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Fake role, it's not about "we're doing fine", it's about fairness
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TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭But why would anyone care about how long others have to wait? Why would any dps player want even longer queue times? If i would queue as dps, i would be glad for anyone who queues as tank or healer, so i don't have to wait for an eternity.
The game needs more players queueing as tank or healer (and maybe starting to like the role, even if they didn't originally intend to play it), not the other way arround.
Because not everyone who use group finder be able to carry the group. I try to get at least 10k dps on my alts if I queue as DD so I can pull my own weight in normal dungeon. Yet here I was put in a group with a stam warden "healer", and 2 other stam dps who don't have self-heal because they don't have vigor yet. It was lucky we got Wayrest I and I can "heal" the group with Vigor while doing 70% damage. But what if we got Darkshade II? Or Wayrest II? You know, those with a heal check phrase? Then people start quitting and I have to queue again, while I still have 5 more characters that need to do daily dungeon. 1 fake healer just waste the time of a whole group.Edited by TheDarkShadow on 2 December 2017 15:394 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭And if a pure healer and a pure tank, both with zero dmg get grouped up with terrible dps, their runs will take an eternity and what happens if they end up in direfrost keep, or CoA2 or certain DLC dungeons? You know, those with a dps check? Bad dps player can waste a whole groups time just as much as bad tanks and healers. But at least those healers and tanks are reducing the queue time for dps players, bad dps players are doing the opposite.0 -
TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭And if a pure healer and a pure tank, both with zero dmg get grouped up with terrible dps, their runs will take an eternity and what happens if they end up in direfrost keep, or CoA2 or certain DLC dungeons? You know, those with a dps check? Bad dps player can waste a whole groups time just as much as bad tanks and healers. But at least those healers and tanks are reducing the queue time for dps players, bad dps players are doing the opposite.
Wait 30m in a queue and get a group that can finish a dungeon with in 30m, or wait 30m in a queue, struggle in a dungeon for 30m with 1k repair bill, then have to queue 30m again because people quit at last boss? Which one is faster? At least a real tank/healer who feed up with bad dps can easily drop and find another group within 5m. What's why it's not fair for the DD that do not lie.2 -
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✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Eh, for normal dungeons it doesn't matter so much. I'd say it's not even necessary to have any tank or healer.
When you queue with friends and everybody is dps, at least one of you has to activate the other roles. If it's normal random queue I would make sure I can heal myself if necessary and would not expect any tank or healer.
That needs to change
If four people premake a group then the rolls shouldn't need to be set
The group knows what they're capable of and are either going to blitz it or maybe they're setting themselves a challenge
Like trying to complete a vet on 4 pure healers for a laugh
Yes at least I've noticed normal dungeons seem to be a lot faster with 4 dps instead of 2 dps + healer and tank.
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boombazookajd✭✭✭✭✭It seems from all this that players are either ignorant or unaware of proper dungeon etiquette, compounded by the fact that the game doesn't have a system to actually determine whether a player can properly operate as a tank, healer, or dd.
So, as players will always be ignorant and new players unaware, I think the onus in on ZOS to create a system that actually filters players. I know the whole "play as you like" idea is a thing for them, but lets be real, that only works with overland PvE.
Is there a way for ZOS to filter players based on skills or class?Drathus Delenu- Dunmer magDk: Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Stormproof, Peak Scaler, Clockwork Confounder, Orderly, Master Wizard, Cloudrest Hero, Undaunted, Dragonstar Arena Champion
Thoronir Rolston- Breton petsorc: Stormproof
Zaakazha-Redguard stamblade: Boethia's Scythe, Clockwork Confounder, Maelstrom Arena Champion, Dragonstar Arena Champion
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Justinius Maximus Decimus- Altmer magblade
Agronak gro'Mashul- Orc DK Tank
Valerya Hawkcroft- Breton healer
Zaaka- Imperial stamDK/crafter
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Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »
Wait 30m in a queue and get a group that can finish a dungeon with in 30m, or wait 30m in a queue, struggle in a dungeon for 30m with 1k repair bill, then have to queue 30m again because people quit at last boss? Which one is faster? At least a real tank/healer who feed up with bad dps can easily drop and find another group within 5m. What's why it's not fair for the DD that do not lie.
There is always the risk of ending up in a grp that won't make it if you can't carry yourself. Always! No matter what roles the players queued for.
I'd rather wait 30m, struggle in a dungeon for 30m and wait for another 30 min, than having to wait for 1h, messing arround in a dungeon for 1h and then having to wait for 1h again.
You are simply mixing up two issues that are not related and your demand would make one issue worse without improving the second.Edited by Rianai on 2 December 2017 16:120 -
TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »
Wait 30m in a queue and get a group that can finish a dungeon with in 30m, or wait 30m in a queue, struggle in a dungeon for 30m with 1k repair bill, then have to queue 30m again because people quit at last boss? Which one is faster? At least a real tank/healer who feed up with bad dps can easily drop and find another group within 5m. What's why it's not fair for the DD that do not lie.
There is always the risk of ending up in a grp that won't make it if you can't carry yourself. Always! No matter what roles the players queued for.
I'd rather wait 30m, struggle in a dungeon for 30m and wait for another 30 min, than having to wait for 1h, messing arround in a dungeon for 1h and then having to wait for 1h again.
You are simply mixing up two issues that are not related and your demand would make one issue worse without improving the second.
"I can carry so it's not my problem. As long as I can get in fast. People who cannot carry, you're stuck with those fakers." This is why people keep faking roles. Because it's too easy for them to get away with it.4 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can not solo carry vet dungeons with my "true" healer. And the main reason why my vet runs failed, were bad dps players. Not bad tanks. So please don't encourage even more players to play "fake dps", because they make the job as healer or tank quite tedious, resulting in less players willing to queue as healer or tank. And higher queue times ...0 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »Well, for example. I have a max cp magplar, which I run (rightfully) as a healer.
I also have a level 15 DK alt that can't do ANYTHING. BUT, I can't join the queue unless I pick a role. So what do I pick? My alt sucks at tanking, sucks at DPS, and sucks at healing, because he's level 15. So I just pick a role at random and call it day. I don't do that to spite anyone; I do that because no matter what role I choose, I know my impact in the dungeon is going to be completely negligible.
Or should I do parses in order to find out that I do 20 dps vs 21 hps, and therefore should always queue as a healer?
Pick dps. Again, it's not about your impact in the group, because its just a normal dungeon and probably someone can carry. It's about you queue as tank and healer and jump ahead of the line. It's not fair, I say that again, for a player who can carry the group, but have to wait 30m in the queue, while others who can't contribute a lots in group can just get their daily reward on 2 characters with in the same time.
Or stop being precious about silly stuff! Seriously! If you get your stupid boxes who cares?
Posts like these make me think F it! I'm NEVER AGAIN queuing 5-6 normals on my AWESOME healer JUST to help people (DPS) out who are waiting - with 0 benefit to myself.
There's NOTHING in those boxes I even care about aside from stuff that's super rare anyway - so why should I lift a finger to help people as ungrateful and self centred as some people are acting right now?
Get over it. Just run the 15 min dungeon and move on omg.
Most people don't even use tanks for normals full stop and several people solo or 2 man them with friends.
A DPS queuing as a tank for random normals just does NOT matter for THIS EVENT.
*Swear to GOD - hand on heart - I am about to queue as nth BUT tank from now on and Leroy the WHOLE PLACE! I can solo pretty much every normal anyway (with obvious exceptions and possibly even those with a little care and changing a few skills, never really tried) so why not!?*
Makes not one difference to me if everyone else in there is just dead for all the boss fights anyway. Run up to boss y'all die, I finish it, y'all get up, rinse, repeat. It makes ZERO difference and everyone gets their prizes. I mean I'm doing avg 70% group dps - and we finish on average in 15 min so why not just do thee whole thing?
It benefits EVERYONE waiting to Just Go. No one NEEDS a tank on normals ffs.
OBVIOUSLY I am not talking about vet pledges etc - clearly. If it's a dungeon that needs a tank - I will kick or leave in a second.3 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »JarlUlfric wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »JarlUlfric wrote: »It's a normal, it doesn't need a tank or a healer. Self heals + dps is perfectly capable of completing. Don't make a mountain of a mole hill.
Then queue DPS.
Dont be entitled.
It's not being entitled. There is nothing wrong with people queuing up for normals with roles that they aren't specced out as. Normals have 0 mechanics, nothing. There's is absolutely 0 reason someone should be having trouble in one.
It is absolutely about being entitled.
There is something wrong with it when you cut in friggin line.
Justifications of greed fall on deaf ears. Queue as DPS like the rest of the world or make a tank toon.
Of course, people like you usually just queue with a friend so you can dig in your heel and have someone shield you from geting votekicked when people have a problem with your bull.
O I see- you ONLY play a tank xD lol.
*It's all become clear!*
pfffffft.1 -
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✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »First, I want to make clear that I'm totally ok with people who know that they can solo dungeon and can carry no matter what group they get. They can queue as 3 roles as much as they want. Thank you for help pushing the queue faster and carry people.
Here I want to say about people who actually can't do ***. Yes we're doing fine, it's a simple normal dungeon. A DD carries the group doing 70% damage and 80% heal. But it's not fair for that DD who stay true to his role and have to wait 30m in the queue, then have to carry the whole group, while other just fake their role, get group with in 5m and tag along for the loot. It's like lying you are pregnant to get ahead of the line in the shop. Take a long and hard look at yourself on the mirror.
Granted im doing this on normal and with friends + 1 pug, ive healed a full dungeon on stam sorc with just vigor. Tanked on a healer with no shield. Its the groups fault to also pay attention1 -
phileunderx2✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ran 5 this morning and the only group that had a tank was the one I tanked. Fake tank for dps player isn't that big of a deal but if you are a healer everything comes after you and now you have to keep yourself from getting pounder by the boss and 50 million adds . Not much fun.Edited by phileunderx2 on 2 December 2017 16:350 -
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✭✭✭All you defenders of faking roles are missing the point. Yeah, normal can be stream rolled easily.
It’s an issue of fairness. Wait your turn.
Don’t be a knob.Edited by Tan9oSuccka on 2 December 2017 16:353 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »First, I want to make clear that I'm totally ok with people who know that they can solo dungeon and can carry no matter what group they get. They can queue as 3 roles as much as they want. Thank you for help pushing the queue faster and carry people.
Here I want to say about people who actually can't do ***. Yes we're doing fine, it's a simple normal dungeon. A DD carries the group doing 70% damage and 80% heal. But it's not fair for that DD who stay true to his role and have to wait 30m in the queue, then have to carry the whole group, while other just fake their role, get group with in 5m and tag along for the loot. It's like lying you are pregnant to get ahead of the line in the shop. Take a long and hard look at yourself on the mirror.
Granted im doing this on normal and with friends + 1 pug, ive healed a full dungeon on stam sorc with just vigor. Tanked on a healer with no shield. Its the groups fault to also pay attention
THIS. 100%.
See but he only plays a tank, so he's salty and in a snit about other people daring to queue as his precious.1 -
TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »Well, for example. I have a max cp magplar, which I run (rightfully) as a healer.
I also have a level 15 DK alt that can't do ANYTHING. BUT, I can't join the queue unless I pick a role. So what do I pick? My alt sucks at tanking, sucks at DPS, and sucks at healing, because he's level 15. So I just pick a role at random and call it day. I don't do that to spite anyone; I do that because no matter what role I choose, I know my impact in the dungeon is going to be completely negligible.
Or should I do parses in order to find out that I do 20 dps vs 21 hps, and therefore should always queue as a healer?
Pick dps. Again, it's not about your impact in the group, because its just a normal dungeon and probably someone can carry. It's about you queue as tank and healer and jump ahead of the line. It's not fair, I say that again, for a player who can carry the group, but have to wait 30m in the queue, while others who can't contribute a lots in group can just get their daily reward on 2 characters with in the same time.
Or stop being precious about silly stuff! Seriously! If you get your stupid boxes who cares?
Posts like these make me think F it! I'm NEVER AGAIN queuing 5-6 normals on my AWESOME healer JUST to help people (DPS) out who are waiting - with 0 benefit to myself.
There's NOTHING in those boxes I even care about aside from stuff that's super rare anyway - so why should I lift a finger to help people as ungrateful and self centred as some people are acting right now?
Get over it. Just run the 15 min dungeon and move on omg.
Most people don't even use tanks for normals full stop and several people solo or 2 man them with friends.
A DPS queuing as a tank for random normals just does NOT matter for THIS EVENT.
*Swear to GOD - hand on heart - I am about to queue as nth BUT tank from now on and Leroy the WHOLE PLACE! I can solo pretty much every normal anyway (with obvious exceptions and possibly even those with a little care and changing a few skills, never really tried) so why not!?*
Makes not one difference to me if everyone else in there is just dead for all the boss fights anyway. Run up to boss y'all die, I finish it, y'all get up, rinse, repeat. It makes ZERO difference and everyone gets their prizes. I mean I'm doing avg 70% group dps - and we finish on average in 15 min so why not just do thee whole thing?
It benefits EVERYONE waiting to Just Go. No one NEEDS a tank on normals ffs.
OBVIOUSLY I am not talking about vet pledges etc - clearly. If it's a dungeon that needs a tank - I will kick or leave in a second.
You think you are so noble for "stepping down" and helping people don't you? What about people who spend hundred thousands gold last week trying to get their alts decent enough to not become a burden in the group? Is it fair to them when now they can't finish daily just because some arsehole decide that they don't need to spend a dim, don't need to get in line. They can just jump in and get carry the whole way.
Read the title again. It's not about "we're doing fine", it's about fairness.4 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »TheDarkShadow wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »Well, for example. I have a max cp magplar, which I run (rightfully) as a healer.
I also have a level 15 DK alt that can't do ANYTHING. BUT, I can't join the queue unless I pick a role. So what do I pick? My alt sucks at tanking, sucks at DPS, and sucks at healing, because he's level 15. So I just pick a role at random and call it day. I don't do that to spite anyone; I do that because no matter what role I choose, I know my impact in the dungeon is going to be completely negligible.
Or should I do parses in order to find out that I do 20 dps vs 21 hps, and therefore should always queue as a healer?
Pick dps. Again, it's not about your impact in the group, because its just a normal dungeon and probably someone can carry. It's about you queue as tank and healer and jump ahead of the line. It's not fair, I say that again, for a player who can carry the group, but have to wait 30m in the queue, while others who can't contribute a lots in group can just get their daily reward on 2 characters with in the same time.
Or stop being precious about silly stuff! Seriously! If you get your stupid boxes who cares?
Posts like these make me think F it! I'm NEVER AGAIN queuing 5-6 normals on my AWESOME healer JUST to help people (DPS) out who are waiting - with 0 benefit to myself.
There's NOTHING in those boxes I even care about aside from stuff that's super rare anyway - so why should I lift a finger to help people as ungrateful and self centred as some people are acting right now?
Get over it. Just run the 15 min dungeon and move on omg.
Most people don't even use tanks for normals full stop and several people solo or 2 man them with friends.
A DPS queuing as a tank for random normals just does NOT matter for THIS EVENT.
*Swear to GOD - hand on heart - I am about to queue as nth BUT tank from now on and Leroy the WHOLE PLACE! I can solo pretty much every normal anyway (with obvious exceptions and possibly even those with a little care and changing a few skills, never really tried) so why not!?*
Makes not one difference to me if everyone else in there is just dead for all the boss fights anyway. Run up to boss y'all die, I finish it, y'all get up, rinse, repeat. It makes ZERO difference and everyone gets their prizes. I mean I'm doing avg 70% group dps - and we finish on average in 15 min so why not just do thee whole thing?
It benefits EVERYONE waiting to Just Go. No one NEEDS a tank on normals ffs.
OBVIOUSLY I am not talking about vet pledges etc - clearly. If it's a dungeon that needs a tank - I will kick or leave in a second.
You think you are so noble for "stepping down" and helping people don't you? What about people who spend hundred thousands gold last week trying to get their alts decent enough to not become a burden in the group? Is it fair to them when now they can't finish daily just because some arsehole decide that they don't need to spend a dim, don't need to get in line. They can just jump in and get carry the whole way.
Read the title again. It's not about "we're doing fine", it's about fairness.
Oh stop. You lost me at blah.
I am 70% the time the carrier. Even on my crappy lvl 35 DPS NORD DK DUAL WIELD WITH NO FOOD with Shock staff back bar I was doing legit 40% GROUP dps. (Combat metrics)
You're a tank who is mad because anyone else dares to Queue as a tank to get on with their lives.
I'm literally done at this moment with you.
If you were talking solely VET content yeah, all the way. I'd have your back so hard, you'd wonder where your back even went because I'd have it.
But for this event? You're just being petty af.Edited by Mureel on 2 December 2017 17:063 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »First, I want to make clear that I'm totally ok with people who know that they can solo dungeon and can carry no matter what group they get. They can queue as 3 roles as much as they want. Thank you for help pushing the queue faster and carry people.
Here I want to say about people who actually can't do ***. Yes we're doing fine, it's a simple normal dungeon. A DD carries the group doing 70% damage and 80% heal. But it's not fair for that DD who stay true to his role and have to wait 30m in the queue, then have to carry the whole group, while other just fake their role, get group with in 5m and tag along for the loot. It's like lying you are pregnant to get ahead of the line in the shop. Take a long and hard look at yourself on the mirror.
So when I fake tanked a dungeon yesterday, kept bosses taunted the entire time that is unfair.
Your analogies and everything really do not hold water, granted, there are some fake tanks that cannot do the role, that is what you are complaining about.
When I fake tanked 2 DDs got their queue and the rest moved forward. Is that a problem?
It is certainly not lying like I am pregnant since i could handle the role just fine. No one died and everyone got a nice clear.
After writing this I am questioning if the OP is serious or basically pointing out the fallacy of arguments about fake tanks.1 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭You still haven't provided a reason, why it is unfair. Just "mimimi, others can get into a dungeon faster, so lets make everyone including myself have to wait for even longer". And you were just complaining about bad player wasting other players time = "we are not doing fine".1 -
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✭I gave up reading after the first 4 posts. My what elitists you people are. I mean you had to start somewhere. This is why I don't do multiplayer in ESO because of people like you. So I am a newbie, who doesn't know how to play. So what am I suppose to do? How am I ever going to get better if I don't try each role to see what I like?
I am sure I am not alone here, and I hope you are proud why part of ESO is toxic and I hope they get rid of the MMO part of the game.
We can't even try. If we do, we get berated. We get put down. We get shamed. Yeah way to go to try and get more people into the game. This is why I will never do group events, because of people like this.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"2 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »First, I want to make clear that I'm totally ok with people who know that they can solo dungeon and can carry no matter what group they get. They can queue as 3 roles as much as they want. Thank you for help pushing the queue faster and carry people.
Here I want to say about people who actually can't do ***. Yes we're doing fine, it's a simple normal dungeon. A DD carries the group doing 70% damage and 80% heal. But it's not fair for that DD who stay true to his role and have to wait 30m in the queue, then have to carry the whole group, while other just fake their role, get group with in 5m and tag along for the loot. It's like lying you are pregnant to get ahead of the line in the shop. Take a long and hard look at yourself on the mirror.
So when I fake tanked a dungeon yesterday, kept bosses taunted the entire time that is unfair.
Your analogies and everything really do not hold water, granted, there are some fake tanks that cannot do the role, that is what you are complaining about.
When I fake tanked 2 DDs got their queue and the rest moved forward. Is that a problem?
It is certainly not lying like I am pregnant since i could handle the role just fine. No one died and everyone got a nice clear.
After writing this I am questioning if the OP is serious or basically pointing out the fallacy of arguments about fake tanks.
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BlanketFort✭✭✭✭But why would anyone care about how long others have to wait? Why would any dps player want even longer queue times? If i would queue as dps, i would be glad for anyone who queues as tank or healer, so i don't have to wait for an eternity.
The game needs more players queueing as tank or healer (and maybe starting to like the role, even if they didn't originally intend to play it), not the other way arround.
How would they even beging to enjoy the role of tank and healer if they are a DD with no intention of fulfilling the tank/healer role they qeueud up for?1 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You still haven't provided a reason, why it is unfair. Just "mimimi, others can get into a dungeon faster, so lets make everyone including myself have to wait for even longer". And you were just complaining about bad player wasting other players time = "we are not doing fine".
THIS yes!
Tanks who just stand around and moan about others queuing as tanks instead of queuing up more often than they personally need, are basically wasting DPS' time!
Not like tanks ever have to wait long in a queue anyway - so what is the issue?
In truth: We can get through normals without them - but can they get through them without us? How's that shoe fit when it's on the other foot?
Maybe be GLAD some DPS are queuing as tanks. I know I am!
(and I appreciate the LOLs when everyone is all wait is anyone tanking? No? K sec, *equips taunt* OK GTG!)1 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭They might end up recognizing how certain aspects of a healer or tank can make their dungeon runs more succesfull and faster and threrefore start improving at playing the role they have queued for. Granted it is more likely they will just stick to playing as dps, so all those "fake dps" aren't wasting too much of their time ...1 -
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✭I do not like that players can pick multiple roles.
While I do realize that some players can multiple roles very well, most of these players do not PUG, but run with their guilds.
IMHO most PUG players cannot do multiple roles well enough, and the allowing of queuing for multiple roles is a mistake.
My max CP Warden can DPS and Heal, and have picked up both roles when the healer was not quite up to it.
But I never que as both, since a build that is dedicated to the role should be better than a mutt.Si vis pacem, para bellum1 -
TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭You're a tank who is mad because anyone else dares to Queue as a tank to get on with their lives.
FYI i only have 1 main that can tank/heal/dps vet-dungeon and I never do vet with any character but this one, because I don't want to be a burden. The other 5 characters I'm doing this event with are crafter and RP characters that was just geared up and have to shared gear are 2 DD, 2 tanks and 1 healer. So your "assume" just failed.I gave up reading after the first 4 posts. My what elitists you people are. I mean you had to start somewhere. This is why I don't do multiplayer in ESO because of people like you. So I am a newbie, who doesn't know how to play. So what am I suppose to do? How am I ever going to get better if I don't try each role to see what I like?
I am sure I am not alone here, and I hope you are proud why part of ESO is toxic and I hope they get rid of the MMO part of the game.
We can't even try. If we do, we get berated. We get put down. We get shamed. Yeah way to go to try and get more people into the game. This is why I will never do group events, because of people like this.
Before I start to do dungeon, I google how much dps I should get, how much health, what basic I should know. So yeah, I expect people do the same.0 -
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✭✭✭I do not like that players can pick multiple roles.
While I do realize that some players can multiple roles very well, most of these players do not PUG, but run with their guilds.
IMHO most PUG players cannot do multiple roles well enough, and the allowing of queuing for multiple roles is a mistake.
My max CP Warden can DPS and Heal, and have picked up both roles when the healer was not quite up to it.
But I never que as both, since a build that is dedicated to the role should be better than a mutt.
Nerf Warden xD (kidding lol carry on! Except nerf warden)1 -
BlanketFort✭✭✭✭I gave up reading after the first 4 posts. My what elitists you people are. I mean you had to start somewhere. This is why I don't do multiplayer in ESO because of people like you. So I am a newbie, who doesn't know how to play. So what am I suppose to do? How am I ever going to get better if I don't try each role to see what I like?
I am sure I am not alone here, and I hope you are proud why part of ESO is toxic and I hope they get rid of the MMO part of the game.
We can't even try. If we do, we get berated. We get put down. We get shamed. Yeah way to go to try and get more people into the game. This is why I will never do group events, because of people like this.
That isn't even the point of the OP. If you want to try a tank/healer role, and actually put some effort into your build so you can tank/heal, and just happen to be new at it that you are maybe missing heals or losing aggro every now and then, that's fine. Because you are actually trying to fulfill the role you signed up for. People might complain that you are somewhat not-that-good at your role, but that's something that can improve with time.
I know people are focusing more or normal dungeons, but really... this behaviour is leaking into vet dungeons. If you get a fake tank in vRoM through randoms, for example, I don't think you'd be eager to defend the player who queued as a tank, but is in fact a stamblade DD with no intention to tank, who bypassed the queue in the hopes he will be carried by a strong healer and strong DDs... just so he can get his purple amber jewelry.0 -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭*Swear to GOD - hand on heart - I am about to queue as nth BUT tank from now on and Leroy the WHOLE PLACE! I can solo pretty much every normal anyway (with obvious exceptions and possibly even those with a little care and changing a few skills, never really tried) so why not!?*
Makes not one difference to me if everyone else in there is just dead for all the boss fights anyway. Run up to boss y'all die, I finish it, y'all get up, rinse, repeat. It makes ZERO difference and everyone gets their prizes. I mean I'm doing avg 70% group dps - and we finish on average in 15 min so why not just do thee whole thing?
It benefits EVERYONE waiting to Just Go. No one NEEDS a tank on normals ffs.
I had someone do that in my random normal for the day. To be fair i was an actual tank queued as tank.. but my dps just leroyed the whole thing.
It was banished cells 1 we had a level 14 healer... got left waaaay behind and rage quit.... I assume because he couldn't do the quest becase this dps just ran off ahead. My other dps (I had queued with a guildie) also had to do the quest (but had done it on other characters so just quickly E'd through it). It wasn't until just before the final boss and the healer had rage quit they anyone spoke up.
"Hey I have to do the quest"
"Also can you let me, the tank, lead please"
I bet that level 14 healer never does a dungeon again, never ever considers doing any group content if we are lucky and he continues to play.. because a dps wanted it over fast so he could switch to another character. What would you think if your first even dungeon was you trying to enjoy this story but what happens is someone runs off and solos the whole dungeon and you don't get any loot.3 -
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✭✭✭Meh, there's an event going on and [snip] about it on here isn't going to stop people from participating. Group with guildies or friends. No one owes you anything. the game isn't designed with you in mind and that scrub has has much right queuing for any dungeon as the next person.
No idea why people get salty about this. After all, we know "events" attract a lot of people. Outwith the events, well, you have 2 choices really.Edited by ZOS_KatP on 28 February 2018 15:372 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »*Swear to GOD - hand on heart - I am about to queue as nth BUT tank from now on and Leroy the WHOLE PLACE! I can solo pretty much every normal anyway (with obvious exceptions and possibly even those with a little care and changing a few skills, never really tried) so why not!?*
Makes not one difference to me if everyone else in there is just dead for all the boss fights anyway. Run up to boss y'all die, I finish it, y'all get up, rinse, repeat. It makes ZERO difference and everyone gets their prizes. I mean I'm doing avg 70% group dps - and we finish on average in 15 min so why not just do thee whole thing?
It benefits EVERYONE waiting to Just Go. No one NEEDS a tank on normals ffs.
I had someone do that in my random normal for the day. To be fair i was an actual tank queued as tank.. but my dps just leroyed the whole thing.
It was banished cells 1 we had a level 14 healer... got left waaaay behind and rage quit.... I assume because he couldn't do the quest becase this dps just ran off ahead. My other dps (I had queued with a guildie) also had to do the quest (but had done it on other characters so just quickly E'd through it). It wasn't until just before the final boss and the healer had rage quit they anyone spoke up.
"Hey I have to do the quest"
"Also can you let me, the tank, lead please"
I bet that level 14 healer never does a dungeon again, never ever considers doing any group content if we are lucky and he continues to play.. because a dps wanted it over fast so he could switch to another character. What would you think if your first even dungeon was you trying to enjoy this story but what happens is someone runs off and solos the whole dungeon and you don't get any loot.
Yeah I wouldn’t ever normally - I’m always she who’s all ‘one has q, pls wait’ but this ‘tank’ and his BS throughout this thread annoyed me so much I’ve got a bit of agro over here. (Ha pun!)
You’re right in theory totally! I’ve actually run many a dungeon just so someone/someones could do the quest etc.0