Skyshard crown cost

driosketch · May 2019

Facefister wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Grandma wrote: »

I wonder how they'll split up cyrodiil since that's the only place i won't go to on any of my toons willingly.

One package for each alliance:

The mountain skyshard is not included.

They reallysplit Cyro? My sides hurt from laughing atm haha.

I find it funny that the mountain skyshard is left out. It's almost like it's there to mock the players who don't want to go into Cyrodiil. You can run one character through each of the Alliances to get around the gate lockout, but then there is this one sky shard still left. You don't really need it, though you would pay to avoid send a dozen characters out there manually to get it, only you can't.

Karius_Imalthar · May 2019

Selling these per zone reminds me of the Johnny Long Torso bit from Mystery Science Theater 3000. Selling an action figure piece by piece. "Now altogether this hunk of rubber would go for about 8 bucks. But sold separately... can bring in $300!"

CleymenZero · May 2019

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

200 crowns per skyshard and every third is 500 because that's you're actual skillpoint.

Don't tell me that's an unreal assumption.

You're saying 1 skill point is worth 5$.!!???!!!

I hope you guys are all crazy wrong...

FierceSam · May 2019

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

Goregrinder · May 2019

I imagine it will be about 1000 crowns per individual zone, with faction areas being bundled together for a discount as a future addition to the store.

WeerW3ir · May 2019

1500-2000 per zone.

Facefister · May 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

"[...]arguing about the price"
Lol, the community in no position to even remotely to "discuss" about how something to be priced. I've said it before and I say it again, the devs and mods are not your friends or colleagues, no matter how casual they talk and answer to the community.

Universe · May 2019

Whatever you're thinking is fair, it will be double or triple that.
ZOS will want to make significant profit from this.
The potential for revenue is huge.
It is sad to see the direction the game is taking.
Skill points for money.
Skill points = power.
It will be much better if ZOS will give an in-game free/gold option to buy the Skyshards(if previously unlocked) and not by crown store exclusive.
The addition of Skyshards to the crown store is just the beginning, maxed skill lines are next.
I wonder how much time will pass until the maxed Undaunted skill line will be available for a second character at 20,000 crowns LOL

CleymenZero · May 2019

Facefister wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

"[...]arguing about the price"
Lol, the community in no position to even remotely to "discuss" about how something to be priced. I've said it before and I say it again, the devs and mods are not your friends or colleagues, no matter how casual they talk and answer to the community.

I understand that clearly but discussing it counts as community feedback.

The backlash they had with racial passive changes was enough for them to grant even more token.

They probably did market studies to establish a value per skill points let's say. Now, how much would YOU pay per skill point?
That answer will vary based on how many characters you have and what you're planning to do next. If you'd want the achievement on 14 characters, you'd want to pay less. If you have 1-2 toons, you'll be fine paying 20k Crowns per character.

Would, let's say, 50K Crowns for your whole account (current and future toons) be reasonnable? We're talking 500$!

As realistic as the estimations I see here could be, I sincerely hope there's a way to get em all at a reasonable price.

Think about it, it's 100 Crowns per $. People here are saying they expect it to be 10$ per zone. For me that's completely insane!

CleymenZero · May 2019

Universe wrote: »

Whatever you're thinking is fair, it will be double or triple that.
ZOS will want to make significant profit from this.
The potential for revenue is huge.
It is sad to see the direction the game is taking.
Skill points for money.
Skill points = power.
It will be much better if ZOS will give an in-game free/gold option to buy the Skyshards(if previously unlocked) and not by crown store exclusive.
The addition of Skyshards to the crown store is just the beginning, maxed skill lines are next.
I wonder how much time will pass until the maxed Undaunted skill line will be available for a second character at 20,000 crowns LOL

The potential for revenue depends on their pricing as well. People who don't know the value of their money will probably buy but, if it's affordable, I'm buying it for 14+15 characters, if it's priced like some are suggesting, I'm buying none...

There should be an account-wide option like people were asking. Let's say 30-45k Crowns for the whole account. People were asking for account wide not for individual toons... Splitting it like this is milking us... I didn't expect anything less from the marketing department but it's still very disappointing. If you don't want to be disappointed, always hope for the worst I guess...

relentlessyouthofficialneb18_ESO · May 2019

Wow.. I mean.. I just asked if theres any info on it.. what have I done 😂

Kolominas · May 2019

crowns = real money - wont spend that on anything I can simply grind...not judging people who want to buy them though...or perhaps just a little

Darkstorne · May 2019

A couple of years ago the forums were requesting Skyshards and achievements simply be made account wide as a free update. Now most of the users are happy to ask for the "low price" of $5-10 per zone, per character, or $300+ for account wide..?

What has this game become?

rotaugen454 · May 2019

I guess we’ll know in 18 days what the actual cost is. I might use it to pick up a handful of skill points on a new character to fill the bar right away and start grinding, but I wouldn’t spend a ton to get all of them.

Universe · May 2019

Darkstorne wrote: »

A couple of years ago the forums were requesting Skyshards and achievements simply be made account wide as a free update. Now most of the users are happy to ask for the "low price" of $5-10 per zone, per character, or $300+ for account wide..?

What has this game become?

The userbase has changed much since then.
There was a time people were shouting P2W about the crafting bag.
We are getting closer to P2W.
It is P2W, exclusive shortcuts in the crown store which otherwise most won't grind all skyshards on multiple alts is some sort of P2W.

LiraTaurwen · May 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

Wonder what they will push into the cash shop after this. Slowly entering pay-to-win territory and people seem to be ok with it.

Universe · May 2019

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

Wonder what they will push into the cash shop after this. Slowly entering pay-to-win territory and people seem to be ok with it.

Many aren't fine with it, me included.
What will come next are Fighters and Mages guilds skill lines.
ZOS even mentioned on stream that may come after Skyshard packs.
So we may expect Psijic and even Undaunted to follow suit.

AlnilamE · May 2019

driosketch wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Grandma wrote: »

I wonder how they'll split up cyrodiil since that's the only place i won't go to on any of my toons willingly.

One package for each alliance:

The mountain skyshard is not included.

They reallysplit Cyro? My sides hurt from laughing atm haha.

I find it funny that the mountain skyshard is left out. It's almost like it's there to mock the players who don't want to go into Cyrodiil. You can run one character through each of the Alliances to get around the gate lockout, but then there is this one sky shard still left. You don't really need it, though you would pay to avoid send a dozen characters out there manually to get it, only you can't.

What do you mean the Mountain Skyshard is excluded? Isn't that part of the EP skyshard achievement?

Darkstorne wrote: »

A couple of years ago the forums were requesting Skyshards and achievements simply be made account wide as a free update. Now most of the users are happy to ask for the "low price" of $5-10 per zone, per character, or $300+ for account wide..?

What has this game become?

Well, the thing is, a lot of people (myself included), DON'T want skyshards account-wide (though we are fine with an account-wide tab for achievements that still preserves individual characters' achievements as they are).

If ZOS wants to offer the "account-wide" crowd an option to purchase skyshards they have already acquired once, I'm fine with that as long as the price reflects the value of the in-game time required to achieve that.

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I guess we’ll know in 18 days what the actual cost is. I might use it to pick up a handful of skill points on a new character to fill the bar right away and start grinding, but I wouldn’t spend a ton to get all of them.

I feel like that is ZOS' intention with this. Not that someone will buy all the skyshards as soon as they create a character, but that you'll consider buying a zone or two to top up skill points to round them up. So pricing them at close to the amount of crowns you get from the ESO+ subscription sounds logical.

CleymenZero · May 2019

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

Wonder what they will push into the cash shop after this. Slowly entering pay-to-win territory and people seem to be ok with it.

I'm not ok with it at all... I'm actually extremely disappointed especially when you consider the price some are estimating (and then saying out loud could give ZOS ammunition to price it high as in: "hey, a lot of users on the forums are expecting 1-4k per zone... We were not thinking that high but let's go now!!".

I'd like to have it unlocked for free on my account but I just know they won't do it...

Would they make it free if there was an outrage? Maybe but people are lazy, jaded. Nobody wants to fight for common sense. I understand they're a business but buying some of their stuff (which is not essential at all I understand) is prohibitively expensive....

Again, I'm hoping for an account-wide package at a non-bankruptcy price. Buying everything piece by piece is a really disgusting move. A lot of people who don't know how to spend money efficiently will buy piece by piece, spending 100s and establishing a trend which will endure if people keep mindlessly spending...

The less careful the user base is, the higher the prices.

The user-base has accepted paying 100$ for a virtual home... We're not talking skill points which actually makes the game more comfortable, making it that you don't have to respec your character every time you go from pve to PvP, making it that you can have skill points into crafting and decon on your alts and keeping your weapon lines and passives skill points saving you bank space. We're talking a 50-300MB piece of virtual land for 100$. And you're outraged at the wanting to pay 300$ to release all skyshards on all their characters???

Trust me, I wish it was 100$ to release all skyshards on all characters or less... I did the full grind once, 50% once and 30% 12 times. It killed the game for me. I want to play the game not endlessly run for skill points! Now they're not releasing it for free but we have one last chance to be heard and make them make the Achievement AFFORDABLE.

That's where I stand. I did the grind many times, I want to play the game, I know they won't release for free now it's just a matter of not price-gouging us. A price at which I'll be happy to pay instead of grudging the expense.

A happy customer is a spending customer. I'll give em more money eventually if they meet me halfway.

AlnilamE · May 2019

CleymenZero wrote: »

I think you have to also attach a $ value to a skill point.

A skill point is worth about 0.20-0.25 cents to me. At that price, we easily reach 35$+, I don't think it's unreasonable.

At 1.5k Crowns per zone, it's over for me lol. The dream dies forever......

I'm going to come back to this. If I offered you $35 in crowns for you to collect all the skyshards for my new necromancer, would you do it?

(Hypothetical question because I'd never do that, but entertain the idea as if it were a real offer).

CleymenZero · May 2019

AlnilamE wrote: »

Well, the thing is, a lot of people (myself included), DON'T want skyshards account-wide (though we are fine with an account-wide tab for achievements that still preserves individual characters' achievements as they are).

If ZOS wants to offer the "account-wide" crowd an option to purchase skyshards they have already acquired once, I'm fine with that as long as the price reflects the value of the in-game time required to achieve that.

What would be a price that would reflect the in-game time required to achieve that?

Again, based on a recent thread about how much some have spent on the game so far, the time spent per hour was varying greatly but it Ranged from 0.10 to 1$ an hour...

Also, a brand new game is 60-70$... Depending on the type of game, the $ spent / hour will also vary greatly. An FPS for 70$ will get you 200h if it's got a good community. I know we're talking $ spent / h played but that à metric I would use to establish a value of something. Add a modifier for the mind-numbing task of doing this and I think we can get somewhere...

I'm going to estimate that I collected 1800 sky Shards in my time played on 14 characters. It's making me hate the game repeating this stuff over and over again...

How would you quantify this?

JadonSky · May 2019

I don't really see the point on wasting money on shards. I mean it only takes 1-2 days to get enough shards for skill points needed plus a few dungeons here and there. Too me its just part of the build process of a new character. But i'm sure they will be expensive since its zone based. I mean look how much it cost just to change your apperance or get a vamp bite/wolf bite. My guess would 2500-3500 per zone.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2019

Should be character unlocks for like 500 per zone or account wide unlock for 3500 or so

AbraKDabbler · May 2019

What about making it a pack of 5, or 8?

5 would be one for each character class in addition to the toon who earned the achievement, 8 would be one for each character slot (assuming they add a slot with Elsweyr, and not counting additional slots purchased).

E.g. a pack of 5 "Glenumbra Skyshard Survey" books which you use like a Riding Training book. That would allow you to have one toon of each class benefit from the original toon's time investment.

I could see that as a fair compromise between per-toon and account-wide.

Wayshuba · May 2019

It will probably be ridiculously overpriced like outfit slots were... So 1500 Crowns per character per zone.

CleymenZero · May 2019

Please @ZOS_GinaBruno, release an account-wide package at a respectable price! 😭😭

Edit: I know you're community manager but you have to have some pull over marketing! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

I must've collected 1600-1800 skyshards until now, I'm done! I'm usually cheap but now I'm willing to pay, just not a stupid amount...

Lylith · May 2019

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

Selling these per zone reminds me of the Johnny Long Torso bit from Mystery Science Theater 3000. Selling an action figure piece by piece. "Now altogether this hunk of rubber would go for about 8 bucks. But sold separately... can bring in $300!"

like building a car from parts. ruinously expensive.

DKMaestro · May 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

Who cares? You can still do it for free, if you are willing to grind. People that are happy to pay, can do so. It really shouldn't be anyone's business either way - the end result is the same.

Wish people would stop being salty about this! ZOS is a business - they are in the business to make money, so you can be sure they will do that. Just as the company you and I work for.

Goregrinder · May 2019

DKMaestro wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

Who cares? You can still do it for free, if you are willing to grind. People that are happy to pay, can do so. It really shouldn't be anyone's business either way - the end result is the same.

Wish people would stop being salty about this! ZOS is a business - they are in the business to make money, so you can be sure they will do that. Just as the company you and I work for.

Basically, besides this is a Pay-To-Skip feature. You can either farm it for "free" in game, or you can skip it with crowns. Either way, it's something all players have access to.

If ZOS said "You can no longer unlock skyshards in game....they can only be unlocked with crowns in the crown store..." THAT would be pay to win.

CleymenZero · May 2019

DKMaestro wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

So you have accepted the principle of P2W.

Now all we are doing is arguing the price.

This is an abomination. It should either be free (like all your characters inheriting your highest CP level) or it shouldn’t be done.

Who cares? You can still do it for free, if you are willing to grind. People that are happy to pay, can do so. It really shouldn't be anyone's business either way - the end result is the same.

Wish people would stop being salty about this! ZOS is a business - they are in the business to make money, so you can be sure they will do that. Just as the company you and I work for.

But like in anything, if sales are bad or there's community backlash, things COULD change.

It sounds silly but it works. I do business on a daily basis, negotiate everything that's negotiable etc. Most people aren't educated with money to actually be able to reason and argue about the value of something.

You could say I'm salty but I'm just writing what I think is reasonable and am willing to reason with people. I'm willing to drop a chunk of cash on it but above 30-40k Crowns for my entire account, I'm out...