NBrookus wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

NirnStorm wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Dead campaigns? Devs stated a 30 day no CP, a 30 day CP (both locked) and I think two 7 days, not locked, the 2 IC campaigns, and the lowbie one How will there be dead campaigns?

Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yes. The people who wanted locks were by far the most vocal and better at presenting their case. ZOS believes they will get more subs than they'll lose.

Alright then, time to make some noise Joy

The "fix" for azura star's lag was to make it no CP. Then everyone shifter to trueflame. But, I distinctly remember players saying it was the end.

If people truly want nonlocked pvp they will switch to the unlocked campaigns. If they want locked the 30 days will stay packed. I think that will prove where quantity lies.
But, as for the previous lock, it was easily bypassed. All you had to do ways queue with a player homed to a campaign you were locked out of. You could even cut the time to enter a locked campaign by queuing to with a player of the opposing faction.
For every 1 player that swaps factions for good reasons, there were many more that did it for the wrong ones.
ZOS has always prioritized casual players over the hard core, and probably will continue. 10 people paying a sub and buying crowns makes more business sense than the one player who always complains and doesn't push the community forward.

Did you read the comment you're quoting?

"Because if you don't play primetime nowadays every campaign other than Vivec is 100% dead, except for the occasional PvDoor group. If the pop is split, believe me, the 7 days campaign will have no one in them until primetime, and even then, maybe 2 bars at most."

I understood what I quoted. You also seem to agree that more players want a locked campaign. Because, if it was the other way the majority would shift to the unlocked campaign. This is an easy way for ZOS to determine what the majority want.

To be honest, I don't care either way. It does seem that this is a reasonable way to determine player attitudes, than to just faction lock all campaigns.

I never agreed so stop putting words in my mouth. In the case of Azuras, no one wanted to play without the cp they grinded up and there was another 30 day available. So everyone moved there instead.
The largest day campaigns have always been considered the main campaigns since the beginning of eso by the general populace. That is not about to change. The 7 day might get more lively in NA prime but that will be it.

People keep saying "Go to the non locked server" and all of us outside of NA Prime have to keep repeating ourselves.
There isn't a large enough population outside of NA primetime to spread over 2 seperate servers

Yea, but again, dont blame us or ESO, blame those that faction hopped... their the sole reason why people cant have nice things...

Or you could blame the *** poor performance and ignoring PVP for years that the players that formerly filled those campaigns left for other games.

alot of people also left couse faction hopping, im not saying its a great solotion to lock campaigns, all i know is that what we have isnt working

Glory wrote: »

If anything, this is clearly just making more players bitter about the state of PvP and will result in more perceived griefing...

The "known faction hopper" generally play EP, wouldn't they still be able to do this anyway?

Not as easilly, they will have to change campaigns at end of them, every 30 days... or grind up a entire new account, get hundreds of cps, find all those sets etc,get all skill popints, unless they go and buy a account, wich would then jepordice their account etc...

ANd have all their friends willing to do this, in a ageing MMO... its alot of work, i honestly dont see it, unless for the most die hard trolololo

Joy_Division wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Where is your proof that people who play multiple factions don't play nice, and how does this stop being who don't faction swap from not playing nice?

Its my opinion that it is, there seems to be alot that share this opinion with me... but if you want proof, is probably the change comming...

Elong, what proof do you have that it isnt like this, and people dosent change factions to instantly bandwagon to the winning side, couse there is a very akward correspondance, that people just happen to leave, or a loosing side loose numbers... except people saying they want to "help"...

I mean if what you say is true, why is for example DC staking two raids during certain hours, when AD for example barely have a handfull defending back keeps, IF people wanted to even the balance they would change factions, right, i never ever see it happen... all i see is winning side being stronger

So during the years these people could have balanced the factions, from huge pop inbalance, they dident...

Firstly the burden of proof isn't on me, I haven't asked for a change , and you've accused people of not playing nice, not me : )

Secondly, the more logical explanation would be that the factions are populated on the whole by people who play at certain times. AD have 3 guilds that regularly play late at night until a certain time, and then 2 DC guilds start up an hour after them. EP has one mass guild that raids during the prime time and will stay on longer if there is more things to PVDoor or else they log for the night, and I don't see them on other factions.

Of course a few people swap around, not enough to change the course of the map. No guilds do this for map play.

Thirdly, people swapping to other sides, isn't playing badly, it has been a part of ESO for years now. If they want to change it, we're powerless to stop them, but to say it is because people don't play nice is ludicrous. There's people I don't want to Emp on my faction, I'm gonna put 20 oils down. If I want to be a ***, I'll throw my scroll into the slaughterfish. These types of scenarios occur within the faction, not from faction swappers.

i can only asume ESO knows what their doing...

That's basically posting, "yeah I got nothing."

If anyone one can see the statisics and when people change characters and have been swtiching faction... its them... so yea, i wouldent say thats nothing

After reading their changes to Incap on PTS 5.0.3, all assumptions that ESO know what they are doing should be thrown out the window.

Even if they did have the numbers right in front of them, I didn;t fill out a form explaining why I changed characters, so there is nothing to stop them from being just as biased in interpreting those numbers as those people who assume every switch is motivated by AP boosting, winning the campaign, or because I can only possibly be a troll on certain factions, but not others.

Yea but they still have made the game you play, and probably have for how many years ?... they still have far more numbers then i or you or any other arm chair game designer in these forums, im fairly sure none of u have made any AAA MMOs like ESO, so yea ?

The change as ar as i know is purely based on, since alot of people faction hopped, dont blame me or ESO, blame the people that faction hopped, and you will still be able to change faction at the end of every camapign... Faction hoppers is the sole reason why people cant have nice things...

Miriel wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

If anything, this is clearly just making more players bitter about the state of PvP and will result in more perceived griefing...

The "known faction hopper" generally play EP, wouldn't they still be able to do this anyway?

Not as easilly, they will have to change campaigns at end of them, every 30 days... or grind up a entire new account, get hundreds of cps, find all those sets etc,get all skill popints, unless they go and buy a account, wich would then jepordice their account etc...

ANd have all their friends willing to do this, in a ageing MMO... its alot of work, i honestly dont see it, unless for the most die hard trolololo

Sorry to burst your bubble:

• It's both wildly easy and cheap to create a second account and get it to level 10. From there, it would be equally as easy to 1) buy oils/whatever; 2) send them to your alt account; 3) use those to do what people are complaining about. You literally only have to be level 10 to do things like this (see the level 30 NBs chaining people off bridges)
• People are being toxic towards faction swappers (for years). When someone on EP is toxic towards a person who plays EP and DC, these faction locks will either result in a) that multi-faction player to go DC, thus weakening the EP claim that they're so driven to accomplishing; or b) that multi-faction player goes to EP, remembers the toxic faction loyalist, and encounters disincentives to help said EP loyalist, thus weakening EP claims.

This is already seen: in this thread loyalists are calling out multi-faction players for refusing to help them achieve their faction goals. Why would these players want to help someone who is clearly harboring animosity towards them?

NBrookus wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

alot of people also left couse faction hopping, im not saying its a great solotion to lock campaigns, all i know is that what we have isnt working

Honestly I seriously doubt that. They may have left because they believed faction swapping made the campaign un-competitive, but the reality is that if you have come to ESO for competitive PVP, you are in the wrong place.

Yes you have a opinion, i have a opinion... ESO made a change based on numbers and facts they actually have...

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Wasn’t the change based on the fact a small amount of players asked for this change while those that are against it didn’t speak out enough because they didn’t think zos would actually listen?.

You mean, a long time ago, when they abolished faction lock? Probably.

Miriel wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Where is your proof that people who play multiple factions don't play nice, and how does this stop being who don't faction swap from not playing nice?

Its my opinion that it is, there seems to be alot that share this opinion with me... but if you want proof, is probably the change comming...

Elong, what proof do you have that it isnt like this, and people dosent change factions to instantly bandwagon to the winning side, couse there is a very akward correspondance, that people just happen to leave, or a loosing side loose numbers... except people saying they want to "help"...

I mean if what you say is true, why is for example DC staking two raids during certain hours, when AD for example barely have a handfull defending back keeps, IF people wanted to even the balance they would change factions, right, i never ever see it happen... all i see is winning side being stronger

So during the years these people could have balanced the factions, from huge pop inbalance, they dident...

Firstly the burden of proof isn't on me, I haven't asked for a change , and you've accused people of not playing nice, not me : )

Secondly, the more logical explanation would be that the factions are populated on the whole by people who play at certain times. AD have 3 guilds that regularly play late at night until a certain time, and then 2 DC guilds start up an hour after them. EP has one mass guild that raids during the prime time and will stay on longer if there is more things to PVDoor or else they log for the night, and I don't see them on other factions.

Of course a few people swap around, not enough to change the course of the map. No guilds do this for map play.

Thirdly, people swapping to other sides, isn't playing badly, it has been a part of ESO for years now. If they want to change it, we're powerless to stop them, but to say it is because people don't play nice is ludicrous. There's people I don't want to Emp on my faction, I'm gonna put 20 oils down. If I want to be a ***, I'll throw my scroll into the slaughterfish. These types of scenarios occur within the faction, not from faction swappers.

i can only asume ESO knows what their doing...

That's basically posting, "yeah I got nothing."

If anyone one can see the statisics and when people change characters and have been swtiching faction... its them... so yea, i wouldent say thats nothing

After reading their changes to Incap on PTS 5.0.3, all assumptions that ESO know what they are doing should be thrown out the window.

Even if they did have the numbers right in front of them, I didn;t fill out a form explaining why I changed characters, so there is nothing to stop them from being just as biased in interpreting those numbers as those people who assume every switch is motivated by AP boosting, winning the campaign, or because I can only possibly be a troll on certain factions, but not others.

Yea but they still have made the game you play, and probably have for how many years ?... they still have far more numbers then i or you or any other arm chair game designer in these forums, im fairly sure none of u have made any AAA MMOs like ESO, so yea ?

The change as ar as i know is purely based on, since alot of people faction hopped, dont blame me or ESO, blame the people that faction hopped, and you will still be able to change faction at the end of every camapign... Faction hoppers is the sole reason why people cant have nice things...

If you are going to use the appeal to authority fallacy, at least pick someone who is an actual authority in PvP.

Miriel wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

If anything, this is clearly just making more players bitter about the state of PvP and will result in more perceived griefing...

The "known faction hopper" generally play EP, wouldn't they still be able to do this anyway?

Not as easilly, they will have to change campaigns at end of them, every 30 days... or grind up a entire new account, get hundreds of cps, find all those sets etc,get all skill popints, unless they go and buy a account, wich would then jepordice their account etc...

ANd have all their friends willing to do this, in a ageing MMO... its alot of work, i honestly dont see it, unless for the most die hard trolololo

Sorry to burst your bubble:

• It's both wildly easy and cheap to create a second account and get it to level 10. From there, it would be equally as easy to 1) buy oils/whatever; 2) send them to your alt account; 3) use those to do what people are complaining about. You literally only have to be level 10 to do things like this (see the level 30 NBs chaining people off bridges)
• People are being toxic towards faction swappers (for years). When someone on EP is toxic towards a person who plays EP and DC, these faction locks will either result in a) that multi-faction player to go DC, thus weakening the EP claim that they're so driven to accomplishing; or b) that multi-faction player goes to EP, remembers the toxic faction loyalist, and encounters disincentives to help said EP loyalist, thus weakening EP claims.

This is already seen: in this thread loyalists are calling out multi-faction players for refusing to help them achieve their faction goals. Why would these players want to help someone who is clearly harboring animosity towards them?

I guess im wrong then, and there is no problems, peopel can still faction hop easilly... then whys the fuss ?

Because your argument is that it'll stop griefing, and in reality my point shows that all it will do is stop real PvP while still allowing griefing easily.

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Mathematically it will be easier for one faction to hit "critical mass" during prime-time, and then we'll see the same happy-clappers who are cheering on faction locking crying about nightcapping.

and if to many at same time choose the same faction, they will have legendary wait times...

If you don't like factions locks, vote by dunking scrolls after the patch goes live. I'm guessing that we're going to see more scrolls dunked by spiteful players that hate faction locks than we ever saw from people who swapped factions to "help campaign score".

Mr_Walker wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

My question is, if there are so many people who want to flip sides whenever they choose, farm AP by resource swapping with their social guild friends (aka 'roleplaying') and Emperor farm on all their alts without worrying about the campaign outcome...behaviour usually described as 'playing with my friends' or 'bolstering the low pop side for good fights' and 'playing how I want' ....then these non locked campaigns won't be empty at all and everyone will get good fights with their friends. So what's the problem?

As people keep saying, and as other people keep not listening, outside of prime time, on Xbox, every other campaign is dead.

Your deliberate mischaracterisation of it as "roleplay" demonstrates nothing but ignorance on what happens after you go to bed.

From May 2016 until march 2019 I exclusively played at Oceanic/SEA peak times. That is between 10 pm and 9am NA EST time. So please don't accuse me of being ignorant about what happens off NA peak. Oceanic/SE Asian players have a 'peak' time too.

I still play on DC Vivec NA PC on Aussie peak or NA peak depending on my guildies. I will admit XBox PvP is a mystery to me but I do play with some console and X Box refugees. I suspect half the problem you describe is due to a low pop platform overall and locks or no locks ain't going to fix the fundamental problem of a broken platform with too few players.

As to your second point about mischaracterisation: 'Roleplaying' is the way that banned players used to justify their shenanigans (ie resource and AP farming each other by faction flipping.) Until they got banned for exploiting... Sorry if you haven't been around long enough to know that particular usage. I was using the term as an insult to them....not to genuine small group fights.

Back on the topic of locks affecting the majority of ESO PVP players. I have stood with the entire DC faction online in Vivec at Glade at Australian peak time ...all 20 of us...watching people who fought alongside us the hour before all reappear on AD toons in a huge zerg ball to gate EP and DC because, and I quote, "it's just too hard to 4 v 30 or 40 so we may as well play with the side with numbers'.

I have seen several guild leaders set their alarms and play in middle of the NA night (like 3 or 4 am) to try to rally the DC faction who do play off peak after being gated every night for 3 months straight and then watched as the DC ADand EP flippers trolled them mercilessly in zone to prevent the DC off peak pugs from being coordinated ....not to mention the scroll trolling that was coordinated by the same players' groups/'guilds'.

Ask any DC off NA peak player how many people they see who flip to support the low pop sides (which tend to be EP and DC on Vivec after the NA Peak guilds and many other NA players log off.) and they'll answer...none?

What I have seen is dozens of individuals flip to AD toons take advantage of the AD increase in pop at Oceanic/SEA peak so they could zerg surf to get AP by faction stacking and PvDooring. There are several Aussie and Asian guilds on AD who play regularly and exclusively on our Oceanic/SEA peak. They want good fights but can't get them because the DC and EP flippers see their numbers and join on AD toons just to zerg surf. So the problem of off peak imbalance is compounded further.

They couldn't do this if factions were locked for a month. This is the argument we who advocated faction locks in some form have been putting in the forums for several months/year now. This is the situation the devs were asked to investigate. That ZoS has the numbers and came up with this solution indicates either we were more rational, better informed and better at debating than the OP, Joy Division and the gang opposing faction locks; Or that ZoS checked the data and came to the same conclusion; Or both.

All I see from those opposing locks is:
1 'it won't work because of pop imbalance'...well, there is always a pop imbalance in favour of whichever faction is top of the leader board at the moment, so that doesn't fly. And there is pop imbalance at different times of the day, so that doesn't fly. What faction locking for 30 days will fix is mass guild flipping mid campaign, zone trolling, and PvEers faction stacking the winning side, at the end of campaign.

2' it won't work because I wanna play how i wanna play'.....well, you can. Just not on a 'proper' long alliance based campaign where faction stability makes a difference

3 'I don't wanna play 7 days because no one else does'....well, if all of you held hands and decided on a 7 day campaign there'd be plenty of small group fights, which you say you want and no lag, which you say you want. There are enough names in the posts in these forums to do that. JS.

As I keep saying. It would be nice to have a once only per character faction flip token to allow people to sort out their characters if they made them without having any race any alliance from the store, or when they didn't know that it would be necessary to choose a side and stick to it.

And some way of balancing the necromancer meta race influx will be necessary too.

But overall I am really happy the 30 day campaigns will be locked

DC for life!
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Mr_Walker wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

My question is, if there are so many people who want to flip sides whenever they choose, farm AP by resource swapping with their social guild friends (aka 'roleplaying') and Emperor farm on all their alts without worrying about the campaign outcome...behaviour usually described as 'playing with my friends' or 'bolstering the low pop side for good fights' and 'playing how I want' ....then these non locked campaigns won't be empty at all and everyone will get good fights with their friends. So what's the problem?

As people keep saying, and as other people keep not listening, outside of prime time, on Xbox, every other campaign is dead.

Your deliberate mischaracterisation of it as "roleplay" demonstrates nothing but ignorance on what happens after you go to bed.

From May 2016 until march 2019 I exclusively played at Oceanic/SEA peak times. That is between 10 pm and 9am NA EST time. So please don't accuse me of being ignorant about what happens off NA peak. Oceanic/SE Asian players have a 'peak' time too.

I still play on DC Vivec NA PC on Aussie peak or NA peak depending on my guildies. I will admit XBox PvP is a mystery to me....

So the rest of your spiel is irrelevant to Xbox holders. Because you are clueless on the situation. . PLus once again ignores the fundamental issue that a lot of people have made friends across all 3 factions due to 1T.

Friends will be friends...

But the exploits are so abysmal that something has to happen. This or Cyrodill will be the home of the most toxic freakshow. No honest player is going to waste more time into stuff like preventing low pop bonus while the other low pop has their best groups running and even expanding while getting 200 points every hour. And this is just the tip of the floating iceberg.

Whenever i encounter blatant exploits i leave the zone. Funny enough that we almost queue at the teletower to PvE.

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

My question is, if there are so many people who want to flip sides whenever they choose, farm AP by resource swapping with their social guild friends (aka 'roleplaying') and Emperor farm on all their alts without worrying about the campaign outcome...behaviour usually described as 'playing with my friends' or 'bolstering the low pop side for good fights' and 'playing how I want' ....then these non locked campaigns won't be empty at all and everyone will get good fights with their friends. So what's the problem?

As people keep saying, and as other people keep not listening, outside of prime time, on Xbox, every other campaign is dead.

Your deliberate mischaracterisation of it as "roleplay" demonstrates nothing but ignorance on what happens after you go to bed.

From May 2016 until march 2019 I exclusively played at Oceanic/SEA peak times. That is between 10 pm and 9am NA EST time. So please don't accuse me of being ignorant about what happens off NA peak. Oceanic/SE Asian players have a 'peak' time too.

I still play on DC Vivec NA PC on Aussie peak or NA peak depending on my guildies. I will admit XBox PvP is a mystery to me but I do play with some console and X Box refugees. I suspect half the problem you describe is due to a low pop platform overall and locks or no locks ain't going to fix the fundamental problem of a broken platform with too few players.

As to your second point about mischaracterisation: 'Roleplaying' is the way that banned players used to justify their shenanigans (ie resource and AP farming each other by faction flipping.) Until they got banned for exploiting... Sorry if you haven't been around long enough to know that particular usage. I was using the term as an insult to them....not to genuine small group fights.

Back on the topic of locks affecting the majority of ESO PVP players. I have stood with the entire DC faction online in Vivec at Glade at Australian peak time ...all 20 of us...watching people who fought alongside us the hour before all reappear on AD toons in a huge zerg ball to gate EP and DC because, and I quote, "it's just too hard to 4 v 30 or 40 so we may as well play with the side with numbers'.

I have seen several guild leaders set their alarms and play in middle of the NA night (like 3 or 4 am) to try to rally the DC faction who do play off peak after being gated every night for 3 months straight and then watched as the DC ADand EP flippers trolled them mercilessly in zone to prevent the DC off peak pugs from being coordinated ....not to mention the scroll trolling that was coordinated by the same players' groups/'guilds'.

Ask any DC off NA peak player how many people they see who flip to support the low pop sides (which tend to be EP and DC on Vivec after the NA Peak guilds and many other NA players log off.) and they'll answer...none?

What I have seen is dozens of individuals flip to AD toons take advantage of the AD increase in pop at Oceanic/SEA peak so they could zerg surf to get AP by faction stacking and PvDooring. There are several Aussie and Asian guilds on AD who play regularly and exclusively on our Oceanic/SEA peak. They want good fights but can't get them because the DC and EP flippers see their numbers and join on AD toons just to zerg surf. So the problem of off peak imbalance is compounded further.

They couldn't do this if factions were locked for a month. This is the argument we who advocated faction locks in some form have been putting in the forums for several months/year now. This is the situation the devs were asked to investigate. That ZoS has the numbers and came up with this solution indicates either we were more rational, better informed and better at debating than the OP, Joy Division and the gang opposing faction locks; Or that ZoS checked the data and came to the same conclusion; Or both.

All I see from those opposing locks is:
1 'it won't work because of pop imbalance'...well, there is always a pop imbalance in favour of whichever faction is top of the leader board at the moment, so that doesn't fly. And there is pop imbalance at different times of the day, so that doesn't fly. What faction locking for 30 days will fix is mass guild flipping mid campaign, zone trolling, and PvEers faction stacking the winning side, at the end of campaign.

2' it won't work because I wanna play how i wanna play'.....well, you can. Just not on a 'proper' long alliance based campaign where faction stability makes a difference

3 'I don't wanna play 7 days because no one else does'....well, if all of you held hands and decided on a 7 day campaign there'd be plenty of small group fights, which you say you want and no lag, which you say you want. There are enough names in the posts in these forums to do that. JS.

As I keep saying. It would be nice to have a once only per character faction flip token to allow people to sort out their characters if they made them without having any race any alliance from the store, or when they didn't know that it would be necessary to choose a side and stick to it.

And some way of balancing the necromancer meta race influx will be necessary too.

But overall I am really happy the 30 day campaigns will be locked

DC for life!
edited for typos

If you played as often as you claimed that you did, you would know perfectly why those unlocked dead campaigns will remain dead campaigns.

You're side isnt more rational, isn't better informed, and not better at debating than "my gang," though perhaps more condescending. I just have to laugh how some "faction loyalists" think they're better people and superior gamers, whereas "faction hoppers" have done nothing but grief. Of the all the most disgusting, banable, hateful tells I have ever got playing this game, 90% of them were from diehard "faction loyalists."

I was at ZOS headquarters and spoke to them why they made the change. I have news for you, they didn't "check the data." People are just making that up as an appeal to authority fallacy, that somehow ZOS just knows. ZOS made this change because the PvP system has been busted since launch. Yes, it was busted when faction-locks were a thing and when 99% of players only had one character. This is their latest attempt at a fix and it got a lot of momentum because people who play multiple factions blissfully assumed ZOS would keep things the way they were and didn't come to the forums until after ZOS made the change. If you want to say it's their own fault, that's fair and perhaps correct, but just stop with the "ZOS knows!" fantasy. ZOS doesn't know. Because if they did, Cyrodiil would have more to it that just zerging around the emperor ring, PvDooring keeps for 6K AP, and actual AvAvA features for solo players.