Because you can run any pledge and get a key for a desired monster shoulder piece. For the helm, you must run a specific dungeon on vet. Some people struggle to complete vet dungeons, especially DLCs. Offering the helms allows anyone to skip the dungeon and purchase a helm when offered. The shoulders, however, can be farmed by running FG1 level pledges. Even if you want a DLC set shoulder. In a sense, they’re far easier to obtain for a lot of players. You don’t even have to run them on vet. So even easier still. Pretty sure that’s why. Could be wrong?

zyk wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

I would much prefer it if the vendor never sold shoulders and only sold helms.

The reason is that I dislike PVE and only really ever play it to level undaunted on a new PVP character.

As a result, I have dozens of keys with which I can easily get any shoulder I want, but to get helms I'd have to PVE in DLC dungeons which I'd prefer not to do.

I think there are a lot of PVP players are in the same boat.

I agree, it should all be about you.

Like I said, I think a lot of PVP players are in the same boat.

No. Shoulders are much more pain to get thanks to RNG factor. I like the split.

Then you wait for your monster set to be on the vendor. And tbf, if you're a decent PvP-player, you can manage any vetDLC dungeon just fine. Sure, you might not get all the end-game cheevos, but you canc omplete it. And with upgrade materials cheap across the board, and with re-traiting items... You only need to worry about getting the right type of armour.

You/Group members tend to get at least 1 heavy, light and medium shoulder in 2-3 runs. Which should, hm, maybe take 1.5h in total, given you use 30 minutes on every vetDLC(Which is probably a tad too long, but.. just for the sake of it) and if you compare that to how hard it is to farm that no-named 1h of e.g. Bone Pirate or how painful it is to get a Selene's 1h/shield of Hircine... Then I rather take on the vetDLCs, tbh.

It's just farming different gear-pieces. I had 110 keys saved up for then Earthgore dropped back in the days. I spent 90 keys and got 1(!) light shoulder. 1. When Light is like the worst type I could've gotten anyway. So I rather have the mix between shoulder/head on the vendor, instead of RNGing on a chest. (And tbf, it did take me quite a while to stack up 90 keys.. So.. Yeah. No. Keep both there pl0x)

zyk wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

No. Shoulders are much more pain to get thanks to RNG factor. I like the split.

I guess I'm presuming that a large segment of players have excess undaunted keys by now. I also presume there are other PVP players who don't enjoy PVE. It's torture to me because I find it really boring. But I don't necessarily think the system should be changed at all. Just don't make it shoulder only!

You can open 1 million chests and still never get anything useful out of it. You can want a set and you get like bazillion of Lord Warden Trash shoulder pieces. Excess keys literally mean nothing. You do not improve your chances at all because it's a roll from nothing once you close the chest and open the chest with another key.

zyk wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Then you wait for your monster set to be on the vendor. And tbf, if you're a decent PvP-player, you can manage any vetDLC dungeon just fine. Sure, you might not get all the end-game cheevos, but you canc omplete it. And with upgrade materials cheap across the board, and with re-traiting items... You only need to worry about getting the right type of armour.

I said, "It's torture to me because I find it really boring." I did not say, "it's too hard."

I don't play games to be bored. I only enjoy PVP in ESO. I'd love to quest and raid but I find PVE combat so mind-numbingly boring that it's actually painful to me. I'm not exaggerating. Shopping for groceries is more entertaining.

Well, I don't disagree. I have 30 million AP stacked up, that I can use on nothing. Because nothing is worth selling for AP. I rather buy all my gear / golden mats etc. with that, instead of farming PvE-dungeons. But game's how it is. I also find the PvE-content boring. It's just hitting HP-sponges, which isn't really my cup of tea.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

And tbf, if you're a decent PvP-player, you can manage any vetDLC dungeon just fine. Sure, you might not get all the end-game cheevos, but you canc omplete it. And with upgrade materials cheap across the board, and with re-traiting items... You only need to worry about getting the right type of armour.

Agree ... maybe one of the best points in the thread.

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I have 30 million AP stacked up, that I can use on nothing. Because nothing is worth selling for AP. I rather buy all my gear / golden mats etc. with that, instead of farming PvE-dungeons. But game's how it is. I also find the PvE-content boring. It's just hitting HP-sponges, which isn't really my cup of tea.

Disagree ... not one of the best points in the thread.

You don't have to be in a PvE or Trading Guild to sell AP for gold.

There are PvE players always looking for Akiviri or Militant Ordinator motifs, Cyrodiil-exclusive gear, or other items only sold in AP. Maybe some players think it's too much of a hassle to deal with PvE players when it really isn't? Being in a Trade Guild makes it easier since there's no "face-to-face" needed with prospective buyers.

Thinking that PvE dungeons is the only source of gear / golden mats, along with the mindset that "nothing is worth selling for AP", is probably being short-sighted, lazy, or both.

Nothing is worth selling for AP, given that the ratio is complete garbage these days, compared to what it was. I nkow I can always dump my 30 mill AP into motifs. But doesn't change the fact that I get a garbage ratio out of it.