; Or both.

All I see from those opposing locks is:
1 'it won't work because of pop imbalance'...well, there is always a pop imbalance in favour of whichever faction is top of the leader board at the moment, so that doesn't fly. And there is pop imbalance at different times of the day, so that doesn't fly. What faction locking for 30 days will fix is mass guild flipping mid campaign, zone trolling, and PvEers faction stacking the winning side, at the end of campaign.

2' it won't work because I wanna play how i wanna play'.....well, you can. Just not on a 'proper' long alliance based campaign where faction stability makes a difference

3 'I don't wanna play 7 days because no one else does'....well, if all of you held hands and decided on a 7 day campaign there'd be plenty of small group fights, which you say you want and no lag, which you say you want. There are enough names in the posts in these forums to do that. JS.

As I keep saying. It would be nice to have a once only per character faction flip token to allow people to sort out their characters if they made them without having any race any alliance from the store, or when they didn't know that it would be necessary to choose a side and stick to it.

And some way of balancing the necromancer meta race influx will be necessary too.

But overall I am really happy the 30 day campaigns will be locked

DC for life!
edited for typos

If you played as often as you claimed that you did, you would know perfectly why those unlocked dead campaigns will remain dead campaigns.

You're side isnt more rational, isn't better informed, and not better at debating than "my gang," though perhaps more condescending. I just have to laugh how some "faction loyalists" think they're better people and superior gamers, whereas "faction hoppers" have done nothing but grief. Of the all the most disgusting, banable, hateful tells I have ever got playing this game, 90% of them were from diehard "faction loyalists."

I was at ZOS headquarters and spoke to them why they made the change. I have news for you, they didn't "check the data." People are just making that up as an appeal to authority fallacy, that somehow ZOS just knows. ZOS made this change because the PvP system has been busted since launch. Yes, it was busted when faction-locks were a thing and when 99% of players only had one character. This is their latest attempt at a fix and it got a lot of momentum because people who play multiple factions blissfully assumed ZOS would keep things the way they were and didn't come to the forums until after ZOS made the change. If you want to say it's their own fault, that's fair and perhaps correct, but just stop with the "ZOS knows!" fantasy. ZOS doesn't know. Because if they did, Cyrodiil would have more to it that just zerging around the emperor ring, PvDooring keeps for 6K AP, and actual AvAvA features for solo players.

ZOS has stated publicly that they have access to the game's raw data and use it to make decisions about the direction of the game. The information is there telling them that it's time to implement faction locks and they have picked up on it. Plus, they restructured their team to cover both PVP and PVE back in January, which is why we are seeing so many big changes to PVP lately.

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

Miriel · May 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

Miriel · May 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

Then whats the problem ?
I can tell you a story about the first months of ESO, when AD was so dominant that bascially all campaigns was AD dominanted, most DC an EP guilds even today is orginally AD guilds... what happend was that the population fixed itself, without allowing people to faction hopp at a instant... i wonder why, its like your new to ESO or something ?

The difrence is, back then people couldent easilly and fast just change sides, but they could and did fix pop imbalance...

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

Then whats the problem ?
I can tell you a story about the first months of ESO, when AD was so dominant that bascially all campaigns was AD dominanted, most DC an EP guilds even today is orginally AD guilds... what happend was that the population fixed itself, without allowing people to faction hopp at a instant... i wonder why, its like your new to ESO or something ?

The difrence is, back then people couldent easilly and fast just change sides, but they could and did fix pop imbalance...

Okay.

Ahtu · May 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

We don't know that for certain until faction locks take effect. I have my theory on what's going to happen, but it's just a hunch so I won't share it here. Also, you act like being new to the game is a bad thing, but keep in mind that new players are unbiased and offer different perspectives.

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

We don't know that for certain until faction locks take effect. I have my theory on what's going to happen, but it's just a hunch so I won't share it here. Also, you act like being new to the game is a bad thing, but keep in mind that new players are unbiased and offer different perspectives.

Except we do know because we’ve already been here before. If you really think everyone will start acting like team players all of a sudden I don’t know what to tell you. If I want take a scroll and farm it you can’t stop me and after that I can dump it into slaughter fish. If I don’t like you but you’re trying to get emp I could just not push for you. If you’re on your last emp keep I can just set up max siege so you can’t defend. Again, all of this has been done by people who would never play on another faction.

New players are biased and likely don’t know what they’re talking about. I’m not looking for advice about open world from someone who is new, especially in this particular scenario.

Ahtu · May 2019

There will always be trolls, but the change will make it more challenging for them. Their incentives will be drastically reduced as they will no longer be able to switch sides instantly. Most exploits mentioned in this post that people have been abusing over the years will be outright fixed overnight once this change goes live.

I'm so excited about this change I can hardly wait until next month!

Miriel · May 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

We don't know that for certain until faction locks take effect. I have my theory on what's going to happen, but it's just a hunch so I won't share it here. Also, you act like being new to the game is a bad thing, but keep in mind that new players are unbiased and offer different perspectives.

Except we do know because we’ve already been here before. If you really think everyone will start acting like team players all of a sudden I don’t know what to tell you. If I want take a scroll and farm it you can’t stop me and after that I can dump it into slaughter fish. If I don’t like you but you’re trying to get emp I could just not push for you. If you’re on your last emp keep I can just set up max siege so you can’t defend. Again, all of this has been done by people who would never play on another faction.

New players are biased and likely don’t know what they’re talking about. I’m not looking for advice about open world from someone who is new, especially in this particular scenario.

Yea but you will have camapigns without faction locks, its like you have to have everyone play as you like ?...

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

We don't know that for certain until faction locks take effect. I have my theory on what's going to happen, but it's just a hunch so I won't share it here. Also, you act like being new to the game is a bad thing, but keep in mind that new players are unbiased and offer different perspectives.

Except we do know because we’ve already been here before. If you really think everyone will start acting like team players all of a sudden I don’t know what to tell you. If I want take a scroll and farm it you can’t stop me and after that I can dump it into slaughter fish. If I don’t like you but you’re trying to get emp I could just not push for you. If you’re on your last emp keep I can just set up max siege so you can’t defend. Again, all of this has been done by people who would never play on another faction.

New players are biased and likely don’t know what they’re talking about. I’m not looking for advice about open world from someone who is new, especially in this particular scenario.

Yea but you will have camapigns without faction locks, its like you have to have everyone play as you like ?...

It’s not about playing how I like it’s about it not being enough players to support this change. Anyone with some decent common sense would realize that.

https://imgur.com/a/JDiknih

But sure you guys know exactly what you’re talking about.

Miriel · May 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

We don't know that for certain until faction locks take effect. I have my theory on what's going to happen, but it's just a hunch so I won't share it here. Also, you act like being new to the game is a bad thing, but keep in mind that new players are unbiased and offer different perspectives.

Except we do know because we’ve already been here before. If you really think everyone will start acting like team players all of a sudden I don’t know what to tell you. If I want take a scroll and farm it you can’t stop me and after that I can dump it into slaughter fish. If I don’t like you but you’re trying to get emp I could just not push for you. If you’re on your last emp keep I can just set up max siege so you can’t defend. Again, all of this has been done by people who would never play on another faction.

New players are biased and likely don’t know what they’re talking about. I’m not looking for advice about open world from someone who is new, especially in this particular scenario.

Yea but you will have camapigns without faction locks, its like you have to have everyone play as you like ?...

It’s not about playing how I like it’s about it not being enough players to support this change. Anyone with some decent common sense would realize that.

so, yea lol, lets force the majority to play like you want... that makes sense ?

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

We don't know that for certain until faction locks take effect. I have my theory on what's going to happen, but it's just a hunch so I won't share it here. Also, you act like being new to the game is a bad thing, but keep in mind that new players are unbiased and offer different perspectives.

Except we do know because we’ve already been here before. If you really think everyone will start acting like team players all of a sudden I don’t know what to tell you. If I want take a scroll and farm it you can’t stop me and after that I can dump it into slaughter fish. If I don’t like you but you’re trying to get emp I could just not push for you. If you’re on your last emp keep I can just set up max siege so you can’t defend. Again, all of this has been done by people who would never play on another faction.

New players are biased and likely don’t know what they’re talking about. I’m not looking for advice about open world from someone who is new, especially in this particular scenario.

Yea but you will have camapigns without faction locks, its like you have to have everyone play as you like ?...

It’s not about playing how I like it’s about it not being enough players to support this change. Anyone with some decent common sense would realize that.

so, yea lol, lets force the majority to play like you want... that makes sense ?

Yeah I’m just ignoring you.

Miriel · May 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You’re going back and forth with willfully ignorant people. You could work for zos and the loyalist will still come up with anything they can think of. If zos did things by the numbers they’d know shor is dead the majority of the day and that it doesn’t matter if people are for or against faction lock; they’re going to stack in the 30 day like they always have.

I’ve predominantly played the same faction, the die hard loyalist have always been more toxic in the game. But sure let’s pretend they’re good Boy Scouts and can do no wrong. Yeah...okay, playing one alliance doesn’t make you a team it just means you’re on the same alliance. So I’m sorry to the one guy who thinks faction locks will make people push for him, it won’t.

And again you can still play as YOU want... and i can play as i like... alot of us are tired of faction hoppers and dont want to play with it... Thanks ZoS for giving options

Faction locks won’t change anything you’re complaining about besides swapping to the winning side. It’s like you guys are new to the game.

We don't know that for certain until faction locks take effect. I have my theory on what's going to happen, but it's just a hunch so I won't share it here. Also, you act like being new to the game is a bad thing, but keep in mind that new players are unbiased and offer different perspectives.

Except we do know because we’ve already been here before. If you really think everyone will start acting like team players all of a sudden I don’t know what to tell you. If I want take a scroll and farm it you can’t stop me and after that I can dump it into slaughter fish. If I don’t like you but you’re trying to get emp I could just not push for you. If you’re on your last emp keep I can just set up max siege so you can’t defend. Again, all of this has been done by people who would never play on another faction.

New players are biased and likely don’t know what they’re talking about. I’m not looking for advice about open world from someone who is new, especially in this particular scenario.

Yea but you will have camapigns without faction locks, its like you have to have everyone play as you like ?...

It’s not about playing how I like it’s about it not being enough players to support this change. Anyone with some decent common sense would realize that.

so, yea lol, lets force the majority to play like you want... that makes sense ?

Yeah I’m just ignoring you.

Yea but you still dont get it... we dont want to play with faction hopping... and you will be able to play withit... then you can argue, it wont make a change, or pops or what ever... people are fed up and tired and want it gone, i dont care where i play, i just want a server for those that dont...

The irony is, faction hoppers will still be on the server with faction locks, even if they could have their own campaign, thats reality

Joy_Division · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I just have to laugh how some "faction loyalists" think they're better people and superior gamers, whereas "faction hoppers" have done nothing but grief. Of the all the most disgusting, banable, hateful tells I have ever got playing this game, 90% of them were from diehard "faction loyalists."

So, you think harsh language is somehow more reprehensible than actual cheating?

And another lock opponent flames himself out.

Yes, I think messaging someone homophobic slurs and to get cancer and die is worse than telling their AD friends that EP is heading for the Alessia front door. A lot more. It's not even a contest.

Also "faction loyalists" cheat. Keep deluding yourself that you belong to a group of better people if that makes you feel better about yourself or something..

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes, I think messaging someone homophobic slurs and to get cancer and die is worse than telling their AD friends that EP is heading for the Alessia front door. A lot more. It's not even a contest.

Even picking the most egregious example of insults and the most innocuous example of cheating STILL doesn't win you the point. If you consider words to be more of an affront than actions, then you have some growing up to do. Sticks and stones...

Miriel · May 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I just have to laugh how some "faction loyalists" think they're better people and superior gamers, whereas "faction hoppers" have done nothing but grief. Of the all the most disgusting, banable, hateful tells I have ever got playing this game, 90% of them were from diehard "faction loyalists."

So, you think harsh language is somehow more reprehensible than actual cheating?

And another lock opponent flames himself out.

Yes, I think messaging someone homophobic slurs and to get cancer and die is worse than telling their AD friends that EP is heading for the Alessia front door. A lot more. It's not even a contest.

Also "faction loyalists" cheat. Keep deluding yourself that you belong to a group of better people if that makes you feel better about yourself or something..

And you will still be able to play on a server with faction hopping... And we can play on a server where you dont have it...

Glory · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes, I think messaging someone homophobic slurs and to get cancer and die is worse than telling their AD friends that EP is heading for the Alessia front door. A lot more. It's not even a contest.

Even picking the most egregious example of insults and the most innocuous example of cheating STILL doesn't win you the point. If you consider words to be more of an affront than actions, then you have some growing up to do. Sticks and stones...

I had a response, but I'll just say wow.

pzschrek · May 2019

God bless you for trying, Joy. They’ll never listen to reason.

If they did, they wouldn’t prioritize their tinfoil hat theories as harder evidence than testimony from someone who literally speaks to the devs in person as a matter of routine.

Tells me all I need to know about who is reasonable and who is a moron.

Mr_Walker · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

As people keep saying, and as other people keep not listening, outside of prime time, on Xbox, every other campaign is dead.

Yes, people keep SAYING this, but no one actually has anything to back that claim up.

Back what claim up? That outside of primetime every other campaign than Vivec is dead? How many people have to tell you?

Ahtu · May 2019

It will be interesting to see how the lock affects faction population levels in Vivec, if at all. It's very possible that one faction would be sacrificed to the other two factions and absorbed completely. This could spell the end of The Three Banners War and we may see a dominant faction emerge like when the game first released with locks in place.

Elong · May 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the lock affects faction population levels in Vivec, if at all. It's very possible that one faction would be sacrificed to the other two factions and absorbed completely. This could spell the end of The Three Banners War and we may see a dominant faction emerge like when the game first released with locks in place.

And that would be terrible for pvp mate. Just terrible.

Miriel · May 2019

We will see what happens, it probably take alittle time, but im fairly certain that we will find the right balance, as the campaigns gets played out, just like it did along time ago...

Whats utterly and totally terrible is the faction hopping thats been a total disaster for pvp, in my opinion... being able to log out, and change sides in matter of minutes is probably the most stupid of stupid choises ever made in the history of competition...

I can see it before me in dota, one side is loosing, so they leave their side and yoin the winning side, so they can get the loot, yes thats so brilliantly stupid !

Haashhtaag · May 2019

Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.

Irylia · May 2019

Can we get faction swap tokens?
Crown item listed next to race/name change.
I’d like to move some characters over to the one faction I’ll be forced to stay in if I want to pvp viv/sotha.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the lock affects faction population levels in Vivec, if at all. It's very possible that one faction would be sacrificed to the other two factions and absorbed completely. This could spell the end of The Three Banners War and we may see a dominant faction emerge like when the game first released with locks in place.

And that would be terrible for pvp mate. Just terrible.

Shows the mentality of those in favor of the lock that they seem to think there's a way to "win" a perpetual online war that's designed to have no ending.

All things being equal, there should be an even(ish) chance of any faction winning a particular month.

As much as it amuses the everloving heck out of me to see DC buried in last place month to month on a micro level, on a macro level it is fairly damaging to the game. DC population is already fairly depressed on Vivec while they run rampant on Sotha.

That makes it so people who are not DC don't want to play on Sotha, while DC doesn't want to play on Vivec. Exacerbating that so that one faction is in near constant control leads to server death like what happened to Trueflame back in the height of the Havoc days when red was utterly dominant.

In other games, like Shadowbane, they would have to shut down whole server shards when one faction overwhelmed the others as no one, not even the "winners" would play on that server as there was nothing to do.

The fight needs to remain even, and each faction needs to have a real chance of winning to retain the drive to actually compete.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Back what claim up? That outside of primetime every other campaign than Vivec is dead? How many people have to tell you?

Considering the few people who have been saying this have otherwise been full of baloney, you will forgive me if I don't accept their word for it. How about a screenshot of the population levels proving it?