Magdalina wrote: »

Erm...what? How is that "exploited"?o.O What is even that unphathomably awesome thing you find in Craglorn that others must earn their way up to? Is it the crap xp from quests? Is it the green(or is it purple already? Still worthless) quest reward of a trash set? Is it the amazing nirnhoned piece of gear for research that you get after fully completing both Lower and Upper Crag storylines - or just buy off a guildtrader with the gold you can earn in 1/20th of the time spent on that questing? Is it the extraordinary 5k gold worth nirncrux with 1/200 droprate? I'm at a loss at what the unworthy plebs can even exploit there, what is it that I missed?

Pretty sure the "exploit" is:
A. Skyreach farming
B. Spellscar farming
C. Nirncrux farming

To which 1 & 2 are only slightly better and more convenient than other grind spots available in other zones and 3 was something you could do well before you reached Veteran 11 before One Tamriel. I started farming nirncrux for gold at Vet rank 4.

Exploited? Pay to access Craglorn? Seriously? Craglorn WAS FREE for us who started playing at the beginning. Sure, it was harder and accessing it wasn't as easy but they changed all that with One Tamriel and honestly, it helps with the gaming community because any friend of any level can join you in any of the quests. If I want to do the daily quests in Craglorn and introduce a new guild member to it, I can. Its not a DLC so it SHOULD be available to everyone. Don't act like Craglorn was so hard to access because it wasn't.

crowfl56 wrote: »

I will ask 1 question of you defenders of everyone be aloud to access craglorn , before earning their right to be there.

Why is craglorn so over populated that you can't move, if its not being used as an exploit or whatever you want to call it?

Skyreach has been a constant , whatever u want to call it for powerleveling anything and anyone, that alone should have

warrented the change back to earning your way into craglorn (through the quests), lots of todays players want it all now,

there in its self is a major problem, this is why I posted this.

Skyreach is merely the most convenient instanced grinding spot in the game. If stopping grinding is your goal then ZOS needs to start charging for the Alikr Dolmens right away. Oh, and public dungeons, because I've totally helped friends power level by farming public dungeons. So, uh, let's ban grouping and any spot where you might get a lot of exp from killing a bunch of enemies...

The only thing that was necessary to earn your way into Craglorn pre-One Tamriel was to be over Level 50 and go to your faction's capital city and find the questgiver standing by a wagon. Wow. Such effort. I mean, you couldn't accomplish much without a group of Vet 11 players (except for farming nirncrux which you could totally go at any level that you could get the Craglorn with). That's totally "earning your way to Craglorn."

As for Craglorn being overpopulated...

Before One Tamriel, Craglorn was dead. DEAD. Zone chat? DEAD. Players running around doing quests? HAHAHA! Nope!

Look, I farmed Craglorn a lot pre-One Tamriel. A good portion of my fortune came from nirncrux (remember I was not Vet 11 at this point, so I was totally exploiting I guess?). Craglorn was empty before One Tamriel.

Now? Craglorn feels alive. There are people in Craglorn. If you want to do anomalies or Anka-Ra or group quests, you can actually find people willing to do them with you for zone chat. Its glorious.

Bottom line, One Tamriel may have opened up Craglorn to a bunch of people who only want to grind for exp but it also opened up the zone to people who want to adventure, do quests, fight monsters, and have fun. I'll put up with the grinders and their ever-present mating calls of "skyreach carries" in order to have a zone filled with people to adventure and farm with.

crowfl56 wrote: »

Well u got one part right, using the zone to power level.

Which I might add is just your generations way of playing any game.

The ( I want it all now crowd ) can't be bothered to do a quest or 2, nope, just get me to max level please please.

Plus, Craglorn was never and I mean NEVER empty, it just had real players in it, that , yes , had leveled without grinding,

those nasty and fun monsters where hard to beat solo, not milk toast, as they are now.

So just keep defending the idiots that now fill craglorn.

Sheesh

BWAHAHAHA! "My generations way of playing the game." LOL! Really, its just the post-One Tamriel way to play now that grinding doesn't mean you outlevel quest content. So you can thank ZOS for that change.

Hey, I know Craglorn had players in it! It had me, that Vet 4 farmer who leveled up to Vet 4 without grinding because grinding before One Tamriel meant you out-leveled quest content. But I totally "earned" my way into Craglorn, right? And totally earned all those nirncrux I got too

Look, if your gripe is grinding, you've got bigger problems than defending the purity of your Craglorn nostalgia.

But that's really what this is. Defending your Craglorn nostalgia against those horrible noobs that One Tamriel let in to enjoy, and play and quest and farm and grind in your precious and previously pristine (and practically empty and dead) Craglorn.

I'd far rather have a zone with people in it that I can play with and randomly do quests with and chat with and argue with and find trials groups with and buy and sell with (basically like every other zone in the game) than go back to the practically dead and empty but super challenging Craglorn of my nostalgic past.

But if you want to wallow in nostalgia, go right ahead. ZOS made the right call in opening up Craglorn and Craglorn's huge resurgence in population is a great benefit to players enjoying the excellent story and locations in the zone.

crowfl56 wrote: »

Why is craglorn so over populated that you can't move, if its not being used as an exploit or whatever you want to call it?

Are you playing in a different Craglorn than I am? Are you sure your playing ESO? There are no exploits in Craglorn, so I am not sure what you are refering to. Do you have any evidence of an exploit?

Ever since Crafting Writs can be turned in anywhere, the population in that zone has dropped. Who cares how many people are in Skyreach, it is instanced to each group or soloist. How many people that are in there has 0 impact on if you can enter the dungeon, because none of those people are in your instance.

Or, do you just want all the Nirn nodes to yourself? I will give you a hint, no one, even in the days of an empty Craglorn before they moved Writ dropoff back there, ever had the harvest nodes to themselves.