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Ilambris weps cheeting
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Kingslayer513✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thanks OverDream, wish I could give you 10 insightfuls since your post saved me 2500 crowns and inevitable disappointment.
It's actually baffling how these bone headed decisions make it to live servers. An 8 year old could have told you that having the flames always active will make you more money. Smh.4 -
Jsmalls✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's a crown store issue that is causing refunds, expect a full fledged response and follow up within the week
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SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭I think you (and ZOS) may have misinterpreted the use of the word "persistent"
I dunno about special cases, but most particle effects on UNSHEATHED weapons are temporary - when you draw your flaming enchanted sword, it bursts into flames, burns for several seconds, then dies down to a normal sword. Many of the weapons also burst into their respective magical whatever when they actually activate their effect, stay burning for a little while, then die down to normal as above.
I think it's quite possible that when ZOS used the word *persistent*, they expected that it meant that the magical flame effect would be on as long as the weapon was drawn (whereas now, it's only temporary when the weapon is drawn) - technically, as far as I know, NO weapon has had an active particle effect while sheathed, which is why they probably felt that the word persistent would common-sensically apply to the only time when weapons have ever had a particle effect : namely, when they're drawn
of course, over the years, I've discovered that one person's common sense is another person's abject insanity, which is why I wish people would stop using the term "common sense".
just one possibility...
I think you are right. Also, a burning stick on your back is a health and safety issue.Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner2 -
Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think you (and ZOS) may have misinterpreted the use of the word "persistent"
I dunno about special cases, but most particle effects on UNSHEATHED weapons are temporary - when you draw your flaming enchanted sword, it bursts into flames, burns for several seconds, then dies down to a normal sword. Many of the weapons also burst into their respective magical whatever when they actually activate their effect, stay burning for a little while, then die down to normal as above.
I think it's quite possible that when ZOS used the word *persistent*, they expected that it meant that the magical flame effect would be on as long as the weapon was drawn (whereas now, it's only temporary when the weapon is drawn) - technically, as far as I know, NO weapon has had an active particle effect while sheathed, which is why they probably felt that the word persistent would common-sensically apply to the only time when weapons have ever had a particle effect : namely, when they're drawn
of course, over the years, I've discovered that one person's common sense is another person's abject insanity, which is why I wish people would stop using the term "common sense".
just one possibility...
I think you are right. Also, a burning stick on your back is a health and safety issue.
Several NPCs, like Tanval Indoril, have permanently flaming staves on their backs ...8 -
Ragged_Claw✭✭✭✭✭
✭In my opinion you need the flame always burning to hide the fact that the weapon models are nothing special, not for 2500 crowns. I'd be happy with the 'ocassional' flame effect if we could earn them in-game.PC EU & NA2 -
skepticck✭✭greenmachine wrote: »Whew, almost spent real money on that, close one. Thank you, OverDream!
Fix yo stuff ZoS!
I was going to buy it too because i really like the flame effect but knowing this yea no way,
so indeed thank you OP for saving me money, i hope it's a bug, if not i'm not buying any of these sets.1 -
Kingslayer513✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragged_Claw wrote: »In my opinion you need the flame always burning to hide the fact that the weapon models are nothing special, not for 2500 crowns. I'd be happy with the 'ocassional' flame effect if we could earn them in-game.
Exactly what I was thinking. The staff is more bland than some of the basic racial styles. The only selling point is that it would always be burning, which is unique and perhaps worth the cost. Well I guess that dream is RIP.5 -
BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭@ZOS_GinaBruno is it bugged? Was going to get em but not if they work like this!They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd0 -
Ragebull✭✭✭✭✭Preview shows that all weps have fire effect permanently, and when they in sheath too. I purchased the bundle and thought that now my char will be rock-n'rolling with firing blunt behind my back, but i was misrepresented, because firing effect is only when it is ready to cast, without any firing effect when it's behind char's back.
Any thoughts?
You cannot sheath weapons in the Crown Store preview window, and they are previewing as intended at the Outfit station - active effect when armed, inactive when sheathed. The Skyforge Smith Hammer style already functions like this so doubtful that it's a bug.
So I'm failing to see how anything is misrepresented, other than the existence of a sheathed weapon preview with the effect active.
Well they gave him a refund so I guess they succeeded in seeing what you failed to see9 -
EölMPK✭✭✭Another big let down, just behind the no cloaks excuses lolEöl[MPK]
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Drizztbr - Khajiit stamina nb"In my thoughts and in my dreams, they're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
Come close your eyes, you can see them too..."2 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well they gave him a refund so I guess they succeeded in seeing what you failed to see
Nobody's seeing a sheathed preview in the Crown Store. Not even support. That remains unproven and OP's statement still stands as false and misleading.
And I've had a billing support ticket in for 16 hours now so I'm also a little skeptical at a two hour turnaround for the items to be processed out of OP's Steam account and to get a crown refund.
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yurimodin✭✭✭2500 Crowns.....good grief that's half the price of a banker or merchant. Zo$ should team up with Apple to make in-game iScrolls where you have the glowing apple logo on the back of your map scroll in public areas......everyone could throw money at Zo$' feet for more iShiny.11
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't know what a "Gotcha!" culture is, but I think all of just read "persistent" to mean "always there", which is what the word means. There wasn't anything to suggest that there was any reason to ask for clarification. What would we have asked? "Gina, when the marketing team says persistent, do you think they might actually means sometimes? Could you check into that for us?"
I take persistent as a synonym of 'extended' or 'longer than usual'. As in a persistent cough or a persistent telemarketer. There's no perpetuality inferred from either.
I agree that it may have been better to actually describe the effect rather than let one word do all the heavy lifting, but 'persistent' and 'perpetual' are two different things.
synonyms: constant, continuous, continuing, continual, nonstop, never-ending, steady, uninterrupted, unbroken, interminable, incessant, unceasing, endless, unending, perpetual, unremitting, unrelenting, relentless, unrelieved, sustained
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Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
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"The Ilambris Arms Pack provides an Outfit look for weapons in the style of the Ilambris twins from the Crypt of Hearts dungeon. These weapon styles are the first in ESO to have persistent particle effects, and can be applied to any weapon at an Outfit Station. The pack contains one Outfit Change Token and the following weapon Outfit styles: Ilambris Battle Axe, Ilambris Bow, Ilambris Shield, Ilambris Staff, and Ilambris Sword."
I read this as 'weapon skins.' Persistent, in context, would appear to mean that once you apply the skin, the particle effect remains associated to the weapon until you remove it. It does not, however, mean that the particle effect is always on.
Persistent can be used with respect to a discrete noun, but it is most often used in conjunction with a state. Persistent infections (including chronic), persistent cell phone alerts, etc.
Edit: Of course, if the preview effect shows as always-on, that could be false advertising.
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't know what a "Gotcha!" culture is, but I think all of just read "persistent" to mean "always there", which is what the word means. There wasn't anything to suggest that there was any reason to ask for clarification. What would we have asked? "Gina, when the marketing team says persistent, do you think they might actually means sometimes? Could you check into that for us?"
I take persistent as a synonym of 'extended' or 'longer than usual'. As in a persistent cough or a persistent telemarketer. There's no perpetuality inferred from either.
I agree that it may have been better to actually describe the effect rather than let one word do all the heavy lifting, but 'persistent' and 'perpetual' are two different things.
Jesus. Give it up. You're embarrassing yourself here. Unbelievable. The onus should always, always be on the seller to advertise their products clearly and concisely. It's not for the buyer to start second guessing. The fact people are talking about this, means ZoS failed to advertise their product clearly. The fact you even attempt to make out the word "persistent" can be construed this way or that way means ZoS have failed miserably to advertise their product in a clear manner. Yeah, you might enjoy second guessing manufacturers or sellers when buying your goods and are willing to accept any old garbage thrown at you, most of us don't.
Edited by Prof_Bawbag on 25 July 2018 18:5423 -
Left4Daud✭✭✭✭✭
✭Way too expensive for a mostly incomplete style with super special glowy effects that only show up half the time.4 -
ruikkarikun✭✭✭✭✭Wow. Wait what?
So for example if this weapon unsheathed and you just staying/running fire effect will disappear after some time?
It is so bad for that price then and absolutely joke.3 -
Thannazzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Would be good to get an answer on this from ZOS while the pack is on sale.
Personally I'm happy with the current 'only flaming when drawn' model. But don't want to purchase if this is changed to 'also on fire when sheathed/slung' at a later date.2 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Thoughts:
I love them, though I'd love them more if the fire effect persisted while sheathed (for the fashion), but I still love them.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨0 -
Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I don't know what a "Gotcha!" culture is, but I think all of just read "persistent" to mean "always there", which is what the word means. There wasn't anything to suggest that there was any reason to ask for clarification. What would we have asked? "Gina, when the marketing team says persistent, do you think they might actually means sometimes? Could you check into that for us?"
I take persistent as a synonym of 'extended' or 'longer than usual'. As in a persistent cough or a persistent telemarketer. There's no perpetuality inferred from either.
I agree that it may have been better to actually describe the effect rather than let one word do all the heavy lifting, but 'persistent' and 'perpetual' are two different things.
Jesus. Give it up. You're embarrassing yourself here. Unbelievable. The onus should always, always be on the seller to advertise their products clearly and concisely. It's not for the buyer to start second guessing. The fact people are talking about this, means ZoS failed to advertise their product clearly. The fact you even attempt to make out the word "persistent" can be construed this way or that way means ZoS have failed miserably to advertise their product in a clear manner. Yeah, you might enjoy second guessing manufacturers or sellers when buying your goods and are willing to accept any or garbage thrown at you, most of us don't.
He's far from embarrassing himself, I think he has the right of it.
I wonder if it's "particle effect" that's actually tripping people up.
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Jesus. Give it up. You're embarrassing yourself here. Unbelievable.
Maybe after being up in the middle of the night dealing with a rapidly leaking aquarium, I know that *** happens, you deal with it, and you move on.
Some people in this community don't do that. That's why I'm calling out the “Gotcha!” culture here. Because ZOS doesn't care how righteous you feel after smugly patting yourself on the back over what amounts to trivial details on an item that people would inevitably find some other reason to *** about anyway. It's so predictable anymore.
I get it. Nobody's particularly happy about anything. It feels good to have a tiny little victory when everything's going to ***. But you have to ask yourself why you're yelling at a cracked egg instead of either making an omelet or throwing it out.
So apologizes for not falling on the basher bandwagon. But I don't yell at cracked eggs and I'm certainly not going to yell at one that never looked cracked in the first place.signing off4 -
Wait werent the frozen weapons that are currently on PTS with particle effects when in sheath. So why dont ilambris weapons having particle effects in that stance too? Please correct me if I'm wrong.1 -
Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Probably this is the type of effect it should give, but heck this was just a visual bug, fixed long ago and not Illambris
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Edited by Gargath on 25 July 2018 20:26PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."3 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nice that they are giving out refunds. Seems like the confusion could be solved just by adding "when drawn" or something to that effect right after the word "persistent" in the description.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Don’t worry, people aren’t
It’s overpriced, not very appealing visually, and doesn’t match what was advertised
All that on top of being things that should be earnable in game6
