The problem with faction lock for the veteran PvP players

ks888 · May 2019

@Ahtu "Winning", truly winning, means your opponent had a fighting chance. Because hockey is the only sport worth following imo, when hoisting the Cup above your head - is it more gratifying when you breeze through the playoffs or is it more special when you know you worked your tail off for it? I'm gonna go with the latter.

PvP on Vivec well it's like going to Globetrotters game (basketball is lame, but it's the example I'm going with). You know the biggest zerg is gonna win every time because they outnumber their opponents throughout most of the day. At which point, chatting with your friends is the fun half-time show because you know the outcome of the game. If it's the same outcome over and over, are you gonna want season tickets? Probably not, but it's cool for a weekend.

Miriel · May 2019

ks888 wrote: »

@Ahtu "Winning", truly winning, means your opponent had a fighting chance. Because hockey is the only sport worth following imo, when hoisting the Cup above your head - is it more gratifying when you breeze through the playoffs or is it more special when you know you worked your tail off for it? I'm gonna go with the latter.

PvP on Vivec well it's like going to Globetrotters game (basketball is lame, but it's the example I'm going with). You know the biggest zerg is gonna win every time because they outnumber their opponents throughout most of the day. At which point, chatting with your friends is the fun half-time show because you know the outcome of the game. If it's the same outcome over and over, are you gonna want season tickets? Probably not, but it's cool for a weekend.

In the early days of ESO, the first months AD was so dominant they owned mostly all servers, this was a time when we had faction locks, do you know what happened ?... the player base corected the problem by them self, MOst of the succesfull guilds in dc and ep, are old AD guilds that migrated to create some balance...

There was even drama over one guild that left AD, went to EP, and some wanted to go back to AD, and the guild split in half...

But my point is still, you can be friends with people on your side, and people yo fight, some of my best friends in ESO, and people i chat with the most are people that are my enemies, that i for some reason "yelled" at and in some mysterious way we got friends... but factions need to be kept to each side, as it is now, people bandwagon, couse no one want to be on the loosing side, its to easy to do... The balance will corect itself to a certain degree, wich i can point to, is what exactly happened... but creating new accounts and switching accounts, is alot more of a issue, then just swtich character, espechially on weekends when ques can be rather long...

This promotes people to stick to their own side...

Dominion_Nightblade · May 2019

I'm resubbing after a year and a half just because of faction locks. Not because I think faction locks will solve any problems, but because that is how, I as a faction loyalists, want to play the game. With faction locks.

ks888 · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

ks888 wrote: »

@Ahtu "Winning", truly winning, means your opponent had a fighting chance. Because hockey is the only sport worth following imo, when hoisting the Cup above your head - is it more gratifying when you breeze through the playoffs or is it more special when you know you worked your tail off for it? I'm gonna go with the latter.

PvP on Vivec well it's like going to Globetrotters game (basketball is lame, but it's the example I'm going with). You know the biggest zerg is gonna win every time because they outnumber their opponents throughout most of the day. At which point, chatting with your friends is the fun half-time show because you know the outcome of the game. If it's the same outcome over and over, are you gonna want season tickets? Probably not, but it's cool for a weekend.

In the early days of ESO, the first months AD was so dominant they owned mostly all servers, this was a time when we had faction locks, do you know what happened ?... the player base corected the problem by them self, MOst of the succesfull guilds in dc and ep, are old AD guilds that migrated to create some balance...

There was even drama over one guild that left AD, went to EP, and some wanted to go back to AD, and the guild split in half...

But my point is still, you can be friends with people on your side, and people yo fight, some of my best friends in ESO, and people i chat with the most are people that are my enemies, that i for some reason "yelled" at and in some mysterious way we got friends... but factions need to be kept to each side, as it is now, people bandwagon, couse no one want to be on the loosing side, its to easy to do... The balance will corect itself to a certain degree, wich i can point to, is what exactly happened... but creating new accounts and switching accounts, is alot more of a issue, then just swtich character, espechially on weekends when ques can be rather long...

This promotes people to stick to their own side...

@Miriel Faction locks prevent those of us who want to swap to create balance from doing so... Balance on the map changes throughout the day. If my guildies an I see that EP owns most of the map, why on earth would I want to log into my EP toon? I don't. I'll want to get on my DC or AD instead of mindlessly zerging across an uncontested map.

Alomar · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

ks888 wrote: »

@Ahtu "Winning", truly winning, means your opponent had a fighting chance. Because hockey is the only sport worth following imo, when hoisting the Cup above your head - is it more gratifying when you breeze through the playoffs or is it more special when you know you worked your tail off for it? I'm gonna go with the latter.

PvP on Vivec well it's like going to Globetrotters game (basketball is lame, but it's the example I'm going with). You know the biggest zerg is gonna win every time because they outnumber their opponents throughout most of the day. At which point, chatting with your friends is the fun half-time show because you know the outcome of the game. If it's the same outcome over and over, are you gonna want season tickets? Probably not, but it's cool for a weekend.

In the early days of ESO, the first months AD was so dominant they owned mostly all servers, this was a time when we had faction locks, do you know what happened ?... the player base corected the problem by them self, MOst of the succesfull guilds in dc and ep, are old AD guilds that migrated to create some balance...

There was even drama over one guild that left AD, went to EP, and some wanted to go back to AD, and the guild split in half...

But my point is still, you can be friends with people on your side, and people yo fight, some of my best friends in ESO, and people i chat with the most are people that are my enemies, that i for some reason "yelled" at and in some mysterious way we got friends... but factions need to be kept to each side, as it is now, people bandwagon, couse no one want to be on the loosing side, its to easy to do... The balance will corect itself to a certain degree, wich i can point to, is what exactly happened... but creating new accounts and switching accounts, is alot more of a issue, then just swtich character, espechially on weekends when ques can be rather long...

This promotes people to stick to their own side...

So, not getting into an arguement about something that won't be changed because ZOS doesn't care about the pvp population's opinions. Yet, that is not a good comparison as that time period and the faction's "pvp population imbalance" from a game's launch cannot be carried and over into a situation 5 years post-launch. Players at launch have no idea of the size of a population a faction will have, the amount of guilds that faction will have, or the overall popularity that faction will have with the average casual un-guildied player.

It's like going in blind, because even if you looked at some forums or fansites only a minority actually uses those/these or even cares for them. I know because I myself was a part of that "ad guild that went ep" you mentioned. I told my guild mates pre-launch AD was going to be overpopulated and had too many guilds, but I just expected that and didn't have any evidence to back it up. No one listened and AD dominated the first 6 months or so harshly. This is a different scenario, at a different time, with different variables, and a 30 day faction switch window with the ability of players to address imbalance.

Alright let the hating continue

Durham · May 2019

I agree with what you have said ... However its not just in same spot its balled up with in 12 meter area spamming AOE that really lags the server. On Shore there can be 3 bars across at Primetime and a faction can stack and the lag will be significantly less there. If a ball group shows up from Vevic, guess what happens on Shore? During that faction stack we all start to lag horribly. We have seen this so many times I have lost count during the past year on shore.

Miriel · May 2019

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Elong · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Where is your proof that people who play multiple factions don't play nice, and how does this stop being who don't faction swap from not playing nice?

Miriel · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Where is your proof that people who play multiple factions don't play nice, and how does this stop being who don't faction swap from not playing nice?

Its my opinion that it is, there seems to be alot that share this opinion with me... but if you want proof, is probably the change comming...

Elong, what proof do you have that it isnt like this, and people dosent change factions to instantly bandwagon to the winning side, couse there is a very akward correspondance, that people just happen to leave, or a loosing side loose numbers... except people saying they want to "help"...

I mean if what you say is true, why is for example DC staking two raids during certain hours, when AD for example barely have a handfull defending back keeps, IF people wanted to even the balance they would change factions, right, i never ever see it happen... all i see is winning side being stronger

So during the years these people could have balanced the factions, from huge pop inbalance, they dident...

Elong · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Where is your proof that people who play multiple factions don't play nice, and how does this stop being who don't faction swap from not playing nice?

Its my opinion that it is, there seems to be alot that share this opinion with me... but if you want proof, is probably the change comming...

Elong, what proof do you have that it isnt like this, and people dosent change factions to instantly bandwagon to the winning side, couse there is a very akward correspondance, that people just happen to leave, or a loosing side loose numbers... except people saying they want to "help"...

I mean if what you say is true, why is for example DC staking two raids during certain hours, when AD for example barely have a handfull defending back keeps, IF people wanted to even the balance they would change factions, right, i never ever see it happen... all i see is winning side being stronger

So during the years these people could have balanced the factions, from huge pop inbalance, they dident...

Firstly the burden of proof isn't on me, I haven't asked for a change , and you've accused people of not playing nice, not me : )

Secondly, the more logical explanation would be that the factions are populated on the whole by people who play at certain times. AD have 3 guilds that regularly play late at night until a certain time, and then 2 DC guilds start up an hour after them. EP has one mass guild that raids during the prime time and will stay on longer if there is more things to PVDoor or else they log for the night, and I don't see them on other factions.

Of course a few people swap around, not enough to change the course of the map. No guilds do this for map play.

Thirdly, people swapping to other sides, isn't playing badly, it has been a part of ESO for years now. If they want to change it, we're powerless to stop them, but to say it is because people don't play nice is ludicrous. There's people I don't want to Emp on my faction, I'm gonna put 20 oils down. If I want to be a ***, I'll throw my scroll into the slaughterfish. These types of scenarios occur within the faction, not from faction swappers.

bmesi · May 2019

Imagine playing eso and having to worry about faction locks LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

ks888 · May 2019

@bmesi Afro 0 the bomblade that got away

bmesi · May 2019

:-)))))))) Hi Norri

Kikke · May 2019

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

CatchMeTrolling · May 2019

The faction locks just stopping people from getting rewards but they can still join if they don’t care about rewards?

Elong · May 2019

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Enkil · May 2019

Such nonsense about faction hopping to balance things out. ESO PvP design favors zerging, hoarding scrolls, emperorship, and grants increasingly powerful bonuses to the already most powerful and dominating faction. The system is designed and built to disfavor and eliminate balance, and rapidly escalate and exacerbate power disparities.

There will never be balance until the devs forsake that extremely flawed design philosophy and take steps to bring about a better system. First there would need to be a paradigm shift... (is the current dev team even capable of that, and if so do they really even give a F about PvP tho?) Hey @ZOS_BrianWheeler , what do u think buddy?

Kadoin · May 2019

Ranger209 wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

ks888 wrote: »

It is possible to play for the side you're on at the time.

It's pretty clear a lot of players don't have the mental flexibility to be able to understand this.

No we have the mental flexibility to understand that there are no sides when everyone plays for all of them.

LOL, no. That's not what it means, it means my reds can play for red, my blues can play for blue, without cheating/trolling/sabotaging. My characters have sides (and fight furiously for them).

Maybe it would help if I said it's kind of like how I can play a female character despite not being in possession of any female body parts myself.

No, people who swap factions don't fight for any sides they fight for themselves, its all about them and they don't care who wins because they always win on one character or another, regardless of their anatomical make up. When you fight furiously for a faction, and 5 minutes later fight furiously against them, your not really fighting for them at all, its just for you and your close knit group of other furiously fighting faction swappers.

Actually even with the lock, I could care less about who won the campaign, but maybe it was just me. Oh wait, no it wasn't since everyone else gave up and there were only 5-10 players left vs. 150+ on two factions.

Players have and always will fight for themselves, and that's why no faction on the game is actually unified 100% nor will they always win. But with a lock they will once everyone picks the side that has the off-hours presence and most players at all times - the exact thing faction lock supports want to stop

Can't wait to read the forums when the lock comes. Gonna be very entertaining if ZOS doesn't make siege and/or guards stronger when the population difference is too great, or implement other systems to stop #s from always winning with zero effort. I won't be in Cyro for lock .

Beardimus · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

Elong · May 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

Enkil · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

Those damn bad apples... always spoiling everything for the rest of us. Aren’t we all playing the same game and witnessing the same shenanigans day in and day out? I suspect you know exactly why.

Elong · May 2019

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

Those damn bad apples... always spoiling everything for the rest of us. Aren’t we all playing the same game and witnessing the same shenanigans day in and day out? I suspect you know exactly why.

There's bad apples everywhere, PVE, PVP, RP...yet only PVP is stripped of the 1T idea.

Montimer94 · May 2019

Well I always thought faction locks would be great to stop faction hoppers who change to the faction which is winning. But after hitting Rank 50 with my main and now that my friends play another faction, the problem comes: play with my faction since the last 2-3 years and where I know lots of people or play with my friends who I really want to play with.

I don’t think it’s the same changing faction because yours is losing or just for another reasons like mine, but now I realize faction locks will affect everybody in the same way!

And finally, just one fact that many people seems to forget about: it’s just a game 😁

ellahellabella · May 2019

Enkil wrote: »

Such nonsense about faction hopping to balance things out. ESO PvP design favors zerging, hoarding scrolls, emperorship, and grants increasingly powerful bonuses to the already most powerful and dominating faction. The system is designed and built to disfavor and eliminate balance, and rapidly escalate and exacerbate power disparities.

There will never be balance until the devs forsake that extremely flawed design philosophy and take steps to bring about a better system. First there would need to be a paradigm shift... (is the current dev team even capable of that, and if so do they really even give a F about PvP tho?) Hey @ZOS_BrianWheeler , what do u think buddy?

I agree that a system needs a fresh idea to stop any hopping or scroll trolling but a faction lock is simply another attempt at a bandaid fix on Zeni's behalf and it just won't work.

ellahellabella · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

My vBrp group is all EP because I can't stand someone in ad or dc coming to help me complete difficult content! Faction lock pve too!

In case the sarcasm was missed, we're all on ep from sheer luck. But wouldn't it be [snip] storm for pve to suddenly have the freedom 1T gave only for half of their friends to be then unable to play with them. Wait hang on...

[edited for profanity bypass]

Enkil · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

Those damn bad apples... always spoiling everything for the rest of us. Aren’t we all playing the same game and witnessing the same shenanigans day in and day out? I suspect you know exactly why.

There's bad apples everywhere, PVE, PVP, RP...yet only PVP is stripped of the 1T idea.

[snip] is the 1T idea? U coining a new phrase?

PvP has always been the neglected stepchild in ESO... many of us hoped way back in 2013ish that ESO would become the big dominant and preeminent PvP game... However, ESO’s dev’s have squandered and *** that up royally several times over...

[edited for profanity bypass]

Elong · May 2019

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

Those damn bad apples... always spoiling everything for the rest of us. Aren’t we all playing the same game and witnessing the same shenanigans day in and day out? I suspect you know exactly why.

There's bad apples everywhere, PVE, PVP, RP...yet only PVP is stripped of the 1T idea.

[snip] is the 1T idea? U coining a new phrase?

PvP has always been the neglected stepchild in ESO... many of us hoped way back in 2013ish that ESO would become the big dominant and preeminent PvP game... However, ESO’s dev’s have squandered and *** that up royally several times over...

1 Tamriel was play how you want with who you want.

[edited to remove quote]

Miriel · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

@Alomar @ks888

If that was the case, its good that some do as you say, you want to balance the campaign, the problem is, you seem to be a very very tiny portion that want to fix it... the majority dosent do what you say you want to do... People bandwagon to the winning side, couse its to simple to do, that dosent fix the problem, it makes it worse...

sorry but the change is needed couse people cant play nice, if people dident bandwagon to the winning side, then faction locks wouldent be needed... you ofcourse isnt the issue, but as said, your not fixing the issue as is...

Where is your proof that people who play multiple factions don't play nice, and how does this stop being who don't faction swap from not playing nice?

Its my opinion that it is, there seems to be alot that share this opinion with me... but if you want proof, is probably the change comming...

Elong, what proof do you have that it isnt like this, and people dosent change factions to instantly bandwagon to the winning side, couse there is a very akward correspondance, that people just happen to leave, or a loosing side loose numbers... except people saying they want to "help"...

I mean if what you say is true, why is for example DC staking two raids during certain hours, when AD for example barely have a handfull defending back keeps, IF people wanted to even the balance they would change factions, right, i never ever see it happen... all i see is winning side being stronger

So during the years these people could have balanced the factions, from huge pop inbalance, they dident...

Firstly the burden of proof isn't on me, I haven't asked for a change , and you've accused people of not playing nice, not me : )

Secondly, the more logical explanation would be that the factions are populated on the whole by people who play at certain times. AD have 3 guilds that regularly play late at night until a certain time, and then 2 DC guilds start up an hour after them. EP has one mass guild that raids during the prime time and will stay on longer if there is more things to PVDoor or else they log for the night, and I don't see them on other factions.

Of course a few people swap around, not enough to change the course of the map. No guilds do this for map play.

Thirdly, people swapping to other sides, isn't playing badly, it has been a part of ESO for years now. If they want to change it, we're powerless to stop them, but to say it is because people don't play nice is ludicrous. There's people I don't want to Emp on my faction, I'm gonna put 20 oils down. If I want to be a ***, I'll throw my scroll into the slaughterfish. These types of scenarios occur within the faction, not from faction swappers.

The burdon on truth is on you, the change is comming and i can only asume ESO knows what their doing...

Again, you can try put this on me all you want, change is still commig, people dident use the free faction hopping to balance the gap in numbers, so there is never been any reason for faction hops, if you really want to you still can, just not easy and fast... And you can still play with friends, your choise...

Miriel · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

The true PROBLEM with faction locks is that they cant come fast enough! GIVE THEM TODAY! Sick and tired of the factionless, begone already!

But you're happy to clear all those PVE trials you've listed in your footnote with players from other factions.

Listen there are some good responses about why faction hopping needs to be an option (which it is with the current plan by ZOS) but this is just some weird out of place ad hominem response.

Clearly no one cares about the factions where they don't matter. Though i will say One Tamriel was handled pretty poorly as one minute im fighting off the Covenant the next minute they running all around town and no one cares. At least Cadwells Silver / Gold had some weird caveat to explain it.

Anyway this is totally off track, the point is about PvP Clearly

No what I mean is people don't want faction locks for PVE content, only PVP, and I don't understand why.

Those damn bad apples... always spoiling everything for the rest of us. Aren’t we all playing the same game and witnessing the same shenanigans day in and day out? I suspect you know exactly why.

There's bad apples everywhere, PVE, PVP, RP...yet only PVP is stripped of the 1T idea.

[snip] is the 1T idea? U coining a new phrase?

PvP has always been the neglected stepchild in ESO... many of us hoped way back in 2013ish that ESO would become the big dominant and preeminent PvP game... However, ESO’s dev’s have squandered and *** that up royally several times over...

1 Tamriel was play how you want with who you want.

you still can...

I hope you like grinding up max CP on a new account... by by faction hoppers

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Diundriel · May 2019

btw to everyone that thinks this will make People loyal to one faction….it wont.
we will prove that by switching every 30 days or second accounts

; tho second Option gonna take some time ...