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Earthtear Cavern, come on down! You're the next contestant on the price is...
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »In regards to the disappointment over the lack of title for the Earthtear Cavern when other Notable Homes grant one, we hear you and we're looking into what we can do.
A title for spending money? No, please don't add this. The title might as well be "$$$". Who wants a title like that?2 -
Eleusian✭✭✭I was kinda disappointed in the Cavern. Access to outer perimeter with Craglorn views would have been cool.PS4 NA3 -
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niawrathb16_ESO✭✭✭Perhaps a compromise a title for the Crown store purchased title but the same as the manor titles so it's an either or option. Alternatively create 1 title for all Crown store homes that express in some way that it is a crown store title.
It seems a little unfair if people who prefer the Cavern, who can only get it through a crown store purchase are denied a title, those who purchase any of the other manors with crowns still get the title of Clan Mother etc. After all it is a cosmetic essentially.May you have keen eyes and sharp scythes
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✭I remember pgr3 had an achievement called "buy an achievement". It was in game coin though.0 -
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✭As much as i dont like how expebsive the homes are, i gotta say...gaming is a hobby, and even when considering a say 2000 dollar rig, gaming is a REALLY cheap hobby. You get hours upon hours of entertainment for less than 1000 dollars a year. Which is dirt cheap considering the amount of money spent on other "hobbies" in the world. Like shooting ranges, flipping a vehicle into a racing machine, buying comic books. Gaming is so cheap its stupid...150 dollars even for a house wouldnt be too much to ask for by them.
If eso isbt considered a hobby by you, then dont spend the money. If it is your hobby than do it. Lol asking for cheaper stuff from this company is no defferent than asking for cheaper weapons from a gun store. Dont like the prices dont partake.1 -
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✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »In regards to the disappointment over the lack of title for the Earthtear Cavern when other Notable Homes grant one, we hear you and we're looking into what we can do.
Yes please do this!
It would be nice if each of the top tier houses had one!
And no, it doesn't give any advantage over another player in the game an is a pure costemtic effect.
Should we remove the titles for the seasonal events as well as those are 100% unobtainable at the moment??
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Untidy1✭✭As much as i dont like how expebsive the homes are, i gotta say...gaming is a hobby, and even when considering a say 2000 dollar rig, gaming is a REALLY cheap hobby. You get hours upon hours of entertainment for less than 1000 dollars a year. Which is dirt cheap considering the amount of money spent on other "hobbies" in the world. Like shooting ranges, flipping a vehicle into a racing machine, buying comic books. Gaming is so cheap its stupid...150 dollars even for a house wouldnt be too much to ask for by them.
If eso isbt considered a hobby by you, then dont spend the money. If it is your hobby than do it. Lol asking for cheaper stuff from this company is no defferent than asking for cheaper weapons from a gun store. Dont like the prices dont partake.
That's an odd way to look at it. If they want to assign a price for an asset it should reflect its comparative value. You can currently buy ESO for I think $59.99. They're charging $120 for just one cave in that whole world. It's like selling someone a car for $30,000 and then charging them $60,000 for a cup holder addon. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can think that's OK.Edited by Untidy1 on 10 March 2017 23:175 -
Sweetpea704✭✭✭✭I imagine that this is more of a guild house, so what did you expect it to cost? On the other hand, I saved 1.5 million in game gold and $40 worth of crowns and bought 12 residences. There are a lot of cheaper options. Premium items will have a premium price.
I went more practical than the cave and now I have a free port to everywhere I go.Edited by Sweetpea704 on 10 March 2017 23:400 -
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✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
That sounds good to me!Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
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ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭~ $90 for a virtual house in a video game? Yeah, no thanks.
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✭✭✭They should add crown store variations of titles but say (Crown Store Cheater) at the end of the title so it will differ from the real one2 -
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✭Furnished pixel home where you can only sit and turn off the lights is 105 euros (when you buy the cheapest 3x5500 crown package)! And you call that an "alright" price? Are you insane?
I guess Zenimax really used some nice psychological tactics. Making some real bold prices of most expensive mansions with a preview of "special" houses not currently for sale. So when everyone feared those places would cost 20k or more, ZOS came up with "reasonable" price of 16300 furnished for a pixel cave. So people now happily give 105 euros for imaginary pixel house. Nice work.
In the mean time, Zenimax did nothing to fix a ton of animation and other bugs they introduced with the Homestead patch.
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iNSiPiD1✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »In regards to the disappointment over the lack of title for the Earthtear Cavern when other Notable Homes grant one, we hear you and we're looking into what we can do.
Yes please do this!
It would be nice if each of the top tier houses had one!
And no, it doesn't give any advantage over another player in the game an is a pure costemtic effect.
Should we remove the titles for the seasonal events as well as those are 100% unobtainable at the moment??
That is total fail logic. The seasonal events MEAN something other than, "Hey I dumped money into the game". They represented the fact that you actually PLAYED the game, unlike these ridiculous housing titles.1 -
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✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »£60 -70 for virtual real estate, sounds crazy to me.
but people will spend their money on what they like.
Yeah the price is totally crazy pants and I reckon all the 'people' claiming the price is reasonable are more likely ZO viral marketers.
But I really don't care about the price.
It looks pretty and were it obtainable by other means (eg. gold) maybe I would buy it. But it doesn't enhance or fit any of my characters. The regular homes are a much better fit.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭One area for a house costs much more than the entire base game did.
The value. Not adding up at all.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭I honestly don't think any of the houses are worth that much in actual cash.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭As much as i dont like how expebsive the homes are, i gotta say...gaming is a hobby, and even when considering a say 2000 dollar rig, gaming is a REALLY cheap hobby. You get hours upon hours of entertainment for less than 1000 dollars a year. Which is dirt cheap considering the amount of money spent on other "hobbies" in the world. Like shooting ranges, flipping a vehicle into a racing machine, buying comic books. Gaming is so cheap its stupid...150 dollars even for a house wouldnt be too much to ask for by them.
If eso isbt considered a hobby by you, then dont spend the money. If it is your hobby than do it. Lol asking for cheaper stuff from this company is no defferent than asking for cheaper weapons from a gun store. Dont like the prices dont partake.
That's an odd way to look at it. If they want to assign a price for an asset it should reflect its comparative value. You can currently buy ESO for I think $59.99. They're charging $120 for just one cave in that whole world. It's like selling someone a car for $30,000 and then charging them $60,000 for a cup holder addon. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can think that's OK.
There are lotsa caves folks can go to without spending money inside ESO though quite a few of them have tenants that might object, then respawn and object again. but you could pretend the harborage was your home... just couldnt decorate it or invite friends over or craft in it.
Comparing any house or cavern in housing to the non-housing spaces to reach a size-by-size conclusion about value - well - to put it simply " I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can think that's OK."
Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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✭✭✭One area for a house costs much more than the entire base game did.
The value. Not adding up at all.
So lets see, my TV costs maybe $300.
Should i tell my service provider that i wont pay more for their programming over time than i did for the Tv cuz you know somehow the TV cost is restrictive to the content cost that can be played within it?
Should i not rent PPVs or movies cuz very soon i will have spent more there than the Tv cost?
The comparison between the pricing of the core game and development content to the prices for optional cosmetic additions is flawed at its core.
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✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »In regards to the disappointment over the lack of title for the Earthtear Cavern when other Notable Homes grant one, we hear you and we're looking into what we can do.
Yes please do this!
It would be nice if each of the top tier houses had one!
And no, it doesn't give any advantage over another player in the game an is a pure costemtic effect.
Should we remove the titles for the seasonal events as well as those are 100% unobtainable at the moment??
That is total fail logic. The seasonal events MEAN something other than, "Hey I dumped money into the game". They represented the fact that you actually PLAYED the game, unlike these ridiculous housing titles.
Plenty of people did play the game for their housing titles though. They put in time and effort and made a lot of gold, bought the manors, and were rewarded accordingly with titles.1 -
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✭GrumpyMuffin wrote: »One area for a house costs much more than the entire base game did.
The value. Not adding up at all.
So lets see, my TV costs maybe $300.
Should i tell my service provider that i wont pay more for their programming over time than i did for the Tv cuz you know somehow the TV cost is restrictive to the content cost that can be played within it?
Should i not rent PPVs or movies cuz very soon i will have spent more there than the Tv cost?
The comparison between the pricing of the core game and development content to the prices for optional cosmetic additions is flawed at its core.
Strange comparison. Your TV costs 300, you might pay your provider $50 a month, so after 7 months you have spent more on content than the TV, no argument there. However, the difference is that in those 7 months you have watched hundreds or thousands of shows, and are paying for the development of new content.
In the case of the house, it would be like buying the TV for $300 and then buying a DVD to watch on it for $500. You are paying more than the price of the TV for a single film or show
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✭imnotanother wrote: »I am more shocked with the people thinking that this price is reasonable, than with the price itself.
What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?
Everyone has different perspectives. EX: You just resubbed your ESO+ for 6 months and now have 9,000 crowns. Maybe buying a crown pack for $40 doesn't seem so steep.
EX 2: Last crown sale you bought (2)Large Packs for $50 total - giving you 11K crowns + resubbed for 6 months = 20K crowns.
Different perspectives.
It's not about perspectives. If you change crowns for RL money, the price for such useless digital stuff is far from being reasonable. No matter where you live and how much you earn. Thinking this item is NOT overpriced is nothing but absurd.
And thinking you get crowns from subbing for free is a mistake. You do pay for these crowns. If they were not included, the price for ESO+ would be lower.
Just don't buy it. Be happy with the house you bought with gold.
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✭imnotanother wrote: »I am more shocked with the people thinking that this price is reasonable, than with the price itself.
What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?
Everyone has different perspectives. EX: You just resubbed your ESO+ for 6 months and now have 9,000 crowns. Maybe buying a crown pack for $40 doesn't seem so steep.
EX 2: Last crown sale you bought (2)Large Packs for $50 total - giving you 11K crowns + resubbed for 6 months = 20K crowns.
Different perspectives.
It's not about perspectives. If you change crowns for RL money, the price for such useless digital stuff is far from being reasonable. No matter where you live and how much you earn. Thinking this item is NOT overpriced is nothing but absurd.
And thinking you get crowns from subbing for free is a mistake. You do pay for these crowns. If they were not included, the price for ESO+ would be lower.
No, reasonability is relative. $300 designer jeans are unreasonable to some people, but perfectly reasonable to the rich shoppers who buy them. A $150,000 sportscar is unreasonable to some people, but perfectly reasonable to a wealthy man who collects cars as a hobby. A $3000 gaming computer is unreasonable to some people, but perfectly reasonable to a serious gamer who has money. $120 for a digital house is unreasonable to some people, but perfectly reasonable to someone who has the money for it and wants it.
You apply your own misgivings to everyone who wants this property and has the money for it. If they did buy it, they must have found it reasonable to do so.1 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »RustyBlades wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Definitely overpriced, like all the other houses.
Most of the other houses can be bought with gold, too. So there is that.
Yeah, but for $3 million gold each? Is it not obvious how ZOS is making the base game inconvenient so that the crown store looks more convenient? This seems to be the route that all cash shop MMOs succumb to, eventually.
Sort of, but it's not hard to make 3m gold in this game. I don't play the Guild Store much, am a total casual - only 580CP and have played since beta - and yet before I bought a manor I had 7.5m gold across 3 chars (only 2 of which I actually play). I spent 3m on my manor and am already back to 6m.
Whilst I think it's clear ZOS increasingly like to use the cash shop to gouge the playerbase, I am not convinced the in-game prices for houses are so unattainable they force a cash shop purchase. The game seems to throw gold at you. I mean, since BoP there's not really anything to spend it on, so you just accrue it by the bucket load just through normal daily activity.
My manor is totally devoid of furniture BTW, I put a DPS dummy in there and that's it. Housing is the most boring 'content' this game has had in a long-time, and that includes SotH. I'd recommend anyone gets a small house initially to see if it's for them, because the farming and crafting required is literally like watching paint dry, and I am a master crafter already so have been through quite a slog. If anything, I'd say that's where the cash shop is forced, just to put furniture in the thing once you've bought it. It's quite inconceivable that a 9 trait crafter like myself can't make the most basic household items without farming recipes and special components, and yet I can make some of the near best armour and weapons in the game.
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✭imnotanother wrote: »
Dude. It's 13k crowns unfurnished, it's 16k furnished. That's like $150 for a *** house. That's mental.4 -
Thaumic✭✭✭I think the crown prices are fine, however I don't think that any home or furnishing item (or motifs and assistants for that matter) should be Crown Store exclusive. Even if it's a prohibitively expensive gold cost and/or requires a ludicrous number of achievements to be buyable (perhaps even needing all other homes to be purchased before you can get them, with the Crown Store purchase naturally bypassing the requirements as it usually does). The Store could also be a way of getting them early, making them timed exclusives that will be available in game eventually, maybe as much as 6 months later.
The thing is, in a full price game (even an MMO) I don't believe cash shops should be anything other than a shortcut for people who don't have the time to grind, but do have the disposable income. It avoids the 'haves and have-nots' environment that can put some people off from playing at all (in particular people who have a completionist mentality of 'If I can never get all the content regardless of how long I play, I'd rather invest my time in a game where I can'). This is especially the case with items that are not just cosmetic, and homes are definitely not.
On a somewhat related note I would add that Crown Crates should have an acquirable method in game too. It would have to be an exceptionally rare / difficult acquisition method, ideally from a non-farmable source e.g. from daily quest rewards rather than boss drops and such. Perhaps even a new type of weekly repeatable quest, with drop chance tied to account rather than character to prevent Alt abuse. Even this small addition could, I think, stop a lot of complaining about them. It's not uncommon for non FTP games with gamblo-box type systems to have in game methods of acquisition after all. It can even serve to get people hooked, essentially using the old '1st one's on the house' method. Meaning it may lead to more sales overall, so could even be smart from a business perspective as well as, y'know, just being the right, ethical, consumer friendly thing to do.
These are far from perfect solutions but they are, after all, just off the top of my head. With some thought ZOS should be able to come up with fairer systems that will keep poorer players happy while still making plenty of money to keep this great game running. Here's hoping PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff)0 -
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✭I am more shocked with the people thinking that this price is reasonable, than with the price itself.
What's wrong with you people... with your acceptance on this the prices will be higher and higher. Is there even any limit for you?
Get a job that isn't McDonald's and $100 isn't that muchEdited by notimetocare on 11 March 2017 10:061
