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Skyshard crown cost
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Bealeb319✭✭✭✭Shouldn't it be one flat rate to scale a character to the highest skyshard amount of your other characters? Selling skyshards that people have not gotten on any of their characters is p2w. You are buying something you never earned0 -
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✭Shouldn't it be one flat rate to scale a character to the highest skyshard amount of your other characters? Selling skyshards that people have not gotten on any of their characters is p2w. You are buying something you never earned
You have to have earned the skyshard hunter achievements to be able to purchase.1 -
Mz_Jo✭✭✭At this point my main has all the skyshards. 5 more toons have done most of the chore/grind. I have 3 more to go and of course Elswyere and possibly another toon, oh nothing but dread fills my soul then the thought of more hunting for skyshards!
We aren't even talking about the many skill points being left behind. Or the lorebook grinding to be done for magica toons!
I don't think we should have to pay for this at all. Just like when we get our new toon to level 50 bam max champion points. There's still a lot of grinding to do for your toons to be developed and skill points to get!
Even so, I'm sure that "Zenimax My credit Card " will want to take this opportunity to over capitalize on this. With a new chapter costing $49 , it wouldn't surprise me that the skyshards costs as much if not more than the virtual houses. 3xs the price of chapter.
This should be a QoL especially after being a console player since launch.
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✭✭✭✭✭Based on previous pricing practices for these sorts of things, the cost will be absolutely exorbitant because they'll be banking on purchases by "whale" type customers, not average customers. So for most people even one zone will be prohibitively expensive (just like it is for race change, riding lessons, inventory space, research scrolls, etc.) but they'll get a small handful of players literally dropping tens of thousands of dollars on it because they can.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »My experienced guess would be 250 or 400 each but there will most likely be no communication on it until we see it live.
+ I was simply hoping they were going to add an "all zones" option... wishful thinking though.
I was soooo hoping for this.
As someone who:
- Has all Skyshards and skill points possible on my main
- Has 14 and soon at least 16 characters
- Obtained about 30% of skyshards with other characters
- Did the Mages Guild 6 times
- Did the Psijic line 9 times
- Leveled all crafting to 50 on most of my characters
I was hoping that all skyshards would cost about 30% per character.
There's a breakpoint for me at which I won't buy if it's too ludicrous. At 30$ per character, that would be a chunk of change but I'd probably afford it. Any higher and I'm out of the skyshard purchasing game...
As for those *** say that's p2w, I'd make them realize that it is situational. I've done so much legwork to get to where I am that farming for skyshard will take my enjoyment of the game away again (I've had the blues a few times).
I just hope the achivements are not cost-prohibitive....
Are you saying $30 per character for all the skyshards? Or do you mean per zone?
Because if you mean all the skyshards, I think you are going way too low.
Consider this: What dollar amount would you put on the time it takes to collect all the skyshards on a character? The amount ZOS will charge will likely be higher than that, because they already stated they don't want to devalue time spent playing.
Yeah, 30 dollars per character is Dreamworld stuff.0 -
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✭At this point my main has all the skyshards. 5 more toons have done most of the chore/grind. I have 3 more to go and of course Elswyere and possibly another toon, oh nothing but dread fills my soul then the thought of more hunting for skyshards!
We aren't even talking about the many skill points being left behind. Or the lorebook grinding to be done for magica toons!
I don't think we should have to pay for this at all. Just like when we get our new toon to level 50 bam max champion points. There's still a lot of grinding to do for your toons to be developed and skill points to get!
Even so, I'm sure that "Zenimax My credit Card " will want to take this opportunity to over capitalize on this. With a new chapter costing $49 , it wouldn't surprise me that the skyshards costs as much if not more than the virtual houses. 3xs the price of chapter.
This should be a QoL especially after being a console player since launch.
The grind is real!
Yeah I wish it was included as a simple QoL update...
Alas, we have to pay up for that skip feature...
The the guy right above thinks 30$ is dreamworld stuff lol. What kind of world do we live in? Lol. At 30$ a character, it would cost me almost 400$ to upgrade all my toons... That's Dreamworld stuff lol...0 -
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✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »At this point my main has all the skyshards. 5 more toons have done most of the chore/grind. I have 3 more to go and of course Elswyere and possibly another toon, oh nothing but dread fills my soul then the thought of more hunting for skyshards!
We aren't even talking about the many skill points being left behind. Or the lorebook grinding to be done for magica toons!
I don't think we should have to pay for this at all. Just like when we get our new toon to level 50 bam max champion points. There's still a lot of grinding to do for your toons to be developed and skill points to get!
Even so, I'm sure that "Zenimax My credit Card " will want to take this opportunity to over capitalize on this. With a new chapter costing $49 , it wouldn't surprise me that the skyshards costs as much if not more than the virtual houses. 3xs the price of chapter.
This should be a QoL especially after being a console player since launch.
The grind is real!
Yeah I wish it was included as a simple QoL update...
Alas, we have to pay up for that skip feature...
The the guy right above thinks 30$ is dreamworld stuff lol. What kind of world do we live in? Lol. At 30$ a character, it would cost me almost 400$ to upgrade all my toons... That's Dreamworld stuff lol...
$30 is dreamworld stuff
No way in hell are you getting end-game sufficient skillpoints for less than $100 per characters
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✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
What a disgusting display your begging is, don't you have any sense of pride? You guys wished for this, even mocked people who wanted that to be implemented into the game. Now show some spine and buy it.CleymenZero wrote: »Please @ZOS_GinaBruno, release an account-wide package at a respectable price! 😭😭
Edit: I know you're community manager but you have to have some pull over marketing! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I must've collected 1600-1800 skyshards until now, I'm done! I'm usually cheap but now I'm willing to pay, just not a stupid amount...
Self-righteous are we? I didn't ask for this but and don't want it if it's not gonna be account-wide. If you look in the history of threads a lot went like: "Please make skyshards account wide". Never made a thread like this but saw them.
Now get real kid, nobody asked for per-zone, per-character system at wtv Crowns a pop. THAT should be disgusting to you if you have half a mind. I don't know if you read this properly but I'll repeat again for you: nobody asked for THIS.
I never thought ZOS would go down that road, I thought it would never happen, not because I was averse to the concept, I just didn't believe it would happen. Seeing it will happen, I'm hoping for a reasonable outcome.
The forum warrior is talking about pride? Before you insult me look at yourself first, you're coming into a thread about something you have no interest in (assuming from your disgust). Tell me, is this p2w to you? What irks you about this happening? Is it destroying the sanctity of your game? Tell me, how are you so hostile?
No, but there were plenty of warnings that if people asked for account-wide skyshards then this is what they would get. There was never the slightest possibility that skyshards would be unlocked for free, it was always going to be done through the Crown Store if it was to be done at all. That's why a lot of players are critical of it - not the ones that are complaining about the likely pricing but rather those concerned that it's another step down the slippery slope of monetisation.
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✭All I really want from this if I do end up buying (I don't even have all skyshards yet
) is that when I buy a pack, my character will light up as bright as all those skyshards put together until it burns my retinas and I'll forever be reminded not to spend my money on pointless *** like this. 0 -
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✭CleymenZero wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
What a disgusting display your begging is, don't you have any sense of pride? You guys wished for this, even mocked people who wanted that to be implemented into the game. Now show some spine and buy it.CleymenZero wrote: »Please @ZOS_GinaBruno, release an account-wide package at a respectable price! 😭😭
Edit: I know you're community manager but you have to have some pull over marketing! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I must've collected 1600-1800 skyshards until now, I'm done! I'm usually cheap but now I'm willing to pay, just not a stupid amount...
Self-righteous are we? I didn't ask for this but and don't want it if it's not gonna be account-wide. If you look in the history of threads a lot went like: "Please make skyshards account wide". Never made a thread like this but saw them.
Now get real kid, nobody asked for per-zone, per-character system at wtv Crowns a pop. THAT should be disgusting to you if you have half a mind. I don't know if you read this properly but I'll repeat again for you: nobody asked for THIS.
I never thought ZOS would go down that road, I thought it would never happen, not because I was averse to the concept, I just didn't believe it would happen. Seeing it will happen, I'm hoping for a reasonable outcome.
The forum warrior is talking about pride? Before you insult me look at yourself first, you're coming into a thread about something you have no interest in (assuming from your disgust). Tell me, is this p2w to you? What irks you about this happening? Is it destroying the sanctity of your game? Tell me, how are you so hostile?
No, but there were plenty of warnings that if people asked for account-wide skyshards then this is what they would get. There was never the slightest possibility that skyshards would be unlocked for free, it was always going to be done through the Crown Store if it was to be done at all. That's why a lot of players are critical of it - not the ones that are complaining about the likely pricing but rather those concerned that it's another step down the slippery slope of monetisation.
My statements were specific to this guy's going like: "YOU wanted this shet, now PAY for it"
Like I said, I never expected anything initially, now that I see it coming, I'm hoping it won't be useless as in implemented stupidly.
I don't what the warnings were. Of course we could expect this to be monetized but people are expecting a high price mainly because they're jaded... People don't react, they just complain and do nothing. Customers speak with their money. There being no solidarity makes it that people who don't know the value of money will pay and people that do won't buy and complain in the forums.
Based on the estimated price by the community, I won't be buying at all but there will only be few like me and that's why the prices will remain stupidly high. Even buying "one or 2 packs" will enable and maintain the price as high as it is expected by the community.
And let's face it, you're a ZOS employee surveying the forums for community feedback and you see in threads discussing this feature that everyone is expecting a high price, what will you report? "The feedback has been significantly negative" or "most users on the forum are expecting 1.5k per zone"...
It's hard to blame anyone since it's the usual dynamics. Until there's significant unrest, there won't be any changes...0 -
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✭CleymenZero wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
What a disgusting display your begging is, don't you have any sense of pride? You guys wished for this, even mocked people who wanted that to be implemented into the game. Now show some spine and buy it.CleymenZero wrote: »Please @ZOS_GinaBruno, release an account-wide package at a respectable price! 😭😭
Edit: I know you're community manager but you have to have some pull over marketing! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I must've collected 1600-1800 skyshards until now, I'm done! I'm usually cheap but now I'm willing to pay, just not a stupid amount...
Self-righteous are we? I didn't ask for this but and don't want it if it's not gonna be account-wide. If you look in the history of threads a lot went like: "Please make skyshards account wide". Never made a thread like this but saw them.
Now get real kid, nobody asked for per-zone, per-character system at wtv Crowns a pop. THAT should be disgusting to you if you have half a mind. I don't know if you read this properly but I'll repeat again for you: nobody asked for THIS.
I never thought ZOS would go down that road, I thought it would never happen, not because I was averse to the concept, I just didn't believe it would happen. Seeing it will happen, I'm hoping for a reasonable outcome.
The forum warrior is talking about pride? Before you insult me look at yourself first, you're coming into a thread about something you have no interest in (assuming from your disgust). Tell me, is this p2w to you? What irks you about this happening? Is it destroying the sanctity of your game? Tell me, how are you so hostile?
No, but there were plenty of warnings that if people asked for account-wide skyshards then this is what they would get. There was never the slightest possibility that skyshards would be unlocked for free, it was always going to be done through the Crown Store if it was to be done at all. That's why a lot of players are critical of it - not the ones that are complaining about the likely pricing but rather those concerned that it's another step down the slippery slope of monetisation.
I get your point regarding monetization. It could definitely cheapen the experience. I'm disappointed that skyshards are getting monetized but can accept it, the price for me will be the most disappointing aspect of this new change. I'm also willing to accept skyshards being available through Crown Store but have a harder time to accept skill lines being monetized.
I wish there was a way to accelerate the grind for the different skill lines and skyshards without going through the store... I wish there was like a reduction of 5% in required Mages Guild experience every time you completed it on an alt. The uselessly grindy psijic order portals could become closer and closer as you complete it with different characters, reducing travel time. The shame could be done with skyshards and delve skyshards could be put at the front door after you've collected all skyshards with 1-2 character.
You could also skip all quest "cutscenes" and dialog to make quests you've done a few times more breezy...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You know.... they're going to charge you all the earth, the moon, and all the galaxies for this. Because some of you want the shortcuts, you'll pay whatever it costs.
This won't be the first time a game has offered a "pay to bypass playing" option. And it won't be the last. I myself paid for several level 90s in WoW (after I already had 40, which covered close to every race and class). But of course, blizz went down a road I didn't care to travel, so all those girls are still just sitting there on all their gold (a LOT of gold.... millions, actually almost a billion over all of them....) but hey, game wasn't going to be fun after WoD, so I wasn't paying or playing any more. Canceled 7 accounts. Never been back.0 -
Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »Do you sell to a handful of whales something at 300$ a pop or sell to a VERY LARGE user-base at 30-35$ a pop?.
H-have you seen housing? H-have you seen the crown store?
They would much rather sell to whales because whoever handles their Crown Store definitely has no background in any economic standing I have ever seen.
Seriously, any other company by now would have released "new" mini pets that were just recolors and dropped their prices by 2/3s the original just to sell more to the populace. Same with mounts.
Hell any other company would have put in a cheap hair dye change option for like 50 crowns by now because players would change their hair color once or twice a month! Or better yet, permanent collectible hairdyes!
Skyshards will probably cost 200-250 crowns per skyshard the zone has for an average price of 1800-2250 crowns for a zone set. Which will make me and several other players not bother with it because it would average out to $18 in crowns for 3 skill points.Edited by Kittytravel on 6 May 2019 04:470 -
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✭Sylvermynx wrote: »You know.... they're going to charge you all the earth, the moon, and all the galaxies for this. Because some of you want the shortcuts, you'll pay whatever it costs.
This won't be the first time a game has offered a "pay to bypass playing" option. And it won't be the last. I myself paid for several level 90s in WoW (after I already had 40, which covered close to every race and class). But of course, blizz went down a road I didn't care to travel, so all those girls are still just sitting there on all their gold (a LOT of gold.... millions, actually almost a billion over all of them....) but hey, game wasn't going to be fun after WoD, so I wasn't paying or playing any more. Canceled 7 accounts. Never been back.
I get what you say. It just looks like they are not going to charge me anything. I just stocked on Crowns for nothing. I'm a person of principle, I've broken a few since I started this game but this is my limit.
Never bought a house because I could never fathom paying 100$ for a piece of virtual land. I was of course super happy they gave a large one out.
I only buy Crowns when on special and only buy items that upgrade the account (character slots, Imperial upgrade, any race any alliance etc.). I guess I'm just not their target customer. I still spent over 1k$ on this game in 2 years... It just looks like won't be spending a dime on skyshards. Not that I didn't want to but they're surely gonna price me out of this market.Edited by CleymenZero on 6 May 2019 05:420 -
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✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »I think you have to also attach a $ value to a skill point.
A skill point is worth about 0.20-0.25 cents to me. At that price, we easily reach 35$+, I don't think it's unreasonable.
At 1.5k Crowns per zone, it's over for me lol. The dream dies forever......
Exactly this.
I love the way peeps keep running the con 'just want to buy the skyshards'.
No. You want to buy the Skill points.
And THAT is the very definition of Pay to Win.
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ThePlayer✭✭✭✭Many players have now + 6alts, ZOS can't expect you to pay for every character .... maybe yes, but it's something I'll never do.
They should sell skyshards for accounts, something like:
EP + DC + AD regions skyshards = 5k crowns for account unlock
Cyrodiil skyshards = 4k crowns for account unlock
6 DLC skyshards = 3k crowns for account unlock
They can't put too much cost on something that should be free.
If the price is high i will continue to get my rides in Tamriel in search of skyshard, no problem.0 -
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✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »And THAT is the very definition of Pay to Win.
Only in a really odd perspective.
I have only been playing 6 months or so and I am tired of grinding skyshards on new characters (I have too many alts) so I can level up crafting on everyone. The only thing I will "win" is the ability to do crafting on more characters at higher levels. I fail to see how that breaks anything.
Though I will not pay the guessed prices here, so it won't impact me at all.
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✭I wager that they'll be 5500 crowns per zone.
If this is based off the overpriced werewolf cure / vampire cure, and the bites.. Quite possibly, /sadDaggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »At this point my main has all the skyshards. 5 more toons have done most of the chore/grind. I have 3 more to go and of course Elswyere and possibly another toon, oh nothing but dread fills my soul then the thought of more hunting for skyshards!
We aren't even talking about the many skill points being left behind. Or the lorebook grinding to be done for magica toons!
I don't think we should have to pay for this at all. Just like when we get our new toon to level 50 bam max champion points. There's still a lot of grinding to do for your toons to be developed and skill points to get!
Even so, I'm sure that "Zenimax My credit Card " will want to take this opportunity to over capitalize on this. With a new chapter costing $49 , it wouldn't surprise me that the skyshards costs as much if not more than the virtual houses. 3xs the price of chapter.
This should be a QoL especially after being a console player since launch.
The grind is real!
Yeah I wish it was included as a simple QoL update...
Alas, we have to pay up for that skip feature...
The the guy right above thinks 30$ is dreamworld stuff lol. What kind of world do we live in? Lol. At 30$ a character, it would cost me almost 400$ to upgrade all my toons... That's Dreamworld stuff lol...
$30 is dreamworld stuff
No way in hell are you getting end-game sufficient skillpoints for less than $100 per characters
My guess is at least 1500 crowns per zone, optimistically
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RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »Facefister wrote: »@CleymenZero
Your problem that it is too expensive for you. ZoS is a business, not your friend. I can't wait until they introduce the Guilds too. Maybe if you beg hard enough they make them giftable.
Pretty much done with them Bobby so I won't be buying either.
My problem is that it could be expensive to a point where there's no sense in buying them st all. I'm saying in other posts that I think 300$ for account-wide unlock would be reasonable. At that price, sales would be higher than they would be otherwise. ZOS is banking on the fact that, on the long term, users are not going to realize how much money they're dropping on this new feature. Skyshards are fast enough to grind where I can probably do 1 toon a day. Now I would like there to be a shortcut and my price is 300$. It's like any business deal, if my price doesn't match what you expect, no deal. Very simple. My asking nicely (saying please...) is just a plead for a "reasonable" price.
Making it 5000$ for an account makes no sense. When you don't really want to sell something, you price it higher than you would if you actually wanted to sell. If they price it ridiculously, they're telling you to just go grind them that's all. They're only going to catch the whales an the unaware.
Again, I see you're being hostile to the fact that I said please. You see this as begging, I see this as asking nicely. It's better than: "GIVE THEM TO ME FOR FREE!!". I mean, one has a better chance to succeed than the other even if it's very low.
Now you may have a sad boring life and that's why you're being so trashy to others well it might not be the case but I'll just ignore you from now on. When someone is that gratuitously hostile, there is no discussion (it's a discussion forum btw). There is no discussion with someone that's just barking at passersby.
Have a good.... Nah....
You don't get it. That wouldn't work. People talking about account unlocks or all skyshard cost per alt are missing the point.
A couple of fools might buy every skyshard, but if you are fed up with grinding skyshards you ain't gonna grind woodworking or lorebooks. So you won't be able to use the skyshards anyway. A couple of zones would be enough to unlock passives on a couple of weapons, primary armour weight, racials and class, along with a couple of skill setups. That's plenty for most ALTs.
This is also why did MUST release maxed out skill lines sooner rather than later. What's the point in buying another shard zone if I can't put the points in psijic skills?
I think prices will stay high for a long time as well. At some stage this will be a reason for streamers who make decent money to unlock everything on new ALTs. A streamer could make any viable build in a couple of hours after trying it on the PTS.0 -
RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »While I wouldn't be THRILLED with 1500 per faction I'd be much more inclined than per zone. I have friends who won't play due to the eso plus all dlc included but we'll call THESE chapters instead and charge(yes Zos, I'm sure you know the gaming community talks, and crown store nickel and dime, p2w, rumors, true or not can scare off potential customers)
Skyshard shortcut in my opinion isn't a p2w but a reasonable charge could go a long way(and possibly make you more money) to ease a money hungry, bad customer service, reputation. A charge per faction group > than charge per shard, or zone.
Glad to see there are more with a bit of hope. It would pay well in PR and in revenue if the price was relatively low (read accessible to everyone).
Looking at how pessimistic people are about the pricing on these, they would gain a bit of recognition from making these more available.
À relatively low price would net them more money I think. They'd make a huge chunk right away instead of making 1.5k crumb by crumb. The ones with 1-2 alts would buy everything right away and keep buying as they make more characters and the ones with many alts wouldn't be priced out of this feature. I gather, those with 1-2 alts would probably make a lot more characters and end up buying more as they go when they realize the huge QoL improvement that feature would bring. I'd play a lot of my alts more as well.
Finally, if this feature is expensive, it has to be account-wide to be fair to players with many and few alts.
The racial passive changes was a blow to those with many alts if there were changes, as mild as they could be, that would justify a switch... I took a hit with that, I won't with this new feature...
They are not looking to make a huge chunk straight away. They want to make it gradually. You say make it accessible to everyone, but what does that mean? People are talking about $300 for account-wide - that's INSANE money. That's not accessible to all, I pay for ESO+ and expansions, I wouldn't pay another penny. It's not about fairness, it's about extracting money from whales whilst gating it behind a grind for the vast majority of players. As before, you don't need many skyshards for a viable build.0 -
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✭Werewolf/vampire cure:
800 crowns,
in-game 500gold.
Werewolf / Vampirism:
1,500 crowns
In-game: free 99% of the time
Mounts/Rides cost 6000 crowns to max one (one of the main reasons most people don't play alts is this, 60 days or $60!)
When it comes to "p2w" stuff ZOS always increases the price to something no one in their right mind would spend.Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »You know.... they're going to charge you all the earth, the moon, and all the galaxies for this. Because some of you want the shortcuts, you'll pay whatever it costs.
This won't be the first time a game has offered a "pay to bypass playing" option. And it won't be the last. I myself paid for several level 90s in WoW (after I already had 40, which covered close to every race and class). But of course, blizz went down a road I didn't care to travel, so all those girls are still just sitting there on all their gold (a LOT of gold.... millions, actually almost a billion over all of them....) but hey, game wasn't going to be fun after WoD, so I wasn't paying or playing any more. Canceled 7 accounts. Never been back.
I get what you say. It just looks like they are not going to charge me anything. I just stocked on Crowns for nothing. I'm a person of principle, I've broken a few since I started this game but this is my limit.
Never bought a house because I could never fathom paying 100$ for a piece of virtual land. I was of course super happy they gave a large one out.
I only buy Crowns when on special and only buy items that upgrade the account (character slots, Imperial upgrade, any race any alliance etc.). I guess I'm just not their target customer. I still spent over 1k$ on this game in 2 years... It just looks like won't be spending a dime on skyshards. Not that I didn't want to but they're surely gonna price me out of this market.
You spent a grand? On a computer game? Yeah, you are their target audience.0 -
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✭barney2525 wrote: »CleymenZero wrote: »I think you have to also attach a $ value to a skill point.
A skill point is worth about 0.20-0.25 cents to me. At that price, we easily reach 35$+, I don't think it's unreasonable.
At 1.5k Crowns per zone, it's over for me lol. The dream dies forever......
Exactly this.
I love the way peeps keep running the con 'just want to buy the skyshards'.
No. You want to buy the Skill points.
And THAT is the very definition of Pay to Win.
It's very easy to make a build for PvE or PvP with few skill points. You barely need to do skyshards to get enough skill points. Do the main quest, Murkmire and Clockwork city, all public dungeons and a few Group Dungeon Quests and you've got your build. For my part, I PvP, PvE and do stuff like vMA on a regular basis on ALL 14 of my characters. That means that I constantly need to respec. Having more skill points to me is a QoL thing, definitely not Pay2Win.
I don't know if the players that call it pay2win really understand the game to a high level. More skill points does not = pay2win, it won't make your character stronger, it makes it that you'll have more skills unlocked and that you'll have more flexibility. Having more flexibility isn't p2w... The last character that I created only has 101 skill points and I can do everything with it, I just have to respec often because of lack of skill points.
I'll give you another example: my main, which has ALL skill points in the game and ALL skill lines leveled to max, isn't stronger than the last character that has 101 skill points (that is no quest skill points, 10 alliance levels and 13 Dungeon Quests). Read this again: MAX SKILL POINT MAIN IS NOT STRONGER THAN ALMOST MINIMAL SKILL POINT ALT. The maxed out one doesn't have any advantage over the low skill points one if I spec it for the same role. The only difference is one will have to respec and the other won't.
Given this, how is it pay to win to buy skill points? I want to know because from what I can tell, people who call it p2w probably have significant knowledge gaps about the game. Not having to respec makes it a QoL feature because I'll be saving a significant amount of time. If you think not having to pay gold is p2w then you have to consider that low skill points alt respec costs next to nothing... so it's just a useless and annoying time sink.
If you fully understand what I've written, I'd like to understand what you see in it that's p2w. It's pay2skip for sure but def not p2w.0 -
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✭Many players have now + 6alts, ZOS can't expect you to pay for every character .... maybe yes, but it's something I'll never do.
They should sell skyshards for accounts, something like:
EP + DC + AD regions skyshards = 5k crowns for account unlock
Cyrodiil skyshards = 4k crowns for account unlock
6 DLC skyshards = 3k crowns for account unlock
They can't put too much cost on something that should be free.
If the price is high i will continue to get my rides in Tamriel in search of skyshard, no problem.
I'm on the same page. That's exactly what's going to happen. If it's not ALT friendly, I'm out.0 -
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✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »And THAT is the very definition of Pay to Win.
Only in a really odd perspective.
I have only been playing 6 months or so and I am tired of grinding skyshards on new characters (I have too many alts) so I can level up crafting on everyone. The only thing I will "win" is the ability to do crafting on more characters at higher levels. I fail to see how that breaks anything.
Though I will not pay the guessed prices here, so it won't impact me at all.
Exactly, I won't pay if it's the guessed prices.
It's not even p2w because you could just respec it to a crafter for dailies until you need the alt for something else. You would then spec it for the role wanted and respec later. In the end, you'd spend gold on the respecs which you would've earned multiple times over doing daily writs so in the end it's a quality of life feature, not pay to win.
My opinion (and I may be wrong) is that people who call it p2w have knowledge gaps.0 -
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✭RodneyRegis wrote: »CleymenZero wrote: »Facefister wrote: »@CleymenZero
Your problem that it is too expensive for you. ZoS is a business, not your friend. I can't wait until they introduce the Guilds too. Maybe if you beg hard enough they make them giftable.
Pretty much done with them Bobby so I won't be buying either.
My problem is that it could be expensive to a point where there's no sense in buying them st all. I'm saying in other posts that I think 300$ for account-wide unlock would be reasonable. At that price, sales would be higher than they would be otherwise. ZOS is banking on the fact that, on the long term, users are not going to realize how much money they're dropping on this new feature. Skyshards are fast enough to grind where I can probably do 1 toon a day. Now I would like there to be a shortcut and my price is 300$. It's like any business deal, if my price doesn't match what you expect, no deal. Very simple. My asking nicely (saying please...) is just a plead for a "reasonable" price.
Making it 5000$ for an account makes no sense. When you don't really want to sell something, you price it higher than you would if you actually wanted to sell. If they price it ridiculously, they're telling you to just go grind them that's all. They're only going to catch the whales an the unaware.
Again, I see you're being hostile to the fact that I said please. You see this as begging, I see this as asking nicely. It's better than: "GIVE THEM TO ME FOR FREE!!". I mean, one has a better chance to succeed than the other even if it's very low.
Now you may have a sad boring life and that's why you're being so trashy to others well it might not be the case but I'll just ignore you from now on. When someone is that gratuitously hostile, there is no discussion (it's a discussion forum btw). There is no discussion with someone that's just barking at passersby.
Have a good.... Nah....
You don't get it. That wouldn't work. People talking about account unlocks or all skyshard cost per alt are missing the point.
A couple of fools might buy every skyshard, but if you are fed up with grinding skyshards you ain't gonna grind woodworking or lorebooks. So you won't be able to use the skyshards anyway. A couple of zones would be enough to unlock passives on a couple of weapons, primary armour weight, racials and class, along with a couple of skill setups. That's plenty for most ALTs.
This is also why did MUST release maxed out skill lines sooner rather than later. What's the point in buying another shard zone if I can't put the points in psijic skills?
I think prices will stay high for a long time as well. At some stage this will be a reason for streamers who make decent money to unlock everything on new ALTs. A streamer could make any viable build in a couple of hours after trying it on the PTS.
I've written a lot of posts about this because this issue is really important for me and it won't pan out how I want it I know this but I'll still keep fighting until they release the pricing.
Now to answer your post, I get every aspect of the matter, I just have MY point of view whether it matters or not.
I've said in another post that there is a per skill point value as well. Buying 1 or 2 zones to round up a build is certainly practical but people won't understand they're paying 10-15$ for 5 skill points.
I've also said that ZOS is most probably targeting the whales and the unaware. The whales will buy everything right away and spend a grand or 2 for their whole account. The unaware will buy a pack here and there over the year and end up spending hundreds without realizing it. Call it evil if you want but it's a business.
People think that me resisting means that I don't understand that ZOS is a business. I've done multiple deals in my life and negotiate EVERYTHING. You think it's not negotiable? Try at least. I'm fine with ZOS being a business, I just think there's good and bad business. It's a win-win when both parties are satisfied. You want me to pay for something that could be free but grindy? Fine now how much though? As much as 1-1.5k per zone per alt? No deal.
It won't matter, I'm a raindrop in the sea and those that are like me amount to a puddle but hear me out before you think I don't understand something.0 -
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✭They are not ever going to make it account wide, as they can make more from having it Character based.
They are hoping to sell a lot of these as player level Necromancers, and probably will, just as they will sell a lot of horse training.
The price for each zone with at least 13 Skyshards, will be probably be more than 1 months worth of ESO+ crown stipend.
Break down of Current Skyshards in Game
Aldmeri Dominion Skyshards
Khenarthi’s Roost – 6 Skyshards
Auridon – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Grahtwood – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Greenshade – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Malabal Tor – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Reaper’s March – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Daggerfall Covenant Skyshards
Stros M’kai – 3 Skyshards
Betnikh – 3 Skyshards
Glenumbra – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Stormhaven – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Rivenspire- 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Alik’r Desert – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Bangkorai – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Ebonheart Pact Skyshards
Bleakrock Isle – 3 Skyshards
Bal Foyen – 3 Skyshards
Stonefalls – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Deshaan – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Shadowfen – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Eastmarch – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
The Rift – 16 Skyshards total, 7 in delves or public dungeons.
Cyrodiil Skyshards
Aldmeri Dominion Territory – 15 Skyshards total, 6 in delves or public dungeons.
Daggerfall Covenant Territory – 15 Skyshards total, 6 in delves or public dungeons.
Ebonheart Pact Territory – 15 Skyshards total, 6 in delves or public dungeons.
On top of the Mountain – 1 Skyshard.
Imperial City Skyshards – 13 Skyshards total, 6 on the surface of the Imperial City and 7 down in the Imperial Sewers.
Craglorn Skyshards
There’s a total of 12 Skyshards in Lower Craglorn, all of them in delves or public dungeons.
There’s a total of 6 Skyshards in Upper Craglorn, all of them in delves or public dungeons.
Morrowind Skyshards (Morrowind DLC)
Vvardenfell – 18 Skyshards total, 8 in dungeons or delves.
Wrothgar Skyshards (Orsiunium DLC)
Wrothgar – 17 Skyshards total, 8 in dungeons or delves.
Hew’s Bane Skyshards (Thieves Guild DLC)
Hew’s Bane – 6 Skyshards total, 2 in dungeons or delves.
Gold Coast Skyshards (Dark Brotherhood DLC)
Gold Coast – 6 Skyshards total, 2 in dungeons or delves.
Other Skyshard Locations
The Wailing Prison –1 Skyshard.
Coldharbor – 16 Skyshards total, 7 of them in dungeons.
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