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To many opened chests
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorry but I have only 3 spots left in inventory :P Cant take any thrash in so I just take gold and valuable set pieces.
Easy solution! Take the trash first, destroy it, take the gold and valuable set pieces!
But see, that would require you to value being considerate to others. It doesn't sound to me like being considerate is something you are willing to prioritize.6 -
Armatesz✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Sorry but I have only 3 spots left in inventory :P Cant take any thrash in so I just take gold and valuable set pieces.
Easy solution! Take the trash first, destroy it, take the gold and valuable set pieces!
But see, that would require you to value being considerate to others. It doesn't sound to me like being considerate is something you are willing to prioritize.
Flawed system, if others are roaming around and you have limited space, taking trash first opens up the chance others can snag the items you are actually after.Ärmätèsz
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »I'm sorry, but we are animals. Discard the negative stigma you associate with the term "animal", and look at it with an open mind. We just like to lie to ourselves, and I'm no exception.
I'm not 100% certain I haven't encountered a few vegetables running PUGs before.1 -
Sinolai✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Sorry but I have only 3 spots left in inventory :P Cant take any thrash in so I just take gold and valuable set pieces.
Easy solution! Take the trash first, destroy it, take the gold and valuable set pieces!
But see, that would require you to value being considerate to others. It doesn't sound to me like being considerate is something you are willing to prioritize.
it risks someone robbing me and takes long time to desteoy all trash every time.Edited by Sinolai on 12 March 2018 15:121 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Sorry but I have only 3 spots left in inventory :P Cant take any thrash in so I just take gold and valuable set pieces.
Easy solution! Take the trash first, destroy it, take the gold and valuable set pieces!
But see, that would require you to value being considerate to others. It doesn't sound to me like being considerate is something you are willing to prioritize.
Flawed system, if others are roaming around and you have limited space, taking trash first opens up the chance others can snag the items you are actually after.
What about my primary suggestion but it also locks the chest to you only so you can only loot the contents before going on to grab the next chest, also will work with nodes as well to even screw with the bots so they'd have to pick everything up0 -
WarMasterCyp✭✭✭Something really needs to be done about this toxic way of playing the game leaving trash for other people wasting everyone's time I suggest that you can't loot another chest unless you previously loot everything to make the chest despawn, or till it despawns on its own.
Don't forget botters who are programmed to loot only good stuff.. I see a lot in groups walking around and looting stuff0 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have to refute the idea that posting complaints about this type of antisocial behavior is "inciting hatred." That's ridiculous. I hated people who leave trash in chests long before I ever laid eyes on the forum at all. It's the behavior that incites hatred, not people complaining about it. If you don't want people to hate you, quit doing stuff that makes you a jerk.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Sorry but I have only 3 spots left in inventory :P Cant take any thrash in so I just take gold and valuable set pieces.
Easy solution! Take the trash first, destroy it, take the gold and valuable set pieces!
But see, that would require you to value being considerate to others. It doesn't sound to me like being considerate is something you are willing to prioritize.
it risks someone robbing me and takes long time to desteoy all trash every time.
Okay. Yeah, it does. You've prioritized your risk from other much more inconsiderate people (seriously, stealing a chest someone else is looting is low) over being considerate to others who are farming. Which is a decision you have to make, but it doesn't make you any less inconsiderate to the person who gets left with no gold, no xp, and your trash.
Again, I can't make you value being considerate to others, but I can tell its not something you are willing to prioritize.1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WarMasterCyp wrote: »Something really needs to be done about this toxic way of playing the game leaving trash for other people wasting everyone's time I suggest that you can't loot another chest unless you previously loot everything to make the chest despawn, or till it despawns on its own.
Don't forget botters who are programmed to loot only good stuff.. I see a lot in groups walking around and looting stuff
Exactly my point, you won't be able to loot nodes above the previous one you currently have active unless its emptied or despawned0 -
Vanthras79✭✭✭✭✭Fyi just ran into nearly 20 opened chests in vvard, probably by the same person
Motifs, motifs, where are the motifs?Edited by Vanthras79 on 12 March 2018 15:29Norion Germain - Telvanni Wizard, Covenant Battle Mage, Mage's Guild Magister, Resident of Daggerfall Overlook, Lord of Tel Galen, Psijic Monk, Antiquarian, Breton Scholar, and Traveler.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Sorry but I have only 3 spots left in inventory :P Cant take any thrash in so I just take gold and valuable set pieces.
Easy solution! Take the trash first, destroy it, take the gold and valuable set pieces!
But see, that would require you to value being considerate to others. It doesn't sound to me like being considerate is something you are willing to prioritize.
it risks someone robbing me and takes long time to desteoy all trash every time.
Okay. Yeah, it does. You've prioritized your risk from other much more inconsiderate people (seriously, stealing a chest someone else is looting is low) over being considerate to others who are farming. Which is a decision you have to make, but it doesn't make you any less inconsiderate to the person who gets left with no gold, no xp, and your trash.
Again, I can't make you value being considerate to others, but I can tell its not something you are willing to prioritize.
I get your point, and I want to agree with you because I find those chests annoying, but I can't agree with you. Inventory management is so horrible in this game (and so expensive to fix) that a lot of players would quit before doing that management you want them to do. Personally, I take long breaks from the game in between single sub months because inventory management sucks so hard and there isn't enough new content to pay for a sub year-round..0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Sorry but I have only 3 spots left in inventory :P Cant take any thrash in so I just take gold and valuable set pieces.
Easy solution! Take the trash first, destroy it, take the gold and valuable set pieces!
But see, that would require you to value being considerate to others. It doesn't sound to me like being considerate is something you are willing to prioritize.
it risks someone robbing me and takes long time to desteoy all trash every time.
Okay. Yeah, it does. You've prioritized your risk from other much more inconsiderate people (seriously, stealing a chest someone else is looting is low) over being considerate to others who are farming. Which is a decision you have to make, but it doesn't make you any less inconsiderate to the person who gets left with no gold, no xp, and your trash.
Again, I can't make you value being considerate to others, but I can tell its not something you are willing to prioritize.
I get your point, and I want to agree with you because I find those chests annoying, but I can't agree with you. Inventory management is so horrible in this game (and so expensive to fix) that a lot of players would quit before doing that management you want them to do. Personally, I take long breaks from the game in between single sub months because inventory management sucks so hard and there isn't enough new content to pay for a sub year-round..
People also quit for wasting there time looting emptied crap already as well.2 -
smacky✭✭✭I have to refute the idea that posting complaints about this type of antisocial behavior is "inciting hatred." That's ridiculous. I hated people who leave trash in chests long before I ever laid eyes on the forum at all. It's the behavior that incites hatred, not people complaining about it. If you don't want people to hate you, quit doing stuff that makes you a jerk.
I agree with the sentiment of your statement, but I think you are going to far in calling it Anti-Social behaviour.
I think valid arguments have been made both ways on the point, and I'm not saying you have to agree with either opinion, but I haven't seen any reasons expressed for people doing so that point toward people intentionally being jerks as you put it.
People have given reasons, and you may not find them to your satisfaction, but they haven't been "brecause I feel like it" which is what I would expect from someone being anti-social or a jerk.1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Sorry but I have only 3 spots left in inventory :P Cant take any thrash in so I just take gold and valuable set pieces.
Easy solution! Take the trash first, destroy it, take the gold and valuable set pieces!
But see, that would require you to value being considerate to others. It doesn't sound to me like being considerate is something you are willing to prioritize.
Something that a lot of people lack, to be honest.
But, keep in mind that Auto Loot does not take stuff in reverse order of value.
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DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have to refute the idea that posting complaints about this type of antisocial behavior is "inciting hatred." That's ridiculous. I hated people who leave trash in chests long before I ever laid eyes on the forum at all. It's the behavior that incites hatred, not people complaining about it. If you don't want people to hate you, quit doing stuff that makes you a jerk.
I agree with the sentiment of your statement, but I think you are going to far in calling it Anti-Social behaviour.
I think valid arguments have been made both ways on the point, and I'm not saying you have to agree with either opinion, but I haven't seen any reasons expressed for people doing so that point toward people intentionally being jerks as you put it.
People have given reasons, and you may not find them to your satisfaction, but they haven't been "brecause I feel like it" which is what I would expect from someone being anti-social or a jerk.
Actually, some of them have been "because I feel like it". If you'd like I'll go find them but they are here.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »I have to refute the idea that posting complaints about this type of antisocial behavior is "inciting hatred." That's ridiculous. I hated people who leave trash in chests long before I ever laid eyes on the forum at all. It's the behavior that incites hatred, not people complaining about it. If you don't want people to hate you, quit doing stuff that makes you a jerk.
I agree with the sentiment of your statement, but I think you are going to far in calling it Anti-Social behaviour.
I think valid arguments have been made both ways on the point, and I'm not saying you have to agree with either opinion, but I haven't seen any reasons expressed for people doing so that point toward people intentionally being jerks as you put it.
People have given reasons, and you may not find them to your satisfaction, but they haven't been "brecause I feel like it" which is what I would expect from someone being anti-social or a jerk.
Actually, some of them have been "because I feel like it". If you'd like I'll go find them but they are here.0 -
smacky✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »I have to refute the idea that posting complaints about this type of antisocial behavior is "inciting hatred." That's ridiculous. I hated people who leave trash in chests long before I ever laid eyes on the forum at all. It's the behavior that incites hatred, not people complaining about it. If you don't want people to hate you, quit doing stuff that makes you a jerk.
I agree with the sentiment of your statement, but I think you are going to far in calling it Anti-Social behaviour.
I think valid arguments have been made both ways on the point, and I'm not saying you have to agree with either opinion, but I haven't seen any reasons expressed for people doing so that point toward people intentionally being jerks as you put it.
People have given reasons, and you may not find them to your satisfaction, but they haven't been "brecause I feel like it" which is what I would expect from someone being anti-social or a jerk.
Actually, some of them have been "because I feel like it". If you'd like I'll go find them but they are here.
There may have been 1 or 2 that I missed, I have been keeping up with this thread though.
That said, your comment about anti-social behaviour was in relation to the game, and using 1 or 2 bad eggs to paint the overall response in the forum that I am referring to as anti-social is plain wrong.1 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Errr, what did I say about anti-social behaviour?
Or are you extrapolating that from my disdain of people who can't be arsed to be considerate?
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake1 -
smacky✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Errr, what did I say about anti-social behaviour?
Or are you extrapolating that from my disdain of people who can't be arsed to be considerate?
You have my apologies, as I thought you were the person to whom I was replying in the post which you replied to, if that isn;t too confusing.0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Errr, what did I say about anti-social behaviour?
Or are you extrapolating that from my disdain of people who can't be arsed to be considerate?
You have my apologies, as I thought you were the person to whom I was replying in the post which you replied to, if that isn;t too confusing.
No worries. I thought that might be the case.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
Scorpiodisc✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »I have no inventory space...my bank is full... I don't want to spend 40K on more.
If I pick up that pointless piece of equipment in this chest I'll have to stop my adventuring and go back to town to sell/decon/bank all this trash... this is particularly bad in VVaadenfel where Vivec is the only place with a bank and crafting tables
... or I can just leave the trash in this chest and continue with my adventure.
May your bare feet always find hidden leggos in the carpet by treding blindly upon them.Edited by Scorpiodisc on 12 March 2018 20:245 -
Sinthrax✭✭✭✭I leave stuff in chest all the time. If it is full of junk I just move on to the next one. I am doing you a favor. After all, you can sale it for gold.1 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I hadn't planned on commenting, as I am neutral to the subject, but I had a weird experience the other day regarding this. I was in Deshaan doing a bit of dolmen running when I came across a Master lock chest. Nobody was around, so I picked it and looted everything. Suddenly I got a whisper from someone who says "Thanks for ninja looting. You're supposed to leave something behind, not take it all. Rude". I looked and saw a vet rank player angrily hopping behind me.
So, I guess some players like have stuff left behind -shrug-"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
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By wasting the other peoples time and *** them off to make them leave the game as over a couple inconsiderate people? I would think ZoS would've done something by now
if only it was that easy. I mean you are the one asking to ban other players from looting because you feel hard done by. If i promise to leave half empty nodes and chests, will you leave? or at least stop making selfish stupid requests like you've done in this thread and others?
you and your cronies insist we are deliberately doing it just to annoy you and we're all sorts of names, like inconsiderate and scum and others. Yet we arent the ones asking a game dev to stop you from doing something very basic like looting. Inconsiderate? Its you. Scum? Its you .You are trying to interfere with other players playing the game. and asking for the devs help to do so.
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Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »Changing the graphic per your suggestion would solve most of the problems IF the de-spawn time were shorter. The longer an open chests sits on the map, the longer it takes for a new locked chest to spawn-in (within that general vicinity).
Shortened despawn time would make it less likely to come across the chest. I don't know if it would have much impact on the spawning of a new chest. It is more likely that some undiscovered chests in a strange and remote sections of the zone would influence spawning of new chests, if in fact there is a limit to how many chests can be spawned at a given time.
There is a boatload of information that we don't know about how the game determines where, and when, chests spawn. My guess is that the open chest depawn time is well accounted for in that equation. In other words, the time it takes to despawn an opened chest is shorter than the time that has to pass before the game spawns a new chest. The two being independent timers.
That is how resource nodes work, at least last time I checked.
You said a shortened despawn time would make it less likely to come across a chest. I think you may have misunderstood or misread what I said because your comment makes no sense in relation to what I was talking about.
So, let me explain it again:- There are fixed points on the map where a chest can spawn in.
- The number of spawn points always exceeds the number of treasure chests that can appear on the map at a given time.
- When the number of chests on the map has reached its maximum, one of the existing chests must despawn in order for a new chest to appear.
- The new chest will spawn at one of the open map points, based on an RNG determination.
- If you loot a chest fully, it despawns immediately, but, if you only partially loot a chest, it takes 10 minutes to despawn.
So ... when a treasure chest is only partially looted (and left that way), there is a 10 minute delay before it despawns, which also means there is a 10 minute delay before another chest spawns in . This type of delay reduces the number of chests that can 'spawn in' ... and THAT creates the situation making it less likely for a player to come across a chest.
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Armatesz✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Changing the graphic per your suggestion would solve most of the problems IF the de-spawn time were shorter. The longer an open chests sits on the map, the longer it takes for a new locked chest to spawn-in (within that general vicinity).
Shortened despawn time would make it less likely to come across the chest. I don't know if it would have much impact on the spawning of a new chest. It is more likely that some undiscovered chests in a strange and remote sections of the zone would influence spawning of new chests, if in fact there is a limit to how many chests can be spawned at a given time.
There is a boatload of information that we don't know about how the game determines where, and when, chests spawn. My guess is that the open chest depawn time is well accounted for in that equation. In other words, the time it takes to despawn an opened chest is shorter than the time that has to pass before the game spawns a new chest. The two being independent timers.
That is how resource nodes work, at least last time I checked.
A shortened despawn time would make it less likely to come across a chest? You may have misunderstood or misread what I was saying, because your comment makes no sense in relation to what I was talking about.
So, let me explain it again:- There are fixed points on the map where a chest can spawn in.
- The number of spawn points always exceeds the number of treasure chests that can appear on the map at a given time.
- When the number of chests on the map has reached its maximum, one of the existing chests must despawn in order for a new chest to appear.
- The new chest will spawn at one of the open map points, based on an RNG determination.
- If you loot a chest fully, it despawns immediately, but, if you only partially loot a chest, it takes 10 minutes to despawn.
So ... when a treasure chest is only partially looted (and left that way), there is a 10 minute delay before it despawns, which also means there is a 10 minute delay before another chest spawns in . This type of delay reduces the number of chests that can 'spawn in' ... and THAT creates a situation making it less likely for a player to come across a chest.
Done about 30 chests where I left items in, common time was 5 minutes. Xbox na I stayed near it while not looking at it.Ärmätèsz
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Changing the graphic per your suggestion would solve most of the problems IF the de-spawn time were shorter. The longer an open chests sits on the map, the longer it takes for a new locked chest to spawn-in (within that general vicinity).
Shortened despawn time would make it less likely to come across the chest. I don't know if it would have much impact on the spawning of a new chest. It is more likely that some undiscovered chests in a strange and remote sections of the zone would influence spawning of new chests, if in fact there is a limit to how many chests can be spawned at a given time.
There is a boatload of information that we don't know about how the game determines where, and when, chests spawn. My guess is that the open chest depawn time is well accounted for in that equation. In other words, the time it takes to despawn an opened chest is shorter than the time that has to pass before the game spawns a new chest. The two being independent timers.
That is how resource nodes work, at least last time I checked.
A shortened despawn time would make it less likely to come across a chest? You may have misunderstood or misread what I was saying, because your comment makes no sense in relation to what I was talking about.
So, let me explain it again:- There are fixed points on the map where a chest can spawn in.
- The number of spawn points always exceeds the number of treasure chests that can appear on the map at a given time.
- When the number of chests on the map has reached its maximum, one of the existing chests must despawn in order for a new chest to appear.
- The new chest will spawn at one of the open map points, based on an RNG determination.
- If you loot a chest fully, it despawns immediately, but, if you only partially loot a chest, it takes 10 minutes to despawn.
So ... when a treasure chest is only partially looted (and left that way), there is a 10 minute delay before it despawns, which also means there is a 10 minute delay before another chest spawns in . This type of delay reduces the number of chests that spawn in and THAT creates a situation making it less likely for a player to come across a chest.
Yeah, I just don't know why ZoS didn't think this through to begin with tbh, I kind of like my idea to handle things equally among everyone and also to get the bots to lay off leaving so many empty nodes with just crap in them.
1. Player opens chest but doesn't loot everything or is full
2. The container chest or node locks to that player's account until it either despawns or they loot everything to make it despawn
3. No one can loot that container other than the specified account owner
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Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I hadn't planned on commenting, as I am neutral to the subject, but I had a weird experience the other day regarding this. I was in Deshaan doing a bit of dolmen running when I came across a Master lock chest. Nobody was around, so I picked it and looted everything. Suddenly I got a whisper from someone who says "Thanks for ninja looting. You're supposed to leave something behind, not take it all. Rude". I looked and saw a vet rank player angrily hopping behind me.
So, I guess some players like have stuff left behind -shrug-
That dude was completely insane. Weirdest reaction to missing out on a chest someone else got to first that I have ever heard of. Wonder if some smartaleck taught him that for laughs or to shut him up after he ran into a trash chest himself.3
