MSorc DPS - CP setups and Rotations and your DPS tests results?

WarpigFunk · June 2017

I'm looking to get an idea of CP consensus from the sorc community for ranged mag DPS.

I just got the patch yesterday playing on PS4 NA.
Pre patch I was consistently running top end DPS - around 40-42 on average with max tests at 44.
Post patch the best Ive seen so far is 35k self ele drained. More consistently around 33k. (thats a pretty dramatic dropoff, tho admittedly Im still getting used to the rotation)

I've gone through probably 100k in gold on CP setup changes just testing various things.
I've settled around 49 elfborn / 56 ele exp / 28 MaA / the rest in staff/ erosion. (iirc, not in game at the moment)

After experimenting with some weird setups, I ended up with a rotation that's pretty close to Homestead except dropped frags- and use the occasional heavy to sustain.
Running 1 MD ring with recovery glyph, the rest spell damage
I've tested both witchmothers and blue food - results were within margin for error so not much gained or lost either way.

Just curious where the new top end is , and what everyone else has found as far as an optimized CP distribution.

Thanks!

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2017

I was about same boat as you pre-patch. I was able to get 43k self buffed, running my own drain, on a mSorc using the meta rotation.

This patch, I am down quite a bit. I can see if I can dig up some screenshots if you would like. Running a straight HA build (no force pulse/frags), I can hit about 36.5k self buffed. It's not quite as easy as it sounds, because you still need to weave your DOTs and an execute. It basically takes me 8 full rotations and I do 5-6 exeutes. That ends up being 37-38 Light attacks, for about 3.5k DPS. In other words, you still need a solid LA weave to make this work.

Doing the old school rotation, I can get about 38-39k. I messed with witch mothers, and drain magic poisons, but couldnt get it to out parse the old roation with the simple change of throwing in some heavy attacks. I need 6 HAs to get through a 3 million health dummy. I want to do some further testing to see if its possible to do in 5. I think I can hit 40k with a perfect rotation and a touch of sorc rng (frag procs and crit).

WarpigFunk · June 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4DoG3l5YT8

^ How I'm currently set up. I've gotten to around 38k with this thus far on tests ... and trials efficacy is there for sure. I feel that with a cleaner rotation (I just started using this) and if I had a Moondancer lightning sharp, this too is a 40k rotation. Especially with "sorc rng"

I've put skills and cp in the vid - rotation test parses out just under 37k here but I've tested both higher and lower with it.

Gear is ilambris / Necro / Infall - sharp infall lightning front, sharp maelstrom inferno back.

FlyLionel · June 2017

Netch touch or Necro? Which is giving the best results? Single Target/Aoe?

Still deciding to farm infall sharpened or just put a poison on my 2nd VMA staff for drain magicka..or damage.

Also my dps was 30k with BSW..yeah I know didn't get my gear yet.

WarpigFunk · June 2017

For general purpose max dps setups Homestead BiS is Morrowind BiS ... Necro / Moondancer / ilambris (or grothdarr in melee range) Sharp MD Light front, Sharp Maelstrom Inferno back.

If your raid leader requires you to run lightning wall or some support dps role specifically- or in the rare limited scenarios where pets are non viable, I can imagine some setups where scathing/ Netch or spider/ Netch or something along those lines might be preferrable.

At least according to my testing anyway .... I advocate testing everything for yourself if you have the time and inclination. Everyone's playstyle is different

FlyLionel · June 2017

Yes @WarpigFunk I have a couple netch pieces to go/scathing and gonna buy all necro when I get time off during the weekend to test. Just wanted to know ahead of time, thanks.

Cameron991 · June 2017

WarpigFunk wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4DoG3l5YT8

^ How I'm currently set up. I've gotten to around 38k with this thus far on tests ... and trials efficacy is there for sure. I feel that with a cleaner rotation (I just started using this) and if I had a Moondancer lightning sharp, this too is a 40k rotation. Especially with "sorc rng"

I've put skills and cp in the vid - rotation test parses out just under 37k here but I've tested both higher and lower with it.

Gear is ilambris / Necro / Infall - sharp infall lightning front, sharp maelstrom inferno back.

Hey awesome video is vampire a great choice or does it slow you down a bit? @WarpigFunk

WarpigFunk · June 2017

IMO vampire is BiS for pretty much everything lol

Jonnybueno · June 2017

Good stuff warpig. I'm running two sharp necro staffs and one moondancer body piece/jewelry. Stuck at 34k, might try your setup. Well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo-b2coBox8

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2017

@WarpigFunk

I like the rotation. It's a little different than what I am seeing from most. One thing I might suggest, swap the order of prey and your pet. Pet has the longer duration so it should be cast first. This maximizes your uptime of prey while pet is active.

Jonnybueno · June 2017

@WarpigFunk if you have some downtime can you try my rotation and post results. I tried your rotation and I can't seem get anymore dps out of my setup

WarpigFunk · June 2017

Jonnybueno wrote: »

@WarpigFunk if you have some downtime can you try my rotation and post results. I tried your rotation and I can't seem get anymore dps out of my setup

OK so just swapping out frags for force pulse, yea?
I've actually tested that, dont remember off hand the results. I'll log in and give it a go real quick and let you know.

WarpigFunk · June 2017

WarpigFunk wrote: »

Jonnybueno wrote: »

@WarpigFunk if you have some downtime can you try my rotation and post results. I tried your rotation and I can't seem get anymore dps out of my setup

OK so just swapping out frags for force pulse, yea?
I've actually tested that, dont remember off hand the results. I'll log in and give it a go real quick and let you know.

I tested this am - a few different ways - but it pretty much always came up 33-35k ... I think I hit 35.9 once , mustve been crit rng... so you're fine. Sorcs just took a hit this patch - don't think it's just you. We're all pushing the same buttons :P
You do one or two tests you're gonna get what you get - you do 100 tests you're gonna have at least one bananas parse.

Jonnybueno · June 2017

@WarpigFunk usual backbar stuff, on front bar I do one force pulse and try to barswap cancel destructive reach. I can't seem to get vma sharp or any of the trials staffs in sharpened so I was curious if I could possibly hit better numbers with different gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqpb7DtZR8

WarpigFunk · June 2017

Jonnybueno wrote: »

@WarpigFunk usual backbar stuff, on front bar I do one force pulse and try to barswap cancel destructive reach. I can't seem to get vma sharp or any of the trials staffs in sharpened so I was curious if I could possibly hit better numbers with different gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqpb7DtZR8

The answer is yes. You will see a measurable dps increase going from something like, lets say crafted staffs, to something like (4 pc) Moondancer front bar, with sharp maelstrom back bar. However, it's not an earthshattering, gamebreaking difference. Still worth farming those items, because if you're DPS - why not be optimised to the max.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2017

This is my heavy attack build: 36.6K completely self buffed
(It hit 49k on the first boss in VHOF, and last night I hit 75k on the first boss in VICP. The splash damage on add heavy fights is nuts).

Gear: 5 Necro, 4 Moondancer, 2 Ilambris, VMA Back Bar.

CP: 56 in Elemental expert, 75 in Thaumaturge, 44 in Elfborn, 16 in Master at Arms, 19 in Staff Expert (courtesy of Nos and Asayre).

For skeleton parses and most 4 man, I run double lighting. In trials, I back bar a fire.

My Bars (for this parse):
Front: Mages Wrath, Inner light, Elemental Drain, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Shooting Star
Back: Liquid Lighting, Elemental Blockade, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Daedric Prey, Elemental Rage.

In trials, I drop drain for a shield and swap my ultimates. We swap ultimates because we need a front bar destro skill.

Rotation: LA>LL, LA>Blockade, LA>Familiar, LA>Daedric Prey, Bar Swap, HAx2, Bar Swap, Repeat.

At execute, I keep up all the DOTS, but HAx2 becomes LA>Mages Wrath x4. The rotation is very easy, but you do need a decent light weave to maximize your DPS. In this parse I missed one Light Weave. 38 is the goal. basically it takes 8 rotations. 8x4DOTS - 32, and I usually do 6 executes. So if you dont miss one, its 38. I point this out because simply looking at your LA number will tell you a lot about how well you hit the rotation.

One trick to this rotation is to swap cancel your drain. Basically after your second heavy attack, you cast drain and swap. This takes basically no time out of your rotation. In trials, you can do the same thing with shields for a ton of survivability.

Any Questions and I am happy to try and help. There is definitely room to do a little better hear. I think 38 is possible with some luck. My crit RNG was pretty bad on everything except my blockade.

Waffennacht · June 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This is my heavy attack build: 36.6K completely self buffed
(It hit 49k on the first boss in VHOF, and last night I hit 75k on the first boss in VICP. The splash damage on add heavy fights is nuts).

Gear: 5 Necro, 4 Moondancer, 2 Ilambris, VMA Back Bar.

CP: 56 in Elemental expert, 75 in Thaumaturge, 44 in Elfborn, 16 in Master at Arms, 19 in Staff Expert (courtesy of Nos and Asayre).

For skeleton parses and most 4 man, I run double lighting. In trials, I back bar a fire.

My Bars (for this parse):
Front: Mages Wrath, Inner light, Elemental Drain, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Shooting Star
Back: Liquid Lighting, Elemental Blockade, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Daedric Prey, Elemental Rage.

In trials, I drop drain for a shield and swap my ultimates. We swap ultimates because we need a front bar destro skill.

Rotation: LA>LL, LA>Blockade, LA>Familiar, LA>Daedric Prey, Bar Swap, HAx2, Bar Swap, Repeat.

At execute, I keep up all the DOTS, but HAx2 becomes LA>Mages Wrath x4. The rotation is very easy, but you do need a decent light weave to maximize your DPS. In this parse I missed one Light Weave. 38 is the goal. basically it takes 8 rotations. 8x4DOTS - 32, and I usually do 6 executes. So if you dont miss one, its 38. I point this out because simply looking at your LA number will tell you a lot about how well you hit the rotation.

One trick to this rotation is to swap cancel your drain. Basically after your second heavy attack, you cast drain and swap. This takes basically no time out of your rotation. In trials, you can do the same thing with shields for a ton of survivability.

Any Questions and I am happy to try and help.

...

Wanna know what alcast runs? - Moondance and necro illambris
Wanna know what thelon runs? - Moondance necro illambris
Wanna know what Delta runs? - Moondance necro illambris
Wanna know what practically every player runs? You get 1 guess...

It's just so boring.....

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This is my heavy attack build: 36.6K completely self buffed
(It hit 49k on the first boss in VHOF, and last night I hit 75k on the first boss in VICP. The splash damage on add heavy fights is nuts).

Gear: 5 Necro, 4 Moondancer, 2 Ilambris, VMA Back Bar.

CP: 56 in Elemental expert, 75 in Thaumaturge, 44 in Elfborn, 16 in Master at Arms, 19 in Staff Expert (courtesy of Nos and Asayre).

For skeleton parses and most 4 man, I run double lighting. In trials, I back bar a fire.

My Bars (for this parse):
Front: Mages Wrath, Inner light, Elemental Drain, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Shooting Star
Back: Liquid Lighting, Elemental Blockade, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Daedric Prey, Elemental Rage.

In trials, I drop drain for a shield and swap my ultimates. We swap ultimates because we need a front bar destro skill.

Rotation: LA>LL, LA>Blockade, LA>Familiar, LA>Daedric Prey, Bar Swap, HAx2, Bar Swap, Repeat.

At execute, I keep up all the DOTS, but HAx2 becomes LA>Mages Wrath x4. The rotation is very easy, but you do need a decent light weave to maximize your DPS. In this parse I missed one Light Weave. 38 is the goal. basically it takes 8 rotations. 8x4DOTS - 32, and I usually do 6 executes. So if you dont miss one, its 38. I point this out because simply looking at your LA number will tell you a lot about how well you hit the rotation.

One trick to this rotation is to swap cancel your drain. Basically after your second heavy attack, you cast drain and swap. This takes basically no time out of your rotation. In trials, you can do the same thing with shields for a ton of survivability.

Any Questions and I am happy to try and help.

...

Wanna know what alcast runs? - Moondance and necro illambris
Wanna know what thelon runs? - Moondance necro illambris
Wanna know what Delta runs? - Moondance necro illambris
Wanna know what practically every player runs? You get 1 guess...

It's just so boring.....

Maybe I am missing the point of this thread. I thought you were asking what people were doing and what the results were. I was just posting info, bud. Why do I run moondancer, Ilambris, and necro? Because it's the most DPS. If that makes it boring, well...I guess I am boring. Show me gear that does a better job and I will jump on it.

There will ALWAYS be Meta Gear. The math geeks will figure out what pulls .5% more DPS than the next best setup, and the community at large will try to run it. Would running Grothdar or Aether or Willpower or Julianos or Netchs etc. make the game more exciting? Your gear is essentially passive. I thinks its weird that I am being criticized from running BIS gear.

Edit: Also, you are basically running the same gear. Haha. The difference between Infal and Moondancer is very very small. I have some other parses of a more traditional rotation with force pulse/frags, that pulls more DPS, but I am not sure I will bother at this point. I was just trying to be helpful and present a very simple and efficient rotation for mSorc this patch.

Waffennacht · June 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This is my heavy attack build: 36.6K completely self buffed
(It hit 49k on the first boss in VHOF, and last night I hit 75k on the first boss in VICP. The splash damage on add heavy fights is nuts).

Gear: 5 Necro, 4 Moondancer, 2 Ilambris, VMA Back Bar.

CP: 56 in Elemental expert, 75 in Thaumaturge, 44 in Elfborn, 16 in Master at Arms, 19 in Staff Expert (courtesy of Nos and Asayre).

For skeleton parses and most 4 man, I run double lighting. In trials, I back bar a fire.

My Bars (for this parse):
Front: Mages Wrath, Inner light, Elemental Drain, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Shooting Star
Back: Liquid Lighting, Elemental Blockade, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Daedric Prey, Elemental Rage.

In trials, I drop drain for a shield and swap my ultimates. We swap ultimates because we need a front bar destro skill.

Rotation: LA>LL, LA>Blockade, LA>Familiar, LA>Daedric Prey, Bar Swap, HAx2, Bar Swap, Repeat.

At execute, I keep up all the DOTS, but HAx2 becomes LA>Mages Wrath x4. The rotation is very easy, but you do need a decent light weave to maximize your DPS. In this parse I missed one Light Weave. 38 is the goal. basically it takes 8 rotations. 8x4DOTS - 32, and I usually do 6 executes. So if you dont miss one, its 38. I point this out because simply looking at your LA number will tell you a lot about how well you hit the rotation.

One trick to this rotation is to swap cancel your drain. Basically after your second heavy attack, you cast drain and swap. This takes basically no time out of your rotation. In trials, you can do the same thing with shields for a ton of survivability.

Any Questions and I am happy to try and help.

...

Wanna know what alcast runs? - Moondance and necro illambris
Wanna know what thelon runs? - Moondance necro illambris
Wanna know what Delta runs? - Moondance necro illambris
Wanna know what practically every player runs? You get 1 guess...

It's just so boring.....

Maybe I am missing the point of this thread. I thought you were asking what people were doing and what the results were. I was just posting info, bud. Why do I run moondancer, Ilambris, and necro? Because it's the most DPS. If that makes it boring, well...I guess I am boring. Show me gear that does a better job and I will jump on it.

There will ALWAYS be Meta Gear. The math geeks will figure out what pulls .5% more DPS than the next best setup, and the community at large will try to run it. Would running Grothdar or Aether or Willpower or Julianos or Netchs etc. make the game more exciting? Your gear is essentially passive. I thinks its weird that I am being criticized from running BIS gear.

You're not being criticized. Not at all! In fact I'm listing you with a bunch of really good players

. I personally just find it boring is all. I'm also not the OP, just some stooge

@Oreyn_Bearclaw I didn't mean to offend, just pointing it out and was originally gonna make a comment about how BSW was nerfed to create"diversity" and just decided not to.

Anyway, yes it's BiS and it's gonna be the same for every single magicka build. At which point it's like, ok cool half of the whole gaming process has essentially been cut out - boring

OP is WarPigFunk I am Waffennacht but it's definitely very similar looking lol

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This is my heavy attack build: 36.6K completely self buffed
(It hit 49k on the first boss in VHOF, and last night I hit 75k on the first boss in VICP. The splash damage on add heavy fights is nuts).

Gear: 5 Necro, 4 Moondancer, 2 Ilambris, VMA Back Bar.

CP: 56 in Elemental expert, 75 in Thaumaturge, 44 in Elfborn, 16 in Master at Arms, 19 in Staff Expert (courtesy of Nos and Asayre).

For skeleton parses and most 4 man, I run double lighting. In trials, I back bar a fire.

My Bars (for this parse):
Front: Mages Wrath, Inner light, Elemental Drain, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Shooting Star
Back: Liquid Lighting, Elemental Blockade, Bound Aegis, Volatile Familiar, Daedric Prey, Elemental Rage.

In trials, I drop drain for a shield and swap my ultimates. We swap ultimates because we need a front bar destro skill.

Rotation: LA>LL, LA>Blockade, LA>Familiar, LA>Daedric Prey, Bar Swap, HAx2, Bar Swap, Repeat.

At execute, I keep up all the DOTS, but HAx2 becomes LA>Mages Wrath x4. The rotation is very easy, but you do need a decent light weave to maximize your DPS. In this parse I missed one Light Weave. 38 is the goal. basically it takes 8 rotations. 8x4DOTS - 32, and I usually do 6 executes. So if you dont miss one, its 38. I point this out because simply looking at your LA number will tell you a lot about how well you hit the rotation.

One trick to this rotation is to swap cancel your drain. Basically after your second heavy attack, you cast drain and swap. This takes basically no time out of your rotation. In trials, you can do the same thing with shields for a ton of survivability.

Any Questions and I am happy to try and help.

...

Wanna know what alcast runs? - Moondance and necro illambris
Wanna know what thelon runs? - Moondance necro illambris
Wanna know what Delta runs? - Moondance necro illambris
Wanna know what practically every player runs? You get 1 guess...

It's just so boring.....

Maybe I am missing the point of this thread. I thought you were asking what people were doing and what the results were. I was just posting info, bud. Why do I run moondancer, Ilambris, and necro? Because it's the most DPS. If that makes it boring, well...I guess I am boring. Show me gear that does a better job and I will jump on it.

There will ALWAYS be Meta Gear. The math geeks will figure out what pulls .5% more DPS than the next best setup, and the community at large will try to run it. Would running Grothdar or Aether or Willpower or Julianos or Netchs etc. make the game more exciting? Your gear is essentially passive. I thinks its weird that I am being criticized from running BIS gear.

You're not being criticized. Not at all! In fact I'm listing you with a bunch of really good players . I personally just find it boring is all. I'm also not the OP, just some stooge @Oreyn_Bearclaw I didn't mean to offend, just pointing it out and was originally gonna make a comment about how BSW was nerfed to create"diversity" and just decided not to.

Anyway, yes it's BiS and it's gonna be the same for every single magicka build. At which point it's like, ok cool half of the whole gaming process has essentially been cut out - boring

Fair point (and definitely confused you with the OP). That said, I do believe there was some diversity added with the BSW nerf. Pre Patch, 3/4 classes used BSW (4 if you count non-pet sorcs). Now we have one class using it (mDK). BSW is trash on a sorc this patch. Necro is best with a pet, Netches is best without a pet, and julianos is perfectly viable. I dont believe Necro is BIS on any other class.

Its still too soon to tell, but it looks like we have a different meta 5 piece for every class, which hasnt happened in a LONG while. Sorc=Necro, NB=Scathing, DK=BSW, Templar=War Maiden, Warden=Moondancer+julianos. Jury is still out on Warden, and maybe Templar, but there is definitely diversity among magic DPS.

WarpigFunk · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

OP is WarPigFunk ...

^ reverse that. Thats wassup. (lol)

:P