Sick of the heavy armor tank meta. These builds can tank and spank with no issues. Braindead builds who barely take dmg , but deal tons of it.

olsborg wrote: »

Sick of the heavy armor tank meta. These builds can tank and spank with no issues. Braindead builds who barely take dmg , but deal tons of it.

Yep, you literally half to wear heavy armor now days and it's extremely cookie cutter. I was actually having a conversation with a friend I pvp with and we were talking about how you're entirely shoehorned into it. There are so many sets I want to try out as a healer, but can't because you have to run Transmutation and Heavy armor.

My last BG match was against a premade made of 4 pet sorcs running 2 pets, atro ulti and deadroth set. Felt like playing TES:Oblivion.

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

It’s ridiculous. Not to mention they’ll have one running thurvoken for defile. So aids lol.

Yeah, I’ve seen that a lot lately. The packleader groups usually run at least one thurvoken, with the rest wearing Zaan.

What’s especially sad about the pet sorc premades (speaking from my perspective as a mag sorc main) is that they feel they HAVE to run pets to be effective, which isn’t true at all. You don’t even have to run Matriarch or shield stack. If you back bar the resto ultimate and use Temporal Guard on your damage bar, you have MORE than enough defence. Freeing up four skill slots also gives you more room for things like Inner Light and Frags, which will help you proc Power Surge constantly so you don’t have to heavy attack and spam wrath/fury behind your zoo. Your burst potential is so much higher on non-pet builds. The only reason why people run pet builds is to grief, and because it’s a really easy way to be somewhat effective. Emphasis on somewhat.

oxygen_thief wrote: »

los is better than 8% of reduction. pets give health, magicka, additional damage and healing, free slot for a ult. zos forced people to use them by nerfing the class. yes its a stupid cheesy setup but why sorcs shouldnt use it if other classes run in full chees whith bleeds, poisons, oblivion damage, spintowin, permafrost ect. as for me sorc is obsolete and should be completly reworked.

See, I might be able to empathize with what you’re saying here if it weren’t for the fact that I generally net more kills and fewer deaths than the average pet sorc on my pet-less sorc build. Pet builds excel at griefing and little else. I’m usually not getting killed by pet sorcs; I’m usually getting killed by well-built players NOT on the pet sorc premade team that are able to capitalize on my executes hitting a passing pet, or my lack of resources because I keep unintentionally wasting skills on passing pets. Pet sorcs are much less effective as damage dealers because they don’t have the bar space for a proper burst rotation. End of story. I

Pet sorcs who stack as many pets as possible, IMO, are likely people who were far too reliant on shield stacking in the past and never learned how to move well or use a wide variety of defensive measures. Prior to Murkmire, I only used one shield and did not play in full divines gear. The shield nerfs barely affected me, as a result.

If you pet stack in BGs, you aren’t just griefing other people; you’re limiting your offensive potential as well.

Aurielle wrote: »

Yup. It’s utter BS, and saps all fun from BGs. I still think the easiest way to discourage zoo stacking is to make players take a percentage of the damage done when another player deals damage to one of their pets. No more free mitigation for pet stackers, no wasted single target attacks for non-pet stackers. Having a single pet out would still be viable for people who like pets, as they would still offer partial mitigation. It’s the scamp + twilight + storm atro + daedroth combos, or multi packleader WW combos that are utterly ridiculous. These players knowingly abuse pet targeting issues, and it’s getting worse.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , I don’t know if the issues with pet targeting are on the devs’ radar, but it’s clear based on the increasing number of posts on the matter that they should be...

Very well said. This 100%. Its an issue, and it's getting out of control now. This is the perfect solution @ZOS_GinaBruno

I will note that if you keep running into these groups try running a bomber. I've done this as long as I have a healer in the group and the results have been hilariously successful since everyone crowds one spot with these BG zergs. But I dont go to BGs because I want to zerg and bomb, I want to be able to play my solo and small group builds and not fight zergs of pets

-Matriarch should be more elevated (no lower than Sorcerer's head)
-Change to a passive role as in no damage
(the other morph can be damage)

This helps Sorcs be more dependable healers while removing a major part of the "zoo" problem for others.

GO PET OR GO CRY !