Better magicka sustain as a Templar?

Datolite · August 2017

Before anyone says vampire or channeled focus, I run both. Also please feel free to pick apart my build, I am always looking for advice!

So I recently started wearing 5 heavy and 1/1, as well as switching my infused chest to health for a bit more survivability. I'm running the atronach mundus and all my jewelry is arcane/regen. I drop down focus as regularly as I can in a fight but still have a really hard time with sustain. I use spell power pots every chance I get (hella expensive but it gives me the major spell power, crit and regen I need) and try not to spam too much. Still, my sustain is abysmal.

My build:
2 skoria light/medium (impenetrable)
5 heavy soulshine (4x impenetrable, 1x health infused)
5 war maiden (3 jewelry arcane/magicka, 2 sharpened swords with magicka steal poison)
off hand either use rattle sword n shield (defensive/reinforced) or a war maiden powered resto staff.

Skills are sweeps, charge, jesus beam, dark flare, purifying light and soul assault with some situational thrown in for good measure.

What should I change about this setup? What should I change about my playstyle? I find myself losing to OOM more often than anything. Any advice?

R_K · August 2017

Suggestion:

Replace Soul Shine with Rattlecage - it frees your bar from entropy if you have it there. It also buffs your heals - not just your damage.

For my sustain set, I went with Alteration Mastery. It literally reduces just about all costs - even sprinting and blocking.

- Jesus

Datolite · August 2017

R_K wrote: »

Replace Soul Shine with Rattlecage

I had that idea but then I would be getting major sorcery twice when I pop a pot. In that case, what kinda potion should I switch to?

R_K wrote: »

it frees your bar from entropy if you have it there.

Sorry I'm not sure what this means.

Minno · August 2017

You could use imovable pots that have mag Regen stats.

Or roll vitality pots to get extra healing plus an extra HOT.

And what R_K means, is that entropy is a skill that as t provides a cheap major sorcery buff. Using rattlecage removes the need for that skill allowing you to run another ability.

Datolite · August 2017

Minno wrote: »

You could use imovable pots that have mag Regen stats.

Or roll vitality pots to get extra healing plus an extra HOT.

And what R_K means, is that entropy is a skill that as t provides a cheap major sorcery buff. Using rattlecage removes the need for that skill allowing you to run another ability.

Thanks. That immovable idea sounds good.

Would have to use magelight then for the crit. I need both major crit and power somehow.

Kartalin · August 2017

If you slot Reflective Light you get your major crit bonus by using it. It will also proc Skoria.

Datolite · August 2017

How does the dps/utility compare against sweeps?

Also I forgot to ask: I am currently using health/mag regen food for the sustain. Should I stick to tri stat?

Kartalin · August 2017

If you're not using a staff then you'll need to carefully manage your magicka and extra recovery will help. Also make sure you have enough stamina to break free of hard ccs when necessary.

If it were me I'd replace dark flare with reflective light but if you feel you need the defile to take down tanky targets then you can leave it. I do love my immovable pots though.

Minno · August 2017

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

How does the dps/utility compare against sweeps?

Also I forgot to ask: I am currently using health/mag regen food for the sustain. Should I stick to tri stat?

If you rolled shackle breaker heavy armor, you could go infused traits on chest and legs, run tristat glyths, and run witch brew drink for max health, max mag and mag recovery. You should be at around 12-13k Stam which is doable for PvP but still have 1500 mag recovery. But I'm not sure if that's the best setup for you, but in my opinion, templars that are Breton, don't need extra cost reduction from sets, they need mag recovery and DMG.

Datolite · August 2017

I don't think shackle breaker would give me enough damage and the weapon damage is wasted on my build.

I will definitely look into witch brew however, thanks.

Minno · August 2017

You could roll LA, but you need to offset the fact that it has nothing in defense for physical DMG sources. If you keep the vanilla resistance values, every build running 11000 penetration will be doing full tooltip before CP mitigation kicks in, which is terrible for any build.

The beauty of HA is that you get extra healing received, enough resistance to get 13% physical DMG mitigation after 10k+5280 debuff, and extra resource return not tied to the Regen stats. So if you tack on 10% hardy, you'll be doing a little extra to save yourself from harm.

But LA let's you forget the need to build for Soell resistance/Regen/cost reduction/penetration, and instead let's you concentrate on other stats you may need. I personally like LA better than HA, granted if you can find 3500 crit resistance, 24k physical resistance, and at least 2700 SD/1500 mag recovery. Otherwise HA is more "noob friendly".

Datolite · August 2017

LOL you lost me. That's a lot of math. And 3500 crit res? Is that before CP??? Maybe with impregnable but the most impen can give you is like 2k.

Minno · August 2017

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

LOL you lost me. That's a lot of math. And 3500 crit res? Is that before CP??? Maybe with impregnable but the most impen can give you is like 2k.

Sorry I jump allot lol. For spell penetration, if someone has 78 in spell erosion, and is running light armor, they can get 10,000 spell penetration. If they use destro staff, they can debuff you with elemental drain for another 5280 penetration (hence why I said 15280). I use this as a benchmark in PvP since it's easy to get debuffed and even if physical DMG can't reach 15280 easily, it never hurts to assume someone will be running allot in CP penetration to offset sharpened traits being nerfed.

For crit resistance, I can get 4k crit resistance running CP,5 impen pieces, and transmutation buffs (templars can proc transmutation easily to the point of having consistent free extra crit resistance.). But since you are in impregnable set, you only need 1k crit resistance from CP to hit 3500 crit resistance, which I think is perfect enough (impreg is 2500 if upgraded to gold?).

Neoauspex · August 2017

You can also try running seducer (or any 2-piece mag regen) sword and board on your back bar and slotting Radiant Aura on that bar. Also, Honor the Dead is better than BoL if you're having sustain issues.

UppGRAYxDD · August 2017

Race roll to Argonian....or farm up amberplasm. As for your current setup, which I have run, try slotting a resto on your back bar for better heals when under 30%health and the ability to rip magicka back with hvy attacks(which also will give you major mending

You could always insert Kags for Soulshine and gain some health, mag recov, and dmg...You wont hit as hard but will have better sustain...

WillhelmBlack · August 2017

Are you asking why you have no sustain in 3 damage sets???

WuffyCerulei · August 2017

I generally use a resto staff too when I pvp on a magplar, and its heavy attacks passive+heavy armor passive+tenacity=a good chunk of magicka returned in only a couple heavy attacks.

Datolite · August 2017

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Race roll to Argonian....or farm up amberplasm. As for your current setup, which I have run, try slotting a resto on your back bar for better heals when under 30%health and the ability to rip magicka back with hvy attacks(which also will give you major mending You could always insert Kags for Soulshine and gain some health, mag recov, and dmg...You wont hit as hard but will have better sustain...

I might stick to resto on back bar like you said. I thought SnB would help me survive, but there's no surviving if you're out of magicka...

I wish the tool tips were a bit more descriptive. I always thought the transmutation proc buff only applied to allies. Same thing with "restoration expert" passive, I never knew that applies to yourself as well.

Minno · August 2017

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Race roll to Argonian....or farm up amberplasm. As for your current setup, which I have run, try slotting a resto on your back bar for better heals when under 30%health and the ability to rip magicka back with hvy attacks(which also will give you major mending You could always insert Kags for Soulshine and gain some health, mag recov, and dmg...You wont hit as hard but will have better sustain...

I might stick to resto on back bar like you said. I thought SnB would help me survive, but there's no surviving if you're out of magicka...

I wish the tool tips were a bit more descriptive. I always thought the transmutation proc buff only applied to allies. Same thing with "restoration expert" passive, I never knew that applies to yourself as well.

Transmutation will proc if you use the following:
- any heal over time (puryfing ritual, HOT potion/poison, etc.)
- and you need to have lost some health. You must be 99% or lower percentage otherwise the set will not proc on you.

Datolite · August 2017

That explains a lot...

Thanks for clearing that up haha.

UppGRAYxDD · August 2017

Minno wrote: »

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Race roll to Argonian....or farm up amberplasm. As for your current setup, which I have run, try slotting a resto on your back bar for better heals when under 30%health and the ability to rip magicka back with hvy attacks(which also will give you major mending You could always insert Kags for Soulshine and gain some health, mag recov, and dmg...You wont hit as hard but will have better sustain...

I might stick to resto on back bar like you said. I thought SnB would help me survive, but there's no surviving if you're out of magicka...

I wish the tool tips were a bit more descriptive. I always thought the transmutation proc buff only applied to allies. Same thing with "restoration expert" passive, I never knew that applies to yourself as well.

Transmutation will proc if you use the following:
- any heal over time (puryfing ritual, HOT potion/poison, etc.)
- and you need to have lost some health. You must be 99% or lower percentage otherwise the set will not proc on you.

Or slot structured entropy on your back bar. This will allow preemptive proccing of transmute by simply switching bars...

Minno · August 2017

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Race roll to Argonian....or farm up amberplasm. As for your current setup, which I have run, try slotting a resto on your back bar for better heals when under 30%health and the ability to rip magicka back with hvy attacks(which also will give you major mending You could always insert Kags for Soulshine and gain some health, mag recov, and dmg...You wont hit as hard but will have better sustain...

I might stick to resto on back bar like you said. I thought SnB would help me survive, but there's no surviving if you're out of magicka...

I wish the tool tips were a bit more descriptive. I always thought the transmutation proc buff only applied to allies. Same thing with "restoration expert" passive, I never knew that applies to yourself as well.

Transmutation will proc if you use the following:
- any heal over time (puryfing ritual, HOT potion/poison, etc.)
- and you need to have lost some health. You must be 99% or lower percentage otherwise the set will not proc on you.

Or slot structured entropy on your back bar. This will allow preemptive proccing of transmute by simply switching bars...

Yup, entropy will proc it too! I only gave a quick example (mostly because you can spread the trans buff love around to allies with templar's purge).

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · August 2017

Infused is bad in Pvp imo much better off sturdy, impen, well fitted.
Infused gain is really minor.

Minno · August 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Infused is bad in Pvp imo much better off sturdy, impen, well fitted.
Infused gain is really minor.

Not on chest+legs on shackle breaker heavy with witch brew.

Well fitted, despite lowering Stam cost of dodge roll, is wasted on repeated use of dodge roll.

Impen is great. But after 5 pieces, you can use two other traits while using CP to make up the rest if you want.

Sturdy is great too, but you'll get more reduction running 23 points into CP for block cost reduction than running 2 pieces of sturdy. In fact, you can still get 20% block cost reduction while having 10% reduction on for break free. But if you are pulling block allot or you are a DK, then sturdy makes more sense than the other traits.

Datolite · August 2017

Yeah I figured one piece infused for that major health boost would be worth it. Got plenty of CP to make up for it.

DeHei · August 2017

Maybe you forgot the better atronarch mundus stone. This give all templar in PvP 100-150 more magickareg then before.

Drdeath20 · August 2017

Switch to rattlecage and then run overwhlming and skoria. Rattlecage boosts all ur attacks/heals and frees up an ability bar space. Overwhelming synergieses well with the other 2 sets and can proc your skoria.

Use a food/drink that gives health and magicka recovery.

Slot repentance for recovery boosts.

Wear 5 light 1 heavy 1 med but in reinforced. The 5 light bonus will increase recovery significantly and reinforced still makes you somewhat tough.

I run:
Dual weild bar
Sweeps, repentance, ritual of ret, radiant magelight, accelerated drain and reviving barrier

Destro staff bar (4xs overwhelming)
Radiant oppression, force pulse, honor the dead, channeled focus, destructive reach and eye of the storm.

If done correctly your spell damage should be around 3600, mag recovery ~1700.

Datolite · August 2017

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Switch to rattlecage and then run overwhlming and skoria. Rattlecage boosts all ur attacks/heals and frees up an ability bar space. Overwhelming synergieses well with the other 2 sets and can proc your skoria.

Use a food/drink that gives health and magicka recovery.

Slot repentance for recovery boosts.

Wear 5 light 1 heavy 1 med but in reinforced. The 5 light bonus will increase recovery significantly and reinforced still makes you somewhat tough.

I run:
Dual weild bar
Sweeps, repentance, ritual of ret, radiant magelight, accelerated drain and reviving barrier

Destro staff bar (4xs overwhelming)
Radiant oppression, force pulse, honor the dead, channeled focus, destructive reach and eye of the storm.

If done correctly your spell damage should be around 3600, mag recovery ~1700.

What's the best use for Accelerated Drain? Is it a channel CC? Cause I can't see myself wanting to be locked in an animation when I can be bursting someone I just knocked over. Honest question, maybe I'm just missing something here.

I'm very curious about Overwhelming Surge though. Might try this build one day. I already have Rattlecage golded out, just never have enough time to farm more sets.

Joy_Division · August 2017

You aren't running any sustain sets, you are running heavy armor, without a staff you can't heavy attack. To use that setup without running out magicka, you need a fair amount experience in self-sufficient PvP with efficient resource management.

With Light armor, I found the sweet spot for regen to be around 1700. Some people get by with less, but to do so usually requires a "gank" build to end fights quickly (you are a templar, good luck with that) or heavy attacking with a staff in a prolonged fight.

I do not like either Soulshine or War Maiden because you are a templar that relies on healing and neither increases heals.

A good "off bar" (i.e. your jewelry and sword and shield) is Transmutation because that gives good defense and helps your resource sustain since it has two recovery bonuses.

Hatoreehanzo · August 2017

Argonian
Atronach
5 soulshine (dw and jewelry with 1reduc/2 recov)
5 wizards riposte
2 skoria
1 maelstrom destro

DW
Topple, Jabs, Entropy, Honor Dead, J-Beam, DBoS

Resto
Channeled, Ritual, Light, Vamp Bane, Rapid Regen, Light's Champion

Drdeath20 · August 2017

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Switch to rattlecage and then run overwhlming and skoria. Rattlecage boosts all ur attacks/heals and frees up an ability bar space. Overwhelming synergieses well with the other 2 sets and can proc your skoria.

Use a food/drink that gives health and magicka recovery.

Slot repentance for recovery boosts.

Wear 5 light 1 heavy 1 med but in reinforced. The 5 light bonus will increase recovery significantly and reinforced still makes you somewhat tough.

I run:
Dual weild bar
Sweeps, repentance, ritual of ret, radiant magelight, accelerated drain and reviving barrier

Destro staff bar (4xs overwhelming)
Radiant oppression, force pulse, honor the dead, channeled focus, destructive reach and eye of the storm.

If done correctly your spell damage should be around 3600, mag recovery ~1700.

What's the best use for Accelerated Drain? Is it a channel CC? Cause I can't see myself wanting to be locked in an animation when I can be bursting someone I just knocked over. Honest question, maybe I'm just missing something here.

I'm very curious about Overwhelming Surge though. Might try this build one day. I already have Rattlecage golded out, just never have enough time to farm more sets.

You stun, then bar swap (breaks animation) then go right back on attack. Drain is a hard stun. I prefer Accelerated drain bcz it allows me to fire off 1 extra skill on a burst which i wouldnt normally get off.

The best use for drain is purely a pvp hard stun. I usually use it mid way through a fight (the opponents resources are low aswell) . i get a hard stun, some health comming back and a few seconds to take control of the fight. It can proc my skoria and using a class ability procs my overwhelming.

With this build my only glaring weakness is mobility but i generally want guys to get close to me (im always loaded with a eye of the storm ultimate)

They get close i stun with drain, build my house and go to work. Guys want range i stun with destructive reach, build my house and go to work.