Play your NB, DK, Sorc healers. Just don’t expect me to play with you.

Masel · January 2018

Mureel wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

It's posts like these that I hate.

If you are a DD or tank who knows what they're doing, you don't even need a healer, there's only a few situations where you'd actually need one.

I have a guildmate that has all classes ready for healing trials and you can do a great job with all of them. And I've been into competitive PvE for about a year now.

The sole advantage a templar has is Breath of Life, that's it.

HAVE FUN IN VHOF without a healer - jesus christ I am sick of these posts.

Also, a whole year? *hands over brownie button*

I didn't say you don't need a healer in vHoF, or do you see that in my reply?

Your answer is so blatantly idiotic that I'm not even going to bother with answering...

The_Brosteen · January 2018

When I tanked vet trials on my nightblade, depending on the healers we had a warhorn going every 12 sec or so. I could get 2 warhorns for the other tank and healers 1. You ever see a nightblade tank 7 axes in vet AA? Other classes can be good at tanking just gotta know how to use them. Not sure about healers but I've seen sorc healers heal better than many templars.

Best in slot is always skill.

Marginis · January 2018

Runefang wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

Ah, it's like those who like to tell me a nightblade can't be a tank. You have fun doing your basic dragonknight tank, I'll be over here tanking just as well with about 5 other extra things that you can't do.

Except when there are multiple ranged mobs that your dps have to go burn down individually because you couldn't chain them into the DPS' aoe. They also can't then run away because talons.

DKs can do 5 things your NB can't, they just so happen to be more important as well.

For the record, I never said DK doesn't have 5 things a NB can't do. A templar has 5 other things that neither a nightblade or dragonknight could do. Same with warden and sorcerer. My point was that classes can play multiple roles, equally effectively, just in different ways. If you say a tank can only be good if the tank can do things only a DK can do, then fair enough, but I would then argue that that's a terrible standard to judge a tank by.

Yeah, that warden is terrible at ganking in pvp because they can't use shadow cloak! <---See the terrible logic? There are other ways to achieve the desired effect (stealthing), not to mention that invisibility isn't the only factor going into ganking (burst damage, range, stuns and roots, etc.). If you can't work your way around that, fine, but that's no reason to say it's impossible. It's more just that you lack creativity in getting around certain shortfalls in order to gain other benefits.

tl;dr You don't need to be a templar to be a good healer, or a dragonknight to be a good tank. Classes and roles are not mutually exclusive to each other. If you can't make something work, that's on you, and does not mean it's impossible.

magictucktuck · January 2018

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

Its actually better.. you get more dps with a NB heals and are done faster... i guess u cant keep yourself alive

More dps...in a vet trial....

When exactly does the nightblade have time to do that when he should be worrying about buffing his teammates??

Oh right, you didn’t read the post at all.

Your'e right i didn't read it, if you were not talking to a bunch of the community (that does play that way) like they are smaller than you I'm sure more people would have given the time to read the ENTIRE thing. but the way you presented it was (seemingly) meant to make people angry / feel bad. So you probably should have expected this kind of response

phileunderx2 · January 2018

Every class in the game can be a good healer. Every class can wear spc. Every class can get ele drain. Every class can get combat prayer. Every class can get orbs. Every class can get springs. Only thing templar have that is
unique is bol and a good healer rarely uses it.

mikemacon · January 2018

I’m just going to leave this right here...

https://alcasthq.com/eso-sorcerer-tank-build-pve/

victoriana-blue · January 2018

The_Brosteen wrote: »

When I tanked vet trials on my nightblade, depending on the healers we had a warhorn going every 12 sec or so. I could get 2 warhorns for the other tank and healers 1. You ever see a nightblade tank 7 axes in vet AA? Other classes can be good at tanking just gotta know how to use them. Not sure about healers but I've seen sorc healers heal better than many templars.

Best in slot is always skill.

"Best in slot is always skill" needs to be on a loading screen, a forum banner, and possibly stapled to people's foreheads.

(Was the vAA run post-Morrowind, and if so how did you/the tank manage it? This is relevant to my interests.)

Asardes · January 2018

I was bored tonight and did the pledges again on my inadequate, good for nothing sorcerer healer. I managed no-death HM speed run in vCoA 2 and vFH HM, with a few deaths. I must punish myself for such blatant failures

clocksstoppe · January 2018

Without major mending templar is kind of a joke now. Sure they are still seen as THE choice for minmaxing but I would say warden is literally better and other classes are only 5% behind at most. The truth is templar has only breath of life over the bottom 3 healers and it's not even a very good skill.

Chaos2088 · January 2018

I have a DK healer and pretty dam fine good healer if I do say so myself! -dusts shoulders off-

But i kinda get op's point, temp and warden healers have class skills that you can add to builds, so they do have more in their arsenal to use..

This is why I would like an extra class line for each class to balance this out, it would give people the option to play any class to any role they want.

Cloudless · January 2018

So... Are french fries allowed or do I have to stick to the popcorn meta while reading this glorious trainwreck of a thread?

Jowrik · January 2018

Well that's a load of BS. I agree with you to some extent if you'd be talking about DPS. You'd be the guy that wouldn't allow a 35k Bow DPS in a vet Trial either because "bow is inferior".

Healing is something way different. Give me some reasoning as to why Templar is superior in healing compared to say Nightblade?

Voxicity · January 2018

People saying you must suck cause you can't keep yourself alive

I mean I did vFH last night with a bad sorc healer in the group. He was bad at playing and his setup was bad, no getting around that fact

We got to last boss pretty fine because my wife (tank) can keep herself alive, I can keep myself alive and the other dd was decent and could keep himself alive

The sorc healer was dying all over the place but who cares

Then at last boss, in the final phase where aoe healing is really crucial, he is popping mutagen a couple of times, magelight(????) and doing resto light attacks

This guy doesn't even have a sorc ability slotted, or even the core resto staff abilities slotted.

So I think the real problem is the combination of a bad player and a bad setup. It just makes it so much more worse.

We got a proper heal in and cleared it fine in the end

Asardes · January 2018

I'm sure he'll not play with you

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4825148/#Comment_4825148

deepseamk20b14_ESO · January 2018

must be super fun to play with!

troomar · January 2018

Asardes wrote: »

I'm sure he'll not play with you
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4825148/#Comment_4825148

So @Alcast has finally added a Sorc healer to his list. That's great news, because he is a famous influencer and his builds are often considered a starting point for beginners. With a Sorc Healer build in his list, the oppression of non-Templar healers might come to an end!

I have only 1 objection to the build - Inner Light is great, no doubt, but I prefer Mutagen over Inner light, because I have around 20% higher uptime for SPC buff with it. And it heals a lot over time.

LiquidPony · January 2018

OP exemplifies the worst kind of player in ESO: completed some end-game content and now they think they know everything and they're the hottest *** in the game, and now they're qualified to dictate how other people play.

This is why end-game PvE'ers have the "arrogant, elitist a-holes" reputation. I'll note that the well-known theorycrafters/leaderboard folks I see commenting in this thread all disagree with the premise.

Next you're gonna tell me my main tank shouldn't be using a lightning staff and my off tank shouldn't be using a 2H backbar.

Koensol · February 2018

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

I’m sure you can heal dungeons and normal trials easily with just orbs and spring, but I’ll be off elsewhere with my extended ritual, BoL, shards, and Power of the Light. Enjoy yourself, though. And remember, you are unique!

The bolded is just soul crushingly dumb and narrowminded. Can't put it any other way. You think bol makes a healer? You really do? Sad thing. Just remember to keep following the sheep herde, OP. You will get terribly lost otherwise.

WuffyCerulei · February 2018

You're the kind of person who shouldn't be doing end-game pve with that elitist attitude.

RobbieRocket · February 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

It's posts like these that I hate.

If you are a DD or tank who knows what they're doing, you don't even need a healer, there's only a few situations where you'd actually need one.

I have a guildmate that has all classes ready for healing trials and you can do a great job with all of them. And I've been into competitive PvE for about a year now.

The sole advantage a templar has is Breath of Life, that's it.

This is wrong! (and I also don't agree with the OP).

The biggest benefit of a Templar are the 4 Restoring Light passives, then 3 of the Restoring Light skills (Ritual, Rune, Aura) and finally the passives of Dawn's Wrath and Aedric Spear.

Breath of Life is far from the best heal in the game and only heals 1.5 players with no Magicka retrieval.
A well placed Combat Prayer with aforementioned passives will heal entire group to full, add 1300 phys and spell resistance + 8% damage to all.

RobbieRocket · February 2018

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Every class in the game can be a good healer. Every class can wear spc. Every class can get ele drain. Every class can get combat prayer. Every class can get orbs. Every class can get springs. Only thing templar have that is
unique is bol and a good healer rarely uses it.

Your incorrect statement: Only thing templar have that is unique is bol
Fact: Only unique thing a Templar has is 3 skill lines (Aedric Spear, Dawn's Wrath, Restoring Light) and all the abilities and passives within that.

The problem with much of this thread is that people ignore passives and passive effects of abilities. How would anyone know (except for their regular group mates) exactly which passives people have. If you assume that all relevant passives are present (because they always should be, at this level of discussion) then the statement above is completely wrong.

The Templar passives have a massive effect on any healing, not limited to Templar abilities.

FYI: I play only healer, I don't use BoL, I may or may not be a "good" healer.

Masel · February 2018

RobbieRocket wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

It's posts like these that I hate.

If you are a DD or tank who knows what they're doing, you don't even need a healer, there's only a few situations where you'd actually need one.

I have a guildmate that has all classes ready for healing trials and you can do a great job with all of them. And I've been into competitive PvE for about a year now.

The sole advantage a templar has is Breath of Life, that's it.

This is wrong! (and I also don't agree with the OP).

The biggest benefit of a Templar are the 4 Restoring Light passives, then 3 of the Restoring Light skills (Ritual, Rune, Aura) and finally the passives of Dawn's Wrath and Aedric Spear.

Breath of Life is far from the best heal in the game and only heals 1.5 players with no Magicka retrieval.
A well placed Combat Prayer with aforementioned passives will heal entire group to full, add 1300 phys and spell resistance + 8% damage to all.

In older trials, I'd agree with what you said.

In vHoF and vAS however the group is often so spread out that Breath of life is the only heal that reliably hits the right target when you need it to.

You simply cannot hit everyone with Combat prayer in vAS +2. Breath of life is the reason we even run a templar offtank in there.

aeowulf · February 2018

LiquidPony wrote: »

Next you're gonna tell me my main tank shouldn't be using a lightning staff

definitely not, you'll electrocute all the fish

re the Alcast builds, he clearly states they are for dungeons and will not compete with meta roles. Trials are always going to be a pain, I tanked a few on my NB pre Morrowind, they were fine. But now I would not even attempt a normal one on my NB - way less chance given to non-meta classes, you will not be forgiven for one tiny error. Someone playing the meta will shrug and carry on.

The gap of meta -> non-meta feels much larger than ever before these days and that is driving people to assume there is a higher chance the non-meta is worse. Technically they are right, but then you get some highly skilled people that can make the non-meta work, who are not given the chance because of 96% have difficulties making the class work.

People complaining about nerfs to classes that reduce their dps by a few % are hilarious, or my bird is now dodgeable! omg omg the world will end, no more warden. Try comparing that to a role being played by only 2% of a class's players since day one, and these folks never being allowed in pug trials.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · September 2018

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

I’m sure you have a jolly good time healing on these classes. Who doesn’t like relying almost purely on the Resto Staff abilities, with marginal utility offered by class abilities.

And yes, I’m taking into account your Matriarch, and your Funnel Health/Sap/Refreshing Path, and that Igneous shield and flames of oblivion morph.

And they suck.

You can play any race you want as a healer or tank, but not any class. Unless you plan on being just solo, or running dungeons and normal trials, then by all means. But don’t expect a group to rally behind you when you say you want to heal vMoL or vHoF. Unlike players that play the classes overwhelming suited foe that role, you have an upward climb to convince people you can play that class so effectively that it doesn’t diminish your chances at success (11 other people are relying on you. It’s presumptious, and egotistical, to expect them to devote their TIME to what is a very risky proposition).

I’m sure you can heal dungeons and normal trials easily with just orbs and spring, but I’ll be off elsewhere with my extended ritual, BoL, shards, and Power of the Light. Enjoy yourself, though. And remember, you are unique!

As if anyone wanted to play with you anyway.

Cadbury · September 2018

Ah, a classic from the vaults

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StamWhipCultist · September 2018

OP seems to position so bad that it need an army of BoL spammers to keep it alive.

Its ok, its an MMORPG, plenty of time to improve your and your group skills, no matter what you decided to play.

Tryxus · September 2018

Necromancy healing confirmed?

Hotel6 · September 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

I'd tell you to git gud.

If someone is playing an off-meta class as a healer, it's because they know they can pull it off.

The best PUG healer I have ever run into was a Mag DK, and they were good enough to run vWGT with a DPS mag sorc as a tank.

If you need a Templar tied to your belt spamming Breath of Life every other second in order to run a dungeon, then I think there is plenty for you to improve on.

Mag sorc tank? how did he pull that off?

Banana · September 2018

Take a break. Have a

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swirve · September 2018

Since this thread started ZoS have broken so many things in the game...