Why do people lie about their FPS?

Ragnarock41

max_only wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

luckily, your eye only need 30 fps to register "smooth" motion (unless things are moving really, really fast) So, 45 FPS will appear to be "smooth"

This.

Thought I was about to read a typical ''your eye can only see 30 frames per second'' comment and I was just about to grab my pitchfork but turns out it is not what I expected.

However, @tmbrinks , forgot to mention one thing, and that is the fact that you need a stable 30 fps to have a smooth experience.(This is why watching a movie feels very natural, cause it the frame rate is always consistent) If you're experiencing a lot of fps drops that 30 fps will seriously hurt your eyes after a while and will be anything but smooth. Which is the case for ESO during some activities like open world PvP or trials, if your Vsync is not turned on, and Vsync equals delayed input, which is a no-no for any sort of game that requires good reaction times.

Vapirko

There’s really no point in trying to get this game higher than 60 FPS imo. Why would you need anything more than that? And even a decent laptop can pull 40-60 in most situations.

MLGProPlayer

Vapirko wrote: »

There’s really no point in trying to get this game higher than 60 FPS imo. Why would you need anything more than that? And even a decent laptop can pull 40-60 in most situations.

Once you experience 144hz, there is no going back to anything less. This is why I won't be upgrading to 4K any time soon (not even the 2080 TI can push 144 fps at 4K).

Having said that, I'd be happy if this game could just hold 60 FPS.

xxthir13enxx

VaranisArano wrote: »

ghastley wrote: »

Well, of course. Do you understand just how much your frame rate is adversely affected by counting it? It's a HUGE overhead.

Schroedinger's FPS?

https://youtu.be/IOYyCHGWJq4

JinMori

Well, if you have like a 3 or 4 1080 ti sli you should be able to run the game at 100 fps always, doesn't mean that the game is just perfect, you are in the minority.

Isn't not even about money all that much, if you save up you can buy a very good rig, but some people just wanna save money for something else, unless you are *** poor, but that is a whole other problem.

Ragnarock41

JinMori wrote: »

Well, if you have like a 3 or 4 1080 ti sli you should be able to run the game at 100 fps always, doesn't mean that the game is just perfect, you are in the minority.

Isn't not even about money all that much, if you save up you can buy a very good rig, but some people just wanna save money for something else, unless you are *** poor, but that is a whole other problem.

You could have state of the art equipment and this game would still not run at constant 100 fps. You don't need to be a rocket scientist you only need to take a step into cyrodiil.

JinMori

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

There’s really no point in trying to get this game higher than 60 FPS imo. Why would you need anything more than that? And even a decent laptop can pull 40-60 in most situations.

Once you experience 144hz, there is no going back to anything less. This is why I won't be upgrading to 4K any time soon (not even the 2080 TI can push 144 fps at 4K).

Having said that, I'd be happy if this game could just hold 60 FPS.

1440 p 144 hz>4k 60 fps

JinMori

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Well, if you have like a 3 or 4 1080 ti sli you should be able to run the game at 100 fps always, doesn't mean that the game is just perfect, you are in the minority.

Isn't not even about money all that much, if you save up you can buy a very good rig, but some people just wanna save money for something else, unless you are *** poor, but that is a whole other problem.

You could have state of the art equipment and this game would still not run at constant 100 fps. You don't need to be a rocket scientist you only need to take a step into cyrodiil.

I know, the performance in this game is disgusting. But i think with 3 or 4 1080 ti you should be able to run at 100 fps pretty much always.

Ragnarock41

JinMori wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Well, if you have like a 3 or 4 1080 ti sli you should be able to run the game at 100 fps always, doesn't mean that the game is just perfect, you are in the minority.

Isn't not even about money all that much, if you save up you can buy a very good rig, but some people just wanna save money for something else, unless you are *** poor, but that is a whole other problem.

You could have state of the art equipment and this game would still not run at constant 100 fps. You don't need to be a rocket scientist you only need to take a step into cyrodiil.

I know, the performance in this game is disgusting. But i think with 3 or 4 1080 ti you should be able to run at 100 fps pretty much always.

Incorrect, I do have a single gtx 1070 and the game can't even use that to its half potential. Even at 4k.

It doesn't matter how much power your PC has, the game has a limit to how much it can use and having a good CPU is much more important than having gtx whatever for a game like ESO. You could use an intel hd onboard gpu and still have 60-100 fps in less crowded areas.

PS: for the record I've tested the intel onboard graphics on an i5 6600k at 4.1 ghz, 1080p-medium to high settings.

Ackadian

Honestly, probably because everytime you mention your game runs on an fps number lower than 45-50 there will almost always be some spoiled brat going nuts on you like "Lawl get a better potato noob" because for some reason that makes them feel better about themselves. I can't even recall the ammount of times this happened to me.

ezio45

last night i had frames per minute ^-^

like 40 of them.....

BuddyAces

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Myrm wrote: »

Why do you think people are lying about their FPS, just because you can’t get good FPS? I guess so many things can affect FPS; hardware being the main thing, but other software, such as anti-virus, and other services can affect it to, as can your internet speed. You shouldn’t assume that everybody who says they are getting higher FPS than you are lying.

Because this game is poorly optimized and has been tested ad nauseam on every possible hardware setup (I've done testing on multiple configurations myself, as have in-game friends/guild mates).

It runs on a single CPU thread (even after the Summerset patch, it still doesn't distribute processing power to multiple threads well). This means that both your CPU and GPU usage are well below their limit. Swapping out hardware doesn't have an impact on performance (beyond a certain point) because the game can't utilize the hardware to its full potential (or even a fraction of its potential in most cases).

It's technically impossible for anyone to be running the game at a high frame rate. Anyone who claims to be is either lying or running the game on lower-than-max settings.

Define high fps. Like I've mentioned before in the thread, during boss fights in trials I hover 50-70ish fps. Obviously it spikes up and down here and there but other than a complete micro freeze that can randomly happen I barely ever dip below 40. In cyro during the epic big battles I might see fps hit in the 30s. Running around deshaan I get 60-100 fps.

yurimodin

FENG RUSH had a video a few years ago where he showed that the netcode change they did during the "lighting patch" killed performance especially in Cyrodil....the changes were their way of dealing with bots at the time(I dont see them reverting those changes either).

Gotta remember that this game started development long before many ppl had high refresh rate monitors and a quad-core was optional for gaming. You even have to mess with the minimum frame time setting in the config file to remove the 100FPS cap.

I am OCD about getting the best performance from my games and have spent many hours tweaking and tuning the config files, Nvidia Settings, GPU Overclock etc.

I will try to put a youtube video together that goes over my settings etc and what is giving me the best performance.......long story short though 45 FPS in trials is VERY common no matter what I do.

my specs:
i7 8700(non-k.....aftermarket cooler and good mobo so I hold 4.3Ghz all core no matter what).
16Gb of DDR4-2400
GTX1080Ti
OS installed on SATA SSD....game installed on NVMe SSD
2560x1080 144Hz Gsync Ultrawide

completely overkill home network is all solid copper core cat6 top to bottom with business fiber 50/15 and 6700k Pfsense router with Intel Enterprise 4 port NIC (I am IT by day so I go waaaaaay overboard on my network setups)

ZeroXFF

BuddyAces wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Myrm wrote: »

Why do you think people are lying about their FPS, just because you can’t get good FPS? I guess so many things can affect FPS; hardware being the main thing, but other software, such as anti-virus, and other services can affect it to, as can your internet speed. You shouldn’t assume that everybody who says they are getting higher FPS than you are lying.

Because this game is poorly optimized and has been tested ad nauseam on every possible hardware setup (I've done testing on multiple configurations myself, as have in-game friends/guild mates).

It runs on a single CPU thread (even after the Summerset patch, it still doesn't distribute processing power to multiple threads well). This means that both your CPU and GPU usage are well below their limit. Swapping out hardware doesn't have an impact on performance (beyond a certain point) because the game can't utilize the hardware to its full potential (or even a fraction of its potential in most cases).

It's technically impossible for anyone to be running the game at a high frame rate. Anyone who claims to be is either lying or running the game on lower-than-max settings.

Define high fps. Like I've mentioned before in the thread, during boss fights in trials I hover 50-70ish fps. Obviously it spikes up and down here and there but other than a complete micro freeze that can randomly happen I barely ever dip below 40. In cyro during the epic big battles I might see fps hit in the 30s. Running around deshaan I get 60-100 fps.

"Low FPS" is anything lower than would be expected for the hardware you are using compared to moderately well optimized games with comparable visual quality.

So if you're running an i7 8700k@5.2GHz and a 2080ti at 1080p, anything below 200-300 FPS in ESO is "low".

For an R5 2600 stock + RX570 anything below 60 is "low".

kimaeril

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Lol. I read your title as why do people lie about their DPS. That's a problem too.

I read it the same way 😆 Glad I'm not the only one.

AlienatedGoat

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

There’s really no point in trying to get this game higher than 60 FPS imo. Why would you need anything more than that? And even a decent laptop can pull 40-60 in most situations.

Once you experience 144hz, there is no going back to anything less. This is why I won't be upgrading to 4K any time soon (not even the 2080 TI can push 144 fps at 4K).

Having said that, I'd be happy if this game could just hold 60 FPS.

Agree. I tend to play in 1080p or downsample from 1440p for this exact reason. 4k @ 60fps is a monster task to handle for most games, and the result isn't that impressive. Framerate vs resolution, I'll probably take framerate every time.

WhyMustItBe

yodased wrote: »

Why do people lie about anything in this manner? To feel superior.

It's not just about the stability of their fibre optic internet, that you don't have, its that they also have a computer expensive enough to run an unoptimized game at full settings, nothing can stop the beast of their rig.

If you are familiar with monitor technology they are also bragging that they have a superior monitor than you because the refresh rate is 120mhz and not 60mhz which will put a physical limit on the amount of frames that can be rendered by hardware it self.

Why do people take pictures in front of mercedes in the parking lot or buy clothes they can't afford then wear them to the party with the tags tucked to return later?

People want other people to be jealous of them, or envious, depends on the person. Regardless of the motivation we are a comparison based intelligence. If you have something that another doesn't you feel better they feel worse and you win.

Best to ignore such things and arguing with someone like that asking for legitimate proof is only going to have people clamshell and start attacking you personally, because if they really were not having any issues and everything was great, they wouldn't be interacting with the people that did, they wouldn't be on reddit boasting. They would be playing their silky smooth game.

Giving them attention is literally what they want, they need you to pay attention to them so they can feel some kind of way.

Such truth.

But who is this 'we?' What am I in this equation, a mutant? An alien? A time traveler from a better future?

I personally find this psychology to be a humiliating disgrace. I have never been motivated by such base and petty remnants of our higher primate ancestry. I have the WILL to overcome these lingering biological impulses, and honestly do not need to exercise it much in order to do so.

It has never been in my nature even as a child and I fail to understand how a species possessed of advanced technology to play video games could possibly still be affected so powerfully by something so far beneath them.

It isn't even a matter of the disparity of wealth and people overcompensating for envy of the rich, because it is the rich doing this as often as the poor if not more so. The obsession with zero sum delusions, the status symbol, the false sense of superiority established by OWNERSHIP rather than actual accomplishment.

I will never understand how any intelligent being could possibly take this seriously.

Tandor

Instead of the question in the title, I prefer the question "Why do people talk so much nonsense about FPS?"

That way we cover both sides, those who make up their performance achievements and those who say they can't play a game with FPS in less than four figures.

JinMori

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Well, if you have like a 3 or 4 1080 ti sli you should be able to run the game at 100 fps always, doesn't mean that the game is just perfect, you are in the minority.

Isn't not even about money all that much, if you save up you can buy a very good rig, but some people just wanna save money for something else, unless you are *** poor, but that is a whole other problem.

You could have state of the art equipment and this game would still not run at constant 100 fps. You don't need to be a rocket scientist you only need to take a step into cyrodiil.

I know, the performance in this game is disgusting. But i think with 3 or 4 1080 ti you should be able to run at 100 fps pretty much always.

Incorrect, I do have a single gtx 1070 and the game can't even use that to its half potential. Even at 4k.

It doesn't matter how much power your PC has, the game has a limit to how much it can use and having a good CPU is much more important than having gtx whatever for a game like ESO. You could use an intel hd onboard gpu and still have 60-100 fps in less crowded areas.

Right, i forgot that this game is cpu bound, also i remembered another thing, you might not always see a benefit in fps with sli, so that is also to see.

Anyway, yes, if the game is cpu bound and the cpu cannot keep up, then you will lose fps no matter how strong your gpu is, and that is most probably due to very poor optimization.

Ragnarock41

JinMori wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Well, if you have like a 3 or 4 1080 ti sli you should be able to run the game at 100 fps always, doesn't mean that the game is just perfect, you are in the minority.

Isn't not even about money all that much, if you save up you can buy a very good rig, but some people just wanna save money for something else, unless you are *** poor, but that is a whole other problem.

You could have state of the art equipment and this game would still not run at constant 100 fps. You don't need to be a rocket scientist you only need to take a step into cyrodiil.

I know, the performance in this game is disgusting. But i think with 3 or 4 1080 ti you should be able to run at 100 fps pretty much always.

Incorrect, I do have a single gtx 1070 and the game can't even use that to its half potential. Even at 4k.

It doesn't matter how much power your PC has, the game has a limit to how much it can use and having a good CPU is much more important than having gtx whatever for a game like ESO. You could use an intel hd onboard gpu and still have 60-100 fps in less crowded areas.

Right, i forgot that this game is cpu bound, also i remembered another thing, you might not always see a benefit in fps with sli, so that is also to see.

Anyway, yes, if the game is cpu bound and the cpu cannot keep up, then you will lose fps no matter how strong your gpu is, and that is most probably due to very poor optimization.

Yes, that is correct, having a fast cpu will eliminate possible bottlenecks for your GPU obviously, especially in large scale games like these... And yes, SLI optimization is usually not very good in most games.(not that it would matter for ESO anyways, Its not a graphically demanding game to begin with so this isn't really an issue.)

Basically, from what I understand and tested, most of the trial-cyrodiil lag(and also the lag in cities) comes from the huge serverside load and poor netcode. The engine is also not very great either. The lag mainly comes from the anti-bot/anti-cheat they introduced,(which none of us know much about, we only know that It killed cheat engine for good and also killed the performance for good. In a nutshell, the game was designed to do some calculations client-side to reduce server load, however after the cheating-botting incidents ZOS decided to make it mostly server based, and thats why we have no cheaters, but also no more 200 player battles on screen either. In all honesty I wish they went for a softer solution like an anti-cheat software, buuut I understand why they did things this way.)

dazee

I usually run at over 60 FPS, not 100 cuz my machine isnt a TOTAL monster but its sufficient to basically run whatever I please on fairly high settings with decent framerate. when there are big framerate drops in ESO I know its not my machine.

Tabbycat

My fps varies. Sometimes it goes over 100. Then I go into this one house in Daggerfall and suddenly my game is a slideshow.