Earthtear Cavern is more expensive than Mass Effect Andromeda

BigBragg · March 2017

Well played with the account name @Origin. Another example of companies vying for exclusive access to the wallet.

Pallio · March 2017

Thinking about this too, spend $100-$200 on ESO or something new.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2017

Wait... 90 EUR for a "VIRTUAL", empty house that doesn't even have additional storage in it ?!
And most of AAA games cost about 60 EUR...

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dday3six · March 2017

Doflamingo wrote: »

But Mass Effect Andromeda lasts for like 1 week and then there's nothing to do (story takes 4 days at most). ESO is an MMORPG so it never ends

ME:A has multiple player modes. Which can, depending on player preference, extend the game's live exponentially. Also even with the streamlined class system, other player choices will have different in game outcomes, so there will be players who do multiple playthroughs.

BigBragg · March 2017

Meanwhile, GTA Online continues to pop out new content without a manditory additional cost to the consumers.

kalimar44 · March 2017

At least we are not being forced to pay$15/month to play. Let's be real here house are a waste of time and money. I'm to busy running trials,dungeons,selling,helping others and so on to even put any time into housing. Dam I spend enough time in real life dealing with a real home. I want to play ESO not Sims.

Surragard · March 2017

Same argument against yachts in GTA V. For most players its insane to throw down that kind of money on housing but there are players that will spend it and it also gives you a huge stretch goal to consider at some point, especially if in the future you're sitting on some crowns and there's a crown store sale or they discount the price of the house.

I also imagine that housing will have more features added in the future and the cave would make for good guild housing. I wouldn't drop the cash on this today but I can see why ZOS has it in the game.

Cadbury · March 2017

I think I'll buy Persona 5 instead of ME:Andromeda.

Thanks, OP!

AlnilamE · March 2017

Origin wrote: »

Let's see:
Earthtear Cavern
13000 Crowns not furnished = 90 EUR
16300 Crowns furnished = 105 EUR

ESO Crowns
5500 crowns = 34.99 EUR
3000 crowns = 20.99 EUR

Mass Effect Andromeda
Editions:
Standard - 59.90 EUR
Deluxe - 69.99 EUR
Super Deluxe - 89.99 EUR

So, Earthtear Cavern unfurnished is more expensive than both Mass Effect Andromeda Standard and Deluxe edition, being on par with Super Deluxe edition. The Earthtear Cavern furnished is more expensive than all the Mass Effect editions.

While Mass Effect Andromeda was in development for 5 years with a team of 200 developers in all 3 BioWare's studios (Wiki Mass Effect: Andromeda) and a huge budget (ME3 budget was around 40 millions - The state of AAA games - and MEA is bigger than ME3 and is using a different engine), the Earthtear Cavern is practically an empty space with no functionality and objects which you cannot interact with - that most likely took a couple of man days to make.

I think this is a perfect example how ridiculous is ZoS pricing the digital content in ESO. Even if we consider the case of a player having a subscription and using the crowns granted when the subscription is renewed, those crowns are not free since the subscription costs real money too.

What do you think about the prices and the value of the digital content available in ESO?

To each their own.

Though you should probably have compared it to the price of Morrowind.

Personally, if I do buy Earthtear Cavern, it will be with the crowns I get with my subscription, which I wouldn't be able to use to buy either Morrowind or ME:Andromeda, so there's that.

grannas211 · March 2017

I wish it had an in game gold (although i guess it would be like 6 mil). I really wanted to make a Vampire Lair kinda deal but Im not spending that much for a non-functioning house.

Elara_Northwind · March 2017

Origin, is that you....?

I feel really strongly about this, probably because I really loved Earthtear Cavern on the pts, and my decision not to buy it (which is difficult, because I really want it!) has nothing to do with not being able to afford it, but more so due to principle.

It kind of reminds me of the Elk mount. I have wanted a deer type mount in this game for a really long time, but that was overpriced, and this cavern (and actually even some of the bigger houses) are ridiculously priced in terms of crowns!

I honestly believe that if they lowered the prices of these, they would make more money, as more people would be inclined to purchase these items... A house in a game, which is purely decorative, should NOT cost more than an entire game, and I don't understand the mentality of anyone who believes that these prices are reasonable for zenimax to charge. They are getting very greedy and the majority of people are surprisingly accepting about that.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2017

But are there any blue Aliens I can have sexy time with in Earthtear?

Elsonso · March 2017

Origin wrote: »

I think this is a perfect example how ridiculous is ZoS pricing the digital content in ESO. Even if we consider the case of a player having a subscription and using the crowns granted when the subscription is renewed, those crowns are not free since the subscription costs real money too.

What do you think about the prices and the value of the digital content available in ESO?

I think that it is not the pricing of Earthtear Cavern compared to ME: Andromeda that is ridiculous. People are willing to pay that much for it. Each to his own, but to me, that seems more ridiculous.

When people stop paying high prices, they will stop asking high prices. Until then, why should they stop asking?

sickboy2808 · March 2017

It is NOT expensive to me as i refuse to spend any money on these so called houses.

Ariotar · March 2017

Doflamingo wrote: »

But Mass Effect Andromeda lasts for like 1 week and then there's nothing to do (story takes 4 days at most). ESO is an MMORPG so it never ends

Officially triggered. I have over 200 hours into ME3 alone. The replayablity of the ME franchise is incredible. Plus MEA has fully explorable planets which previous titles didn't have (ME1 kinda did, but this time it's not just barren emptiness). This is without even talking about the insanely popular multiplayer. Do research/become educated about the topic before posting. You obviously haven't played Mass Effect or haven't played it enough to understand it.

Cadbury · March 2017

Ariotar wrote: »

Doflamingo wrote: »

But Mass Effect Andromeda lasts for like 1 week and then there's nothing to do (story takes 4 days at most). ESO is an MMORPG so it never ends

Officially triggered. I have over 200 hours into ME3 alone. The replayablity of the ME franchise is incredible. Plus MEA has fully explorable planets which previous titles didn't have (ME1 kinda did, but this time it's not just barren emptiness). This is without even talking about the insanely popular multiplayer. Do research/become educated about the topic before posting. You obviously haven't played Mass Effect or haven't played it enough to understand it.

But the ME3 endings....

I kid, of course. At least they were fixed.

Origin · March 2017

BigBragg wrote: »

Well played with the account name @Origin. Another example of companies vying for exclusive access to the wallet.

@BigBragg, I have no relation with EA or BioWare. But thank you for your comment, I had a good laugh.

Wayshuba · March 2017

CasNation wrote: »

And you know what? People are gonna buy it. And since people are gonna buy it, they will keep will making things like it. The only way for them to stop doing this kind if thing is for everyone to stop buying non-content oriented stuff from the crown store. But that won't happen unfortunately. Just look at crown crates. Everyone knows the odds suck, and yet you still see a bunch of people riding around on wild hunt mounts.

Here is where I wonder about price elasticity with the current pricing. Yes, someone may buy it but the question is how many?

Let's say for every one person that buys it at 13,000, thirty people would buy it at 3,000. Digital goods should always be priced to move the most crowns possible. Thirty people at 3,000 would be 90,000 crowns (or about $650 in revenue) versus the one who bought it at $90. As a company, which would you rather have when digital goods have no direct manufacturing cost?

This is one thing in general I think ZOS misses out on with their store. Their pricing is too high for the goods. Look at what GW2 has done with pricing, they keep it down to move as many as possible since it is a fixed cost for production.The idea is too move as many as possible, not price it so high that you move very little.

I keep watching and hoping that ZOS gets a bit better at understanding this pricing elasticity to make the most revenue they can on these items but currently, with all the prices on housing, it appears they have not yet figured that out yet. But, I do have faith in them to learn.

Origin · March 2017

SadieJoan wrote: »

Origin, is that you....?

I feel really strongly about this, probably because I really loved Earthtear Cavern on the pts, and my decision not to buy it (which is difficult, because I really want it!) has nothing to do with not being able to afford it, but more so due to principle.

It kind of reminds me of the Elk mount. I have wanted a deer type mount in this game for a really long time, but that was overpriced, and this cavern (and actually even some of the bigger houses) are ridiculously priced in terms of crowns!

I honestly believe that if they lowered the prices of these, they would make more money, as more people would be inclined to purchase these items... A house in a game, which is purely decorative, should NOT cost more than an entire game, and I don't understand the mentality of anyone who believes that these prices are reasonable for zenimax to charge. They are getting very greedy and the majority of people are surprisingly accepting about that.

Yes, is me. I know how you feel because we discussed this topics several times. And this is also my point. It is ridiculous to have an empty house or a skin more expensive than a full AAA game or a DLC. And we see that even the ESO DLC are cheaper than a skin or a mount not mentioning a house.

Molydeus · March 2017

SadieJoan wrote: »

Origin, is that you....?

I feel really strongly about this, probably because I really loved Earthtear Cavern on the pts, and my decision not to buy it (which is difficult, because I really want it!) has nothing to do with not being able to afford it, but more so due to principle.

It kind of reminds me of the Elk mount. I have wanted a deer type mount in this game for a really long time, but that was overpriced, and this cavern (and actually even some of the bigger houses) are ridiculously priced in terms of crowns!

I honestly believe that if they lowered the prices of these, they would make more money, as more people would be inclined to purchase these items... A house in a game, which is purely decorative, should NOT cost more than an entire game, and I don't understand the mentality of anyone who believes that these prices are reasonable for zenimax to charge. They are getting very greedy and the majority of people are surprisingly accepting about that.

To afford the elk mount, a person only had to be subscribed for 3 months prior to its release, because the monthly crown allotment would have given you 4500 crowns. I think you are underestimating the amount of players who pay for these things with the crowns they get for subscribing.

PS4_ZeColmeia · March 2017

It's high volume & low price vs low volume & high price. I'm sure they'll sort it out based on expectations.

Honestly why is this an issue if missy if you are saying you won't buy it anyways?

AnviOfVai · March 2017

It is ridiculous, and something I am defiantly not contributing too

I will be non existent from the 23rd on wards. Deluxe Alien booty here I come.

MaxwellC · March 2017

@Origin
100% correct, it's completely ludicrous that they're pricing something that is far limited than most games provide for free. Take a look a Runescape, they've got housing down correctly and man this is a browser game that had housing over 10 years ago. You upgrade your house by buying with in-game currency and can establish various achievements all around your house whether it be mounted heads of fallen monsters, armor stands, or mystical shields.

I seriously believe that this is to start deviating from the current B2P model and which they will soon turn it into a F2P model after morrowinds release.

BigBragg · March 2017

Origin wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Well played with the account name @Origin. Another example of companies vying for exclusive access to the wallet.

@BigBragg, I have no relation with EA or BioWare. But thank you for your comment, I had a good laugh.

Didn't think you were, just amused by the irony.

cjthibs · March 2017

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

It is ridiculous, and something I am defiantly not contributing too

I will be non existent from the 23rd on wards. Deluxe Alien booty here I come.

You and me both.

dday3six · March 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

100% correct, it's completely ludicrous that they're pricing something that is far limited than most games provide for free. Take a look a Runescape, they've got housing down correctly and man this is a browser game that had housing over 10 years ago. You upgrade your house by buying with in-game currency and can establish various achievements all around your house whether it be mounted heads of fallen monsters, armor stands, or mystical shields.

I seriously believe that this is to start deviating from the current B2P model and which they will soon turn it into a F2P model after morrowinds release.

I doubt the game will go full F2P. My estimation is that ESO will lean on the cash shop price gouging model of a F2P while at the same time milking the more lump sum gains of continually releasing expansions and bundled editions. ZOS is going to use the fandom of the TES series to profiteer as much as possible.

JackDaniell · March 2017

To be fair 90% of crown store items are just a waste of money an available in game with in game gold. The other 10% is for people with gambling addictions to get preyed on.

In China it's actually required by law for games with a gambling function (crown crates) to show you your percent chance of acquiring each item.

MaxwellC · March 2017

This is how Housing should be in ESO (note this is a browser game)

^My character close up who's lava themed.

Molydeus · March 2017

JackDaniell wrote: »

To be fair 90% of crown store items are just a waste of money an available in game with in game gold. The other 10% is for people with gambling addictions to get preyed on.

In China it's actually required by law for games with a gambling function (crown crates) to show you your percent chance of acquiring each item.

China is such a fine example of governance.

Everyone in China gambles anyway, they just head over to Macau. Macau rakes in more $$$ per year than Las Vegas.

Katahdin · March 2017

People can keep making all the comparisons they want.
It does not matter and it will not matter.
The price is not going to change.
People that want to buy and can buy it are going to buy it.
If its not worth it to you, don't buy it.
Simple