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Why do people lie about their FPS?
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✭✭✭✭✭I'll get 100+ FPS in most places. Anywhere busy like Mournhold it'll drop to ~80, trials used to be bad but now they're about the same.
Honestly, Cyrodiil is the only place where I drop below 80, and there's FPS drops everywhere there.
I do have a beefy rig though, so I don't expect my performance to be the norm. I understand that most people have much worse performance, and ZOS needs to nail down why and fix it.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlienatedGoat wrote: »I'll get 100+ FPS in most places. Anywhere busy like Mournhold it'll drop to ~80, trials used to be bad but now they're about the same.
Honestly, Cyrodiil is the only place where I drop below 80, and there's FPS drops everywhere there.
I do have a beefy rig though, so I don't expect my performance to be the norm. I understand that most people have much worse performance, and ZOS needs to nail down why and fix it.
And this post is a perfect example of what I am alluding to in the OP.
You are 100% not getting that FPS in trials or populated towns, especially DLC towns. And if you are, your settings aren't maxed out (you're playing at like 20% view distance, low shadows and reflections, and no grass).
Source: I also have a beefy rig, and have tested this game on multiple different beefy rigsEdited by MLGProPlayer on 13 December 2018 23:153 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »AlienatedGoat wrote: »I'll get 100+ FPS in most places. Anywhere busy like Mournhold it'll drop to ~80, trials used to be bad but now they're about the same.
Honestly, Cyrodiil is the only place where I drop below 80, and there's FPS drops everywhere there.
I do have a beefy rig though, so I don't expect my performance to be the norm. I understand that most people have much worse performance, and ZOS needs to nail down why and fix it.
And this post is a perfect example of what I am alluding to in the OP.
You are 100% not getting that FPS in trials or populated towns, especially DLC towns. And if you are, your settings aren't maxed out (you're playing at like 20% view distance, low shadows and reflections, and no grass).
Maxed settings, view distance at 45, grass on, shadows reflections high.
i7 7700k @5.0GHz, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, RTX 2080. Not your average rig.
I did say it drops to ~80 in populated/busy spots.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlienatedGoat wrote: »view distance at 45
And that's why. View distance is the single biggest FPS killer in this game.1 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can see some Streamers FPS in their Streams. For instance, Fengrush usually sits at a steady 60 FPS. I think he has frame locked his synch to not exceed 60 FPS. It rarely drops below 50 FPS even in large group battles.
In dungeons my FPS stays close or at 100. I have it frame locked to not exceed 100 FPS due to my monitor Gsync max of 100 Hz. Turning off all but a handful of Addons helps a lot too.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »AlienatedGoat wrote: »view distance at 45
And that's why. View distance is the single biggest FPS killer in this game.
45 view distance is all you need at 1080p.
Any more than that is wasted, anything important farther out are little bitty pixels and not worth rendering.
Maxing view distance at that resolution is a rookie mistake.Edited by AlienatedGoat on 13 December 2018 23:30PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭When most people refer to "maxed settings", they probably don't mean view distance or particle systems. Both have a default setting. They probably mean the ultra preset instead.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here's some screencaps. FPS is up in the top toolbar.
Mournhold Wayshrine - pretty good today (probably event).
https://i.ibb.co/rfYRCb7/Mournhold.jpg
Alinor - usually what it is in the big cities.
https://i.ibb.co/jWKYYw5/Alinor.jpg
Also went to the super busy New Life event tent, just for fun.
https://i.ibb.co/d5mgjRN/New-Life.jpg
I should take more screencaps with my bosmer tankwarden. She cute.
Anyway there you have it, some proof that I'm not BSing and/or a liar like you insinuated. Anyone saying they have maxed view distance and particles would be, but you didn't specify that in your OP.
Can I have my cookie now?
Edited by AlienatedGoat on 13 December 2018 23:57PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa2 -
Atreidus✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »It's not uncommon to see someone in-game or on Reddit proclaim that they run this game at a stable 100+ FPS, even in Cyrodiil. They will vehemently argue that the game has no optimization issues, as if lying about this gets them some sort of prize.
I get into frequent arguments on Reddit about this. Whenever I ask for proof of them running the game at 100+ FPs, I never get a response. There is quite a large contingent of these shills though as they actively downvote any posts criticising the game's optimization.
I do remember one interaction with a guildie who said he averaged "buttery smooth" FPS. We argued for a bit, and it turned out he didn't even have his FPS counter turned on. So I told him to turn his counter on and read his FPS out to me. Turns out he was averaging ~45 FPS, unsurprisingly.
Anuway, just a random rant.
45 are averange .. + The new driver makes the fps counter ingame lagging. You can set more boosts (100 fps max) at the nvidia system settings.Edited by Atreidus on 14 December 2018 00:380 -
Lake✭✭✭✭✭Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »You can see some Streamers FPS in their Streams. For instance, Fengrush usually sits at a steady 60 FPS. I think he has frame locked his synch to not exceed 60 FPS. It rarely drops below 50 FPS even in large group battles.
In dungeons my FPS stays close or at 100. I have it frame locked to not exceed 100 FPS due to my monitor Gsync max of 100 Hz. Turning off all but a handful of Addons helps a lot too.
Additionally, unless they are using a 2nd PC to stream, streaming HD in itself sucks up CPU resources - so many streamers might have gotten even higher FPS if they weren't streaming.0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlienatedGoat wrote: »Here's some screencaps. FPS is up in the top toolbar.
Mournhold Wayshrine - pretty good today (probably event).
https://i.ibb.co/rfYRCb7/Mournhold.jpg
Alinor - usually what it is in the big cities.
https://i.ibb.co/jWKYYw5/Alinor.jpg
Also went to the super busy New Life event tent, just for fun.
https://i.ibb.co/d5mgjRN/New-Life.jpg
I should take more screencaps with my bosmer tankwarden. She cute.
Anyway there you have it, some proof that I'm not BSing and/or a liar like you insinuated. Anyone saying they have maxed view distance and particles would be, but you didn't specify that in your OP.
Can I have my cookie now?
Again though, that's with 45 view distance. Now take those screenshots with view distance set to 100.Edited by MLGProPlayer on 14 December 2018 01:071 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlienatedGoat wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »AlienatedGoat wrote: »view distance at 45
And that's why. View distance is the single biggest FPS killer in this game.
45 view distance is all you need at 1080p.
Any more than that is wasted, anything important farther out are little bitty pixels and not worth rendering.
Maxing view distance at that resolution is a rookie mistake.
View distance makes a substantial difference for immersion. The game already has putrid view distance with the fog only a few hundred units in front of your character. Lowering the view distance to anything below 80 (and even that's pushing it) makes the game feel claustrophobic. Towns and forests feels empty because buildings and trees don't render until you get right next to them.Edited by MLGProPlayer on 14 December 2018 01:103 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »AlienatedGoat wrote: »Here's some screencaps. FPS is up in the top toolbar.
Mournhold Wayshrine - pretty good today (probably event).
https://i.ibb.co/rfYRCb7/Mournhold.jpg
Alinor - usually what it is in the big cities.
https://i.ibb.co/jWKYYw5/Alinor.jpg
Also went to the super busy New Life event tent, just for fun.
https://i.ibb.co/d5mgjRN/New-Life.jpg
I should take more screencaps with my bosmer tankwarden. She cute.
Anyway there you have it, some proof that I'm not BSing and/or a liar like you insinuated. Anyone saying they have maxed view distance and particles would be, but you didn't specify that in your OP.
Can I have my cookie now?
Again though, that's with 45 view distance. Now take those screenshots with view distance set to 100.
You didn't specify view distance in your OP. Or any settings at all, really.MLGProPlayer wrote: »AlienatedGoat wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »AlienatedGoat wrote: »view distance at 45
And that's why. View distance is the single biggest FPS killer in this game.
45 view distance is all you need at 1080p.
Any more than that is wasted, anything important farther out are little bitty pixels and not worth rendering.
Maxing view distance at that resolution is a rookie mistake.
View distance makes a substantial difference for immersion. The game already has putrid view distance with the fog only a few hundred units in front of your character. Lowering the view distance to anything below 80 (and even that's pushing it) makes the game feel claustrophobic. Towns and forests feels empty because buildings and trees don't render until you get right next to them.
I've noticed no such issues with 45 view distance. Renderings happen at a good distance away. I can spot things quite far away, nodes, chests, etc.
I've bumped it up many times before just to test it and have noticed no discernable advantage in 1080p. The resolution is just too low.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa1 -
adeptusminor✭✭✭✭Because I can only blame high ping for so many deaths before I have to change it up and blame it on low FPS1
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✭✭✭✭✭luckily, your eye only need 30 fps to register "smooth" motion (unless things are moving really, really fast) So, 45 FPS will appear to be "smooth"
This.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
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There is a clear difference in smoothness at different frame rates.
I try to maintain over 100 FPS in all games (ideally 144), which adds an incredible amount of realism to movement. It also drastically improves your performance in twitch games (like shooters), but even in RPGs, it just makes the world feel so much more lifelike.
I'd recommend getting a high refresh rate monitor to anyone who can afford it (and the accompanying GPU/CPU). It's a lot more important than higher resolution IMO.Edited by MLGProPlayer on 14 December 2018 05:390 -
Rygonix✭✭✭✭✭There's another streamer I watch that doesn't use 2 PC's to stream and you'll frequently see him drop to 12-17 fps during large keep battles. Surprisingly enough it doesn't seem to impact his pvp play much at all.
Low fps can be annoying but it is far from prohibiting.Ceres Des Mortem-Dark Elf Templar, EP
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✭✭✭✭✭AlienatedGoat wrote: »You didn't specify view distance in your OP. Or any settings at all, really.
You always benchmark graphics at 100% max settings.
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AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »AlienatedGoat wrote: »You didn't specify view distance in your OP. Or any settings at all, really.
You always benchmark graphics at 100% max settings.
You might. I'm not interested in what my CPU is going to do under absolute load when benchmarking games.
I want to know how it will run on settings I'll actually play at.
Nobody should be playing with max view distance. There's a reason it's not set to max by ultra preset default.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa0 -
ruengdet2515✭✭✭5 - 40 FPS (i use reshade)
in town 5-10
in cave alone 20+
ping 200+ (always), sometime 1K+0 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭My CPU is a Celeron 2.1 with an onboard GPU (unknown). I'm running the second from the top default graphics (no grass).
I fluctuate between 1 and 24 FPS and ping between 450 and 999+. Ping is relevant here in potato-in-mongolian-yurt ISPland.
The game is playable until players carting vast tables of character data around on their graphically and sonically enhanced mounts appear, thus requiring all my available processing power to render them into my scheme of things.
You people wearing glowy-orbs dont know how much you ruin other people's lives.
Otherwise, the game is mostly playable. Especially if all you do is pick and sell flowers at a low-volume time - midday here.- Remove Wifi connection.
- Reduce the amount of 3D meshes to be rendered.
- Keep your virtual storage area contiguous.
- Don't take all your player variables to Cyrodiil with you.
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Never seriously ask for capes...ever.
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Rygonix✭✭✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »EDIT:
Never seriously ask for capes...ever.
The only capes we'd ever get would have all the physics of stiff cardboard cutouts glued to our backs. And even then, that might be too much for the servers/clients to handle..Ceres Des Mortem-Dark Elf Templar, EP
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Myrm✭✭✭Why do you think people are lying about their FPS, just because you can’t get good FPS? I guess so many things can affect FPS; hardware being the main thing, but other software, such as anti-virus, and other services can affect it to, as can your internet speed. You shouldn’t assume that everybody who says they are getting higher FPS than you are lying.PC & Xbox (EU)
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why do you think people are lying about their FPS, just because you can’t get good FPS? I guess so many things can affect FPS; hardware being the main thing, but other software, such as anti-virus, and other services can affect it to, as can your internet speed. You shouldn’t assume that everybody who says they are getting higher FPS than you are lying.
Because this game is poorly optimized and has been tested ad nauseam on every possible hardware setup (I've done testing on multiple configurations myself, as have in-game friends/guild mates).
It runs on a single CPU thread (even after the Summerset patch, it still doesn't distribute processing power to multiple threads well). This means that both your CPU and GPU usage are well below their limit. Swapping out hardware doesn't have an impact on performance (beyond a certain point) because the game can't utilize the hardware to its full potential (or even a fraction of its potential in most cases).
It's technically impossible for anyone to be running the game at a high frame rate. Anyone who claims to be is either lying or running the game on lower-than-max settings.Edited by MLGProPlayer on 14 December 2018 10:042 -
FlyingSwan✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »AlienatedGoat wrote: »Here's some screencaps. FPS is up in the top toolbar.
Mournhold Wayshrine - pretty good today (probably event).
https://i.ibb.co/rfYRCb7/Mournhold.jpg
Alinor - usually what it is in the big cities.
https://i.ibb.co/jWKYYw5/Alinor.jpg
Also went to the super busy New Life event tent, just for fun.
https://i.ibb.co/d5mgjRN/New-Life.jpg
I should take more screencaps with my bosmer tankwarden. She cute.
Anyway there you have it, some proof that I'm not BSing and/or a liar like you insinuated. Anyone saying they have maxed view distance and particles would be, but you didn't specify that in your OP.
Can I have my cookie now?
Again though, that's with 45 view distance. Now take those screenshots with view distance set to 100.
You can still get fairly good framerates at 100 view. I get 80fps ish in Mournhold, 65fps at Breda's tent, getting 62 right now in Alinor. It's the trials that drop off a cliff for me.
I seem to get reasonable multi-tasking, it's better than it was for sure:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhaoZsGtfKSPiOFV_Gw_P4VmmFQevQ
But the game is badly optimised compared to a modern game, I don't see that changing until Dx12/Vulkan, and even then needs significant recoding to drive those APIs effectively.
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