Enough is enough console player please read!

dmar613 · June 2017

In the beginning of this game's release i had asked zos to changed their patch process for updates to be streamlined for consoles. they stated it cost extra money which they did not want to fork up. This was for regular patches and hotfixes, now we have a Main feature BG's que broken and zos does not want to spend the money needed to fix the problem. its sad, they could give two *** about console players we are peasents to them. we are low priortity or at least the pvp aspects of this game, and it shows... the famous quote," you know you don't have to be here right?" they play us for fools, and we are fools for speding our time and money on this game and they cant even please their pvp audience.... why? because this game didnt pull the money they wanted w the pvp route and went to crown sales pve items and whale sales thats where their audience is and thats who they are catering to with their priorities... now being console and pvp.... GG they dont give a *** man they don't, i'll say it time and time again their actions do not prove it!!!!!! no effort, no passion, no love, no community, no leadership it starts from the top and trickles down.... they game has tremendous pvp potential, i'll repeat Tremendous ! they just flush it down the gutter because it didnt go the way they wanted it to.... no the team has downsized, to what seems like one programmer who does coding to remove bugs and all others work on crown sale items and the likes, their superiors dont give them the budget to make these things happen.

JKorr · June 2017

dmar613 wrote: »

In the beginning of this game's release i had asked zos to changed their patch process for updates to be streamlined for consoles. they stated it cost extra money which they did not want to fork up. This was for regular patches and hotfixes, now we have a Main feature BG's que broken and zos does not want to spend the money needed to fix the problem. its sad, they could give two *** about console players we are peasents to them. we are low priortity or at least the pvp aspects of this game, and it shows... the famous quote," you know you don't have to be here right?" they play us for fools, and we are fools for speding our time and money on this game and they cant even please their pvp audience.... why? because this game didnt pull the money they wanted w the pvp route and went to crown sales pve items and whale sales thats where their audience is and thats who they are catering to with their priorities... now being console and pvp.... GG they dont give a *** man they don't, i'll say it time and time again their actions do not prove it!!!!!! no effort, no passion, no love, no community, no leadership it starts from the top and trickles down.... they game has tremendous pvp potential, i'll repeat Tremendous ! they just flush it down the gutter because it didnt go the way they wanted it to.... no the team has downsized, to what seems like one programmer who does coding to remove bugs and all others work on crown sale items and the likes, their superiors dont give them the budget to make these things happen.

The famous taken out of context quote "you know you don't have to be here, right"? That quote? That quote was in a thread where a dev was discussing playing their character in the game. Not talking about fixes, glitches, or what a pos game it was. The person who crashed the thread and kept bringing up all the things they personally didn't like/had issues with/thought was broken when the dev said they couldn't discuss anything like that is what prompted that quote. All the other posters were discussing the fun stuff they found playing the game, with a dev who was in the discussion as a player who was having fun playing the game. The dev finally got fed up with the threadcrapper and said, after all the complaints about what a piece of crap the game was, "You know you don't have to be here, right?" Really; if someone is that unhappy, there is no point to them staying to play a game they don't like that makes them miserable.

QUEZ420 · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Lol facts.

dmar613 · June 2017

JKorr wrote: »

dmar613 wrote: »

In the beginning of this game's release i had asked zos to changed their patch process for updates to be streamlined for consoles. they stated it cost extra money which they did not want to fork up. This was for regular patches and hotfixes, now we have a Main feature BG's que broken and zos does not want to spend the money needed to fix the problem. its sad, they could give two *** about console players we are peasents to them. we are low priortity or at least the pvp aspects of this game, and it shows... the famous quote," you know you don't have to be here right?" they play us for fools, and we are fools for speding our time and money on this game and they cant even please their pvp audience.... why? because this game didnt pull the money they wanted w the pvp route and went to crown sales pve items and whale sales thats where their audience is and thats who they are catering to with their priorities... now being console and pvp.... GG they dont give a *** man they don't, i'll say it time and time again their actions do not prove it!!!!!! no effort, no passion, no love, no community, no leadership it starts from the top and trickles down.... they game has tremendous pvp potential, i'll repeat Tremendous ! they just flush it down the gutter because it didnt go the way they wanted it to.... no the team has downsized, to what seems like one programmer who does coding to remove bugs and all others work on crown sale items and the likes, their superiors dont give them the budget to make these things happen.

The famous taken out of context quote "you know you don't have to be here, right"? That quote? That quote was in a thread where a dev was discussing playing their character in the game. Not talking about fixes, glitches, or what a pos game it was. The person who crashed the thread and kept bringing up all the things they personally didn't like/had issues with/thought was broken when the dev said they couldn't discuss anything like that is what prompted that quote. All the other posters were discussing the fun stuff they found playing the game, with a dev who was in the discussion as a player who was having fun playing the game. The dev finally got fed up with the threadcrapper and said, after all the complaints about what a piece of crap the game was, "You know you don't have to be here, right?" Really; if someone is that unhappy, there is no point to them staying to play a game they don't like that makes them miserable.

buddy stated when are you going to fix your broken game, and rich replied w the quote. lol js, it is all good with that attitude from the Lead game designer. whether it is out of context or not the mindstate shows.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

QUEZ420 wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Lol facts.

You both could not be more wrong lol console gets evert last bug you get I am tired of this in no way to do you beta test for us get over yourselfs we get every bug you do just 2 weeks after then we get to deal eith bugs for 2 weeks longer then you

NewBlacksmurf · June 2017

- Xbox certification doesn't always take 5-7 days or any number of weeks. Perhaps ZeniMax submissions specifically may take longer than another developers patch but to clarify.

A fix patch doesn't take 5-7 days.
A major dlc update may take x-y or z timeframe but I know for a fact, a few developers hav submitted and released updates in 24-48 hours on a frequent basis and those are online and server capable games as well as single player or peer to peer games.

I think what you need to understand is the differ nice between submitting the first time with a pass vs submit, response requiring changes and the developers addressing those and getting the submissions updated.

Just hoping to clear up misinformation

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

- Xbox certification doesn't always take 5-7 days or any number of weeks. Perhaps ZeniMax submissions specifically may take longer than another developers patch but to clarify.

A fix patch doesn't take 5-7 days.
A major dlc update may take x-y or z timeframe but I know for a fact, a few developers hav submitted and released updates in 24-48 hours on a frequent basis and those are online and server capable games as well as single player or peer to peer games.

I think what you need to understand is the differ nice between submitting the first time with a pass vs submit, response requiring changes and the developers addressing those and getting the submissions updated.

Just hoping to clear up misinformation

I'm not sure you did. I think there may be a language barrier? But I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. Could you clarify?

Sevalaricgirl · June 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

- Xbox certification doesn't always take 5-7 days or any number of weeks. Perhaps ZeniMax submissions specifically may take longer than another developers patch but to clarify.

A fix patch doesn't take 5-7 days.
A major dlc update may take x-y or z timeframe but I know for a fact, a few developers hav submitted and released updates in 24-48 hours on a frequent basis and those are online and server capable games as well as single player or peer to peer games.

I think what you need to understand is the differ nice between submitting the first time with a pass vs submit, response requiring changes and the developers addressing those and getting the submissions updated.

Just hoping to clear up misinformation

I'm not sure you did. I think there may be a language barrier? But I didn't understand what point you were trying to make. Could you clarify?

I'm a PC player but I agree with the console players. There is no excuse for the time delay when other MMOs get their patches out on the same day as the PC patches.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

- Xbox certification doesn't always take 5-7 days or any number of weeks. Perhaps ZeniMax submissions specifically may take longer than another developers patch but to clarify.

A fix patch doesn't take 5-7 days.
A major dlc update may take x-y or z timeframe but I know for a fact, a few developers hav submitted and released updates in 24-48 hours on a frequent basis and those are online and server capable games as well as single player or peer to peer games.

I think what you need to understand is the differ nice between submitting the first time with a pass vs submit, response requiring changes and the developers addressing those and getting the submissions updated.

Just hoping to clear up misinformation

We all understand the time it takes to cert this is about the fact that they choose to delay console patches to lump them together to save money on cert we ate asking zos to change this when major game breaking bugs effect content that they step up pay the money and cert a hot fix not make us deal with the bug for weeks

NewBlacksmurf · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

- Xbox certification doesn't always take 5-7 days or any number of weeks. Perhaps ZeniMax submissions specifically may take longer than another developers patch but to clarify.

A fix patch doesn't take 5-7 days.
A major dlc update may take x-y or z timeframe but I know for a fact, a few developers hav submitted and released updates in 24-48 hours on a frequent basis and those are online and server capable games as well as single player or peer to peer games.

I think what you need to understand is the differ nice between submitting the first time with a pass vs submit, response requiring changes and the developers addressing those and getting the submissions updated.

Just hoping to clear up misinformation

We all understand the time it takes to cert this is about the fact that they choose to delay console patches to lump them together to save money on cert we ate asking zos to change this when major game breaking bugs effect content that they step up pay the money and cert a hot fix not make us deal with the bug for weeks

@hamburgerler76 @SwaminoNowlino

Im not sure there is any cost savings if they lump or seperate submissions as it's two different companies and two different submissions.

Regarding the patch for fixes being discussed ...they ...ZeniMax, should have a better QnA process or vendor as the issues lack of updates are a result of the very poor quality development and solely an ZOS issue completely absent of any console process. It's been poor prior to console release AND some of the developers were from Mythic Entertainment who also had a record of releasing poor quality content with Dark Age of Camelot.

On one point, I read some comments that seem to think certification is being delayed due to console cert processes but the developer can submit and release whenever they want (once approved) and I gather most understand that but some comments have a different tone to them. Xbox cert process is typically shorter than Sony but that isn't always true for every submission.

KingJ · June 2017

Hey @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno can you explain to us why we have to wait until mid July for a fix and why you can't move up the patch like you guys did with the VMol login.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

It's here you can see how only pc players are like look deal with it here is why it's like that we know why it's like this but it needs to change zeni needs step up when they release broke content that you make people pay for then you to fix it not make people wait so you can save money. @ZOS_GinaBruno just said in another post she understand how unacceptable this bg que is and they are working to fix it yet console have had not a single patch for it and get to wait another month for an attempt it's terrible they need to step up and get a hot fix patch out

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

KingJ wrote: »

Hey @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno can you explain to us why we have to wait until mid July for a fix and why you can't move up the patch like you guys did with the VMol login.

This is all this post ask for is major bugs like this get their patch moved up that they step up pay for the extra cert and get us the content they promised.

MilwaukeeScott · June 2017

I don't believe Zo$ knows how to fix the problem with BG Queuing.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

I really hope they can get it fixed cuss if they don't will have to wait even longer for an update

peak99 · June 2017

Nyghthowler wrote: »

What part of MicroLimp and SoWrong have to approve any and all patches that y'all don't get...?

Are you are troll, or just missing the point?

MS and PS certification takes a week.... we get patch maintenance on Xbox maybe every 1.5 months while PC get it ~ every 2 weeks.

this is because ZoS is either a) cheap, b) incompetent, c) lazy, or d) all of the above.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

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hamburgerler76 · June 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

peak99 wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

What part of MicroLimp and SoWrong have to approve any and all patches that y'all don't get...?

Are you are troll, or just missing the point?

MS and PS certification takes a week.... we get patch maintenance on Xbox maybe every 1.5 months while PC get it ~ every 2 weeks.

this is because ZoS is either a) cheap, b) incompetent, c) lazy, or d) all of the above.

Rather than rushing it, they iron out the kinks on PC, then release on console. It saves them money since they don't need two teams and it results in a more streamlined rollout (versus releasing and fixing two patches simultaneously). It's common practice in the industry.

Did you read any post besides the last couple in here everything you have said has bin proven wrong or has nothing to do with the thread please read before commenting

wolfie1.0. · June 2017

ZOS wouldn't have to patch so much if ultilized their test enviroments better. I undestand that stuff happens, but patches that are supposed to fix things should never, ever, ever break something else. That should never get past QA if it does then your QA people need to be disciplined.

Mitoice · June 2017

Dude, everytime they touch the dungeon finder it gets broken and it takes months to fix.... this is the same way it has always been... Dont you remember last time before One Tamriel? that it took 6 months to repair? OR the other time when they introduced that you have to accept the group? it got damaged for weeks...

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Mitoice wrote: »

Dude, everytime they touch the dungeon finder it gets broken and it takes months to fix.... this is the same way it has always been... Dont you remember last time before One Tamriel? that it took 6 months to repair? OR the other time when they introduced that you have to accept the group? it got damaged for weeks...

Yes but there patches have bin making bq que better it may not be perfect yet but it's better then launch day and console are still on launch day patch it is so broke I was que for 2 hours last night me and my group did not get into one match gave up and went to bed

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you not see just by this thread how the pc community feels about us it feel like you agree with them the way we are treated like 2nd class gamers

pod88kk · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

pod88kk wrote: »

We waited around 100 days for VMOL to get fixed

It's still broken.... what do you mean. Crashing is still rampantly prevalent, possibly worse than ever

Also you can still exploit vMoL to get the skin/title/loot chests. Pretty sure it was exploited excessively on Xbox. ZOS simply doesn't care.

My guild have given up on trying it but a few individuals have run it with other people & while it was no easy feat they got it done

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

lol I've never understood the obsession by some people that drives them to comment on something they don't understand to demonstrate just how little they know. It's like a sickness.

To reiterate. Console players are well aware of the console patching process, definitely more aware of it than PC players. No one is saying a patch should be live same day or even the next.

However, console patch certification does not take 6 weeks. It does not take 4 weeks. For a patch the size PC players got it takes 2-3 days.* The most a patch takes is a week.*

And all of this is beside the point @ZOS_GinaBruno told us they weren't submitting it for immediate certification, instead they were putting it in a previously scheduled incremental. This contradicts what @ZOS_BrianWheeler said when he told us everything would be pushed live immediately.

ZOS released broken content. We deserve it fixed ASAP. There is no reason we can't receive the patches from today and yesterday by 26 June. That's all we are saying. (Not that it appears we want those patches because they appear to have made everything worse.)

* These timeframes assume the certification teams don't find problems with the patch. A competent developer should never send a bad patch for cert anyways.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

lol I've never understood the obsession by some people that drives them to comment on something they don't understand to demonstrate just how little they know. It's like a sickness.

To reiterate. Console players are well aware of the console patching process, definitely more aware of it than PC players. No one is saying a patch should be live same day or even the next.

However, console patch certification does not take 6 weeks. It does not take 4 weeks. For a patch the size PC players got it takes 2-3 days.* The most a patch takes is a week.*

And all of this is beside the point @ZOS_GinaBruno told us they weren't submitting it for immediate certification, instead they were putting it in a previously scheduled incremental. This contradicts what @ZOS_BrianWheeler said when he told us everything would be pushed live immediately.

ZOS released broken content. We deserve it fixed ASAP. There is no reason we can't receive the patches from today and yesterday by 26 June. That's all we are saying. (Not that it appears we want those patches because they appear to have made everything worse.)

* These timeframes assume the certification teams don't find problems with the patch. A competent developer should never send a bad patch for cert anyways.

Thank you yes this!!! ^^^ this is what this post represents the terrible way zos handles thier patch management and the way pc players treat us any time we try to say anything about we pay the same we play the same we want the same that is all! Huge bug breaking content need hot fixes not to be delayed to save money.

DRXHarbinger · June 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Console patches are delayed a few weeks for almost every multiplat game. Not sure why this is troubling you now. It's part of the territory of owning a console. Sony and MS make a mess out of patching.

Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion.

Official MS protocol is to queue a patch for verification for a week or so....

Patch released on PC instantly.

Patch on console can be sent to MS at this time for verification, So it should be week but nothing...

Zos confirm will be mid July for a fix that is know not to work on PC as of yesterday but still proceeds....

Arrives on console months later, as experienced by all on these platforms...will not work anyway, actual fix will be deployed later on, no ETA on an actual fix.

How do you arrive at "Sony and MS make a mess out of patching"? Serious question.

Again other developers have delivered patches in the promised time (that actually work) in far shorter time frames than ZOS.

And again....No console patch has ever ever ever arrived within "A few weeks" All Patches to date have come 2 months down the line at best, at present we never got an actual fix post homestead of any use to fix EG Maw being broken, it got ignored again and again until over 100 days later Morrowind dropped and low and behold it's still shite.

Failing to see how this is a MS and Sony issue, They just host and deliver. That is all, everything else is on ZOS.

PC players seem to think their world will end by consoles being looked after better, Almost like a child being told his parents are having another kid...AAAhhhhh My toys will be neglected.

DRXHarbinger · June 2017

Cavedog wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Im editing this a lil since it's gaining a lot of support and i know its long but please read. Since it turns out I am not the only console player tired of ZoS terrible and unacceptable way they handle patches putting the blame all on Sony and micro cert! Every console player here knows it takes no longer then 5-7 days for cert if it's a large patche it is all just ZoS trying to bundle patches together to save money on certification now I understand they can't do weekly patches like they do for pc as cert would prob be a little pricy but hot fixes for major content updates need to happen they need to step up pay for cert for a hot fix and put it live. Also I'm tired of pc players coming in every time we try to complain and say get over it we beta test it for you atleast or just play pc. We are not 2nd class gamers we pay the same we play same.also about the beta testing this is 100% NOT TRUE! we get every single bug you do in every single patch just 2 weeks later then get to wait even longer for a fix. Now back more on topic and to the latest example of this terrible patch management.

Stated in there most recent post about BG que problem console players get to wait till mid to end July for the BG que patch pc is getting if it even fixes it so if it doesn't like every other time they have had a "fix" we get to wait another month or so. I paid 40$ for content that is so broke as in BG the main reason I bought the upgrade. I'm sorry zos you guys need to step up pay for an extra console cert and stopping trying to save money by getting as much into the 1 patch as you can BG needs a fix by time we get it everyone will have moved on. Please ZOS I just want what I paid you for. Console players please it is time to end this and make ZoS answer or atleast respond we are just as much as part of this community as pc players.

The game was designed to be played on PC. Play the game how it was designed to be played and you will be fine.

Consoles are now based on the same architecture as a mid level PC, get with the times.

Since when does "based on" mean equal?......There is no console that even comes close to the horsepower or versatility of a PC. It's true that game consoles are dumbed down, use specific PC's, if that's the point you were trying to make.

Think he means the previous comment is irrelevant that patching games on console is no different to PC these days. Performance is irrelevant to receiving an update from ZOS bar writing speeds.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Xbox one x will as good as most high end pcs if not better it will render true 4k gaming and 60 fps or better depending how dev choose to use the extra power all you need to do is look at the specs buddy

Don't feed the "PC Master" trolls. And especially don't feed them with advertised specs for the One X. I've always played on console, but I am by no means a fan boy for one platform over the other. Honestly, if the One X delivers 50% of what is actually advertised when its actually in use I will be surprised. The PS4 Pro was supposed to revolutionize gaming, and it never lived up to the performance metrics advertised. The One X is highly unlikely to outperform the PS4 in any appreciable way. I'd love for it to, but to get similar performance on a PC, you would need a graphics card that costs more than the entire console. So they're definitely going cheap on the build somewhere (I see red rings of death in the future). But that's all just speculation. And not the point of this thread anyways.

TLDR: Console players are well aware of the console certification process. The console certification process excuse doesn't even fit, since Gina told us they weren't submitting it ASAP, but sticking it in a scheduled incremental instead. All us console players want is to get emergency patches for completely broken content in a timely fashion. If it costs ZOS money, then oh well. That's what they get for releasing busted content despite being warned.

Axoinus · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Are we sure that's true, about PC players beta testing for console? I believe there is totally different code involved. I wouldn't' think it works that simply.

Not being hostile, just sayin'.

If it was all the same code, we all could be on the same servers.