Enough is enough console player please read!

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Im editing this a lil since it's gaining a lot of support and i know its long but please read. Since it turns out I am not the only console player tired of ZoS terrible and unacceptable way they handle patches. Putting the blame all on Sony and micro cert! Every console player here knows it takes no longer then 5-7 days for cert if it's a large patch. It is all just ZoS trying to bundle patches together to save money on certification. Now I understand they can't do weekly patches like they do for pc as cert would prob be a little pricy but hot fixes for major content updates need to happen. They need to step up pay for cert for a hot fix and put it live. Also I'm tired of pc players coming in every time we try to complain and say get over it we beta test it for you atleast, or just play pc. We are not 2nd class gamers we pay the same we play same. Also about the beta testing this is 100% NOT TRUE! we get every single bug you do in every single patch just 2 weeks later. Then get to wait even longer for a fix. Now back more on topic and to the latest example of this terrible patch management.

Stated in there most recent post about BG que problem console players get to wait till mid to end July, for the BG que patch pc is getting. If it even fixes it so if it doesn't like every other time they have had a "fix" we get to wait another month or so. I paid 40$ for content that is so broke as in BG the main reason I bought the upgrade. I'm sorry zos you guys need to step up pay for an extra console cert. Stopping trying to save money by getting as much into the 1 patch as you can BG needs a fix by time we get it everyone will have moved on. Please ZOS I just want what I paid you for. Console players please it is time to end this and make ZoS answer or atleast respond we are just as much as part of this community as pc players.

laksikus · June 2017

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

There is reason to first they make us pay extra on top of eso plus and then release it with bust que now instead of giving us a fix witch they could do by simply paying for a cert to give us a quick patch for BG but no we get wait a month not 2 to 3 weeks a month and if that patch doesn't fix it like the others have not for pc then we get to wait another month and half it is terrible game management.

hugh440 · June 2017

I doubt it would hurt them to start doing them for all platforms now simultaneously. What's happened in the past doesn't need to dictate the future permanently.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

hugh440 wrote: »

I doubt it would hurt them to start doing them for all platforms now simultaneously. What's happened in the past doesn't need to dictate the future permanently.

Exactly never winter an mmo on pc and xbox and ps4 some how manages to did this but yet it has puzzled zos for the ages

bebynnag · June 2017

why is it everytime a console player reports a bug, or expresses displeasure in the way things are done

some PC player comes along enters *** mode

& nothing is ever done about it

no community amabassador ever comes along to put a stop to it (in fact they often join in the bitching)

no official moderator ever comments or acknowledges the frustration,

in fact i will probablly get in *** for highlighting that this happens EVER TIME a console player critisises anything

2/3rds of the playerbase are ignored because the remaining 1/3 think they are better than us

Ihatenightblades · June 2017

Im on xbox the longest i wait for bg q is 5-10 mins

The problem is you never get full group on xbox lol.

Nyghthowler · June 2017

What part of MicroLimp and SoWrong have to approve any and all patches that y'all don't get...?

pod88kk · June 2017

We waited around 100 days for VMOL to get fixed

laksikus · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

There is reason to first they make us pay extra on top of eso plus and then release it with bust que now instead of giving us a fix witch they could do by simply paying for a cert to give us a quick patch for BG but no we get wait a month not 2 to 3 weeks a month and if that patch doesn't fix it like the others have not for pc then we get to wait another month and half it is terrible game management.

Guess what. PC has to wait the exact same time for every fix.
Deal with it or leave the game

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

Wow, so many comments that are just wrong or not on topic.

PC players have been told they will get the queuing fix on Monday 19 June. In the same post, @ZOS_GinaBruno told console players they were looking at Mid-July. So @laksikus, you are wrong, Kbye.

@Nyghthowler you are also wrong. Console verification takes no more than a week. Ubisoft routinely gets small patches through in 2-3 days. For larger patches, the max is a week (except on occasion when the verification team finds an issue). @ZOS_GinaBruno also told us that it wasn't coming in a hotfix patch or unscheduled maintenance, but specifically that they were holding off a month until the scheduled incremental.

In summary - ZOS is too cheap/lazy to push an extra hotfix to console to fix their broken content. There is no reason it can't be live on console by 26 June at the latest. As for cancel you're preorder? What an... odd comment. This was an advertised feature, that ZOS said would be fixed by launch. How is "cancel your preorder" an acceptable comment? Why should a customer expect what they paid for to remain broken >6 weeks after launch? Utterly absurd.

Oompuh · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Im getting tired of reading these BS statements. PC doesn't "beta test" anything. Consoles get the same exact patch, same exact bugs. just 2 weeks later. AND THEY TAKE LONGER TO GET FIXED. Get off you high horse for "beta testing" a game that's been out for 4 years.

oSemaj · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

There is reason to first they make us pay extra on top of eso plus and then release it with bust que now instead of giving us a fix witch they could do by simply paying for a cert to give us a quick patch for BG but no we get wait a month not 2 to 3 weeks a month and if that patch doesn't fix it like the others have not for pc then we get to wait another month and half it is terrible game management.

Guess what. PC has to wait the exact same time for every fix.
Deal with it or leave the game

PC gets a patch every week after a game update. Consoles get a game update then we wait for an incremental patch a month or two later.

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

hugh440 wrote: »

I doubt it would hurt them to start doing them for all platforms now simultaneously. What's happened in the past doesn't need to dictate the future permanently.

Exactly never winter an mmo on pc and xbox and ps4 some how manages to did this but yet it has puzzled zos for the ages

It's not just Never Winter. Look bruh. GTA:5 (more specifically GTA:O) is a HUGE game that is on 5 platforms (PS4, PS3, Xbox 360, PC, Xbox 1). Although newer content is only distributed on PC, PS4, and X1, Rockstar drops content updates on all 3 platforms at the same time. I kid you not. There is no bias to 1 getting things first, just because 1 is on PC or on this and that platform. And I'm pretty sure GTA:O has waaaaay more people than ESO on all platforms combined.

br0steen · June 2017

Oh sweet a pc vs console thread.

PC is easymode pvp
Hastag truth bombs

IwakuraLain42 · June 2017

This has always been the patch cycle for us poor Console users: ZOS just bundles up 4-5 weeks of PC incremental patches, sends them to certification and pushes them out. That means we usually see only 2 patches per 3 months, regardless of the severity of issues. One of the may things that shows how much they value the Console population ... guess which platforms the developers will most likely play on ... ;-)

HEXENWOLF · June 2017

I thought everyone on console understood delays in patches were almost always because of Playstation Plus and Xbox Live? Blame Sony and Microsoft for being slow to allow content distribution. They screen almost every app and update before it's released.

Alcast · June 2017

The real question is whether they are actually able to fix the queue or not. I have been told its still buggy on pc, at least the grp queue. Still amazed that after 2 years that tool is not working propperly.
Reminds me of the cakefiasko

Seraphayel · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

There is reason to first they make us pay extra on top of eso plus and then release it with bust que now instead of giving us a fix witch they could do by simply paying for a cert to give us a quick patch for BG but no we get wait a month not 2 to 3 weeks a month and if that patch doesn't fix it like the others have not for pc then we get to wait another month and half it is terrible game management.

Guess what. PC has to wait the exact same time for every fix.
Deal with it or leave the game

Uuuuhm no? PC is getting smaller updates more frequently whereas Console gets one bigger update once a month or so.

Turelus · June 2017

Don't other games manage to get patched out at the same time because they hold the PC ones back until everyone can get it?

ZOS pushes them live on PC faster because they can, that's one of the benefits of the format. They need to wait for consoles due to certification stuff.
So they have the choice of hold everyone's patches back until consoles can have them, or push them live on PC as soon as they're done because they can, then they'll learn if it didn't work earlier and can start working on fixes faster.

Yeah it sucks to have to wait on console, but that's sadly one of the negatives of console.

IwakuraLain42 · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Don't other games manage to get patched out at the same time because they hold the PC ones back until everyone can get it?

ZOS pushes them live on PC faster because they can, that's one of the benefits of the format. They need to wait for consoles due to certification stuff.
So they have the choice of hold everyone's patches back until consoles can have them, or push them live on PC as soon as they're done because they can, then they'll learn if it didn't work earlier and can start working on fixes faster.

Yeah it sucks to have to wait on console, but that's sadly one of the negatives of console.

They could easily push the PC patch one week later on Consoles (cert doesn't take longer) but they have chosen (for whatever reasons) not to do this. There is no reason coming from MS/Sony to bundle the patches up. That is plain and simply ZOS decision.

Vaoh · June 2017

pod88kk wrote: »

We waited around 100 days for VMOL to get fixed

It's still broken.... what do you mean. Crashing is still rampantly prevalent, possibly worse than ever

Also you can still exploit vMoL to get the skin/title/loot chests. Pretty sure it was exploited excessively on Xbox. ZOS simply doesn't care.

xBOOBOOxKITTYx · June 2017

HEXENWOLF wrote: »

I thought everyone on console understood delays in patches were almost always because of Playstation Plus and Xbox Live? Blame Sony and Microsoft for being slow to allow content distribution. They screen almost every app and update before it's released.

MS/SONY can't cert coding they don't get. That's the reality. It's not a 4-6 wait on MS/SONY, its 3-7 days. The problem here is ZoS just doesn't send the patches in a reasonable time frame. It's a decision they made.

For serious issues like BG, random dungeon queues, and other inaccessible content, I as a console player, don't think it would be fair to hold PC patches back even that week. Everyone deserves prompt fixes. Having said that, ZoS's approach in holding consoles back 4-5 weeks is terrible. Shame on you ZoS, shame on you.

ArchMikem · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

That's not a valid excuse to fall back on anymore. The problems and bugs PC users deal with and report still end up in the Console release regardless.

Sotihe · June 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Wow, so many comments that are just wrong or not on topic.

PC players have been told they will get the queuing fix on Monday 19 June. In the same post, @ZOS_GinaBruno told console players they were looking at Mid-July. So @laksikus, you are wrong, Kbye.

@Nyghthowler you are also wrong. Console verification takes no more than a week. Ubisoft routinely gets small patches through in 2-3 days. For larger patches, the max is a week (except on occasion when the verification team finds an issue). @ZOS_GinaBruno also told us that it wasn't coming in a hotfix patch or unscheduled maintenance, but specifically that they were holding off a month until the scheduled incremental.

In summary - ZOS is too cheap/lazy to push an extra hotfix to console to fix their broken content. There is no reason it can't be live on console by 26 June at the latest. As for cancel you're preorder? What an... odd comment. This was an advertised feature, that ZOS said would be fixed by launch. How is "cancel your preorder" an acceptable comment? Why should a customer expect what they paid for to remain broken >6 weeks after launch? Utterly absurd.

I have to agree with you. As a PC playing I also don't thing its fair for you guys having to wait. Console has to wait on everything, even then some of the stuff still isn't fixed. Zos is just one good game release away from ESO being a ghost town. I truly don't understand how the console players are even still playing this game much less having to pay to play a game that's is barely in beta form for them.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Yes please console players unite are voices let's stop this it's not fair anymore no more ms and Sony blame we all know what's going on zos holds patches to bundle together to save money on cert. Certification takes at most a week it is so dumb that we have to wait months for fixes some times if we get them at all and cuss we are consoles we just have to deal with it or leave? What kinda community/game management style is that? All we are asking for is what we are paying for!

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

HEXENWOLF wrote: »

I thought everyone on console understood delays in patches were almost always because of Playstation Plus and Xbox Live? Blame Sony and Microsoft for being slow to allow content distribution. They screen almost every app and update before it's released.

Turelus wrote: »

Don't other games manage to get patched out at the same time because they hold the PC ones back until everyone can get it?

ZOS pushes them live on PC faster because they can, that's one of the benefits of the format. They need to wait for consoles due to certification stuff.
So they have the choice of hold everyone's patches back until consoles can have them, or push them live on PC as soon as they're done because they can, then they'll learn if it didn't work earlier and can start working on fixes faster.

Yeah it sucks to have to wait on console, but that's sadly one of the negatives of console.

Quit drinking the Kool-Aid dudes!

I used to buy this excuse hook line and sinker every time. The only game I played on Xbox One for almost 2 years was ESO. Then i started playing other games and noticed their patch cycles. Yes, stuff still went through certification, but for patches similar in size to what ESO usually puts out, they are live in around 5 days. Smaller patches, like a hotfix to matchmaking get out in 2-3 days.

It's also important to see how @ZOS_GinaBruno phrased it when she replied to us. She said it would be in the next scheduled incremental. So they see no need to push it immediately live (despite @ZOS_BrianWheeler stating in the same thread that any fixes would be pushed immediately live), but just stick it in with the bundle of stuff 3 weeks or so later so they don't have to do two patches.

We just need to somehow get the message across that when ZOS screws something up, punishing the players for their screw up is not acceptable. If you release potato code (after being told on the PTS its potato), then suck it up and pay to fix it. Don't stick your head in the sand and hope the dissatisfied customers go away.

@ZOS_RichLambert

DRXHarbinger · June 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Wow, so many comments that are just wrong or not on topic.

PC players have been told they will get the queuing fix on Monday 19 June. In the same post, @ZOS_GinaBruno told console players they were looking at Mid-July. So @laksikus, you are wrong, Kbye.

@Nyghthowler you are also wrong. Console verification takes no more than a week. Ubisoft routinely gets small patches through in 2-3 days. For larger patches, the max is a week (except on occasion when the verification team finds an issue). @ZOS_GinaBruno also told us that it wasn't coming in a hotfix patch or unscheduled maintenance, but specifically that they were holding off a month until the scheduled incremental.

In summary - ZOS is too cheap/lazy to push an extra hotfix to console to fix their broken content. There is no reason it can't be live on console by 26 June at the latest. As for cancel you're preorder? What an... odd comment. This was an advertised feature, that ZOS said would be fixed by launch. How is "cancel your preorder" an acceptable comment? Why should a customer expect what they paid for to remain broken >6 weeks after launch? Utterly absurd.

You are wrong yourself bar the last part.

All battlefield games on Xbox 1 and old MW games had patches drop in a heartbeat. Microsoft aren't to blame for this at all. Patches just require payment to the platform owner. MS don't do it for free. Zos being the greedy *** they just park up x amount of things and release in bulk as it's cheaper. It's actually widely known this is how it works their end. Dice and EA just budget accordingly. The one week queue does exist. ..but it isn't free to get it there.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Wow, so many comments that are just wrong or not on topic.

PC players have been told they will get the queuing fix on Monday 19 June. In the same post, @ZOS_GinaBruno told console players they were looking at Mid-July. So @laksikus, you are wrong, Kbye.

@Nyghthowler you are also wrong. Console verification takes no more than a week. Ubisoft routinely gets small patches through in 2-3 days. For larger patches, the max is a week (except on occasion when the verification team finds an issue). @ZOS_GinaBruno also told us that it wasn't coming in a hotfix patch or unscheduled maintenance, but specifically that they were holding off a month until the scheduled incremental.

In summary - ZOS is too cheap/lazy to push an extra hotfix to console to fix their broken content. There is no reason it can't be live on console by 26 June at the latest. As for cancel you're preorder? What an... odd comment. This was an advertised feature, that ZOS said would be fixed by launch. How is "cancel your preorder" an acceptable comment? Why should a customer expect what they paid for to remain broken >6 weeks after launch? Utterly absurd.

You are wrong yourself bar the last part.

All battlefield games on Xbox 1 and old MW games had patches drop in a heartbeat. Microsoft aren't to blame for this at all. Patches just require payment to the platform owner. MS don't do it for free. Zos being the greedy *** they just park up x amount of things and release in bulk as it's cheaper. It's actually widely known this is how it works their end. Dice and EA just budget accordingly. The one week queue does exist. ..but it isn't free to get it there.

...

How is anything I said wrong? You just agreed with everything I said... I stated explicitly that it was ZOS being cheap?

Moglijuana · June 2017

br0steen wrote: »

Oh sweet a pc vs console thread.

PC is easymode pvp
Hastag truth bombs

For real though. Watching PC pvp clips is so cringy bc of how bad most of the players are lol.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

HEXENWOLF wrote: »

I thought everyone on console understood delays in patches were almost always because of Playstation Plus and Xbox Live? Blame Sony and Microsoft for being slow to allow content distribution. They screen almost every app and update before it's released.

Turelus wrote: »

Don't other games manage to get patched out at the same time because they hold the PC ones back until everyone can get it?

ZOS pushes them live on PC faster because they can, that's one of the benefits of the format. They need to wait for consoles due to certification stuff.
So they have the choice of hold everyone's patches back until consoles can have them, or push them live on PC as soon as they're done because they can, then they'll learn if it didn't work earlier and can start working on fixes faster.

Yeah it sucks to have to wait on console, but that's sadly one of the negatives of console.

Quit drinking the Kool-Aid dudes!

I used to buy this excuse hook line and sinker every time. The only game I played on Xbox One for almost 2 years was ESO. Then i started playing other games and noticed their patch cycles. Yes, stuff still went through certification, but for patches similar in size to what ESO usually puts out, they are live in around 5 days. Smaller patches, like a hotfix to matchmaking get out in 2-3 days.

It's also important to see how @ZOS_GinaBruno phrased it when she replied to us. She said it would be in the next scheduled incremental. So they see no need to push it immediately live (despite @ZOS_BrianWheeler stating in the same thread that any fixes would be pushed immediately live), but just stick it in with the bundle of stuff 3 weeks or so later so they don't have to do two patches.

We just need to somehow get the message across that when ZOS screws something up, punishing the players for their screw up is not acceptable. If you release potato code (after being told on the PTS its potato), then suck it up and pay to fix it. Don't stick your head in the sand and hope the dissatisfied customers go away.

@ZOS_RichLambert

Yes this! This is exactly how it is and its not acceptable we pay the same we play the same amount of time and effort in that pc does but we are seen as 2nd class citizens in eso community cuss we play in these "lesser machines" and just get crap on forums when we complain. We all know cert does not take as long as they say they just want to save money and bundle patches instead of doing it with are weekly maintenance like they do for pc! It's not a coincidence that whenever pc maintenance is down it comes with a patch notes link and console just get a live notification.