The_Outsider wrote: »

Wump wrote: »

Hey Guys,

right now I'm returning to my StamDK for PvP (played NB for a few months, but I simply cant get the NB going for me). As I dont have a ton of Gold Mats I'm a bit limited in my gear selection. Fortunately I've got my old PvP Set.

Can you guys tell me, if my old set is still any good for pvp (tanky DD for primarily small scale, Imp. City and hopefully Battlegrounds in Morrowind). It's kind of a classical StamDK-Build, I think:

5x Black Rose (all Gold, all gold Stam Enchants, all impen)
3x Agility (purple, robust)
2xBloodspawn (all Gold, all Gold Stam Enchants, Shoulder impen, Head infused)
Random 2Hander (gold, sharpened, Gold weapon dmg glyph)
1H/Shield (Knights Errant, both Gold, Gold wpn dmg/Gold Stam Enchant)

1h/Shield Bar für Buffs and for going defensive: Reverb. Bash, Shuffle, Vola. Armor, Igneous, Vigor (Ulti: Spell Wall/Corrosive Armor)
2Hand Bar: Crit Rush, Dizzy Swing, Reverse Slice, Fossilize, Rally (Ulti: Dawnbreaker/Take Flight)

Bit unsure because Black Rose got (a bit) nerfed, but I dont expect that to be too serious. Agility still good? As may Play Time is a bit limited I'm not too enthusiastic in grinding a new Set

tldr: Does this SetUp still work?

Thank you all guys!

I'm also running my old PVP build on my stam NB-- 5 BR, 3 AGI, 2 Selene, Maelstrom weaps. I played it all day yesterday for the first time since update and it feels weaker, but still viable. Gankers still fall before me like wheat before a scythe. Selene's and Mael weaps are giving me a bit of extra damage that you wouldn't have with your setup, but, I think yours will still work.

Semi-related note: I'm dropping vamp on my NB lol. Such Magicka DK, very fire damage. T.T

edit: for you, the 4 pc bonus being Magicka isn't a big deal really, cause now you got more Igneous Shield = more stam, so...

Yeah, but there's almost no damage running 2 BS in this setup. Selene's hits like a truck and you have viable damage outside of dizzying swing.

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Lexxypwns i gotta disagree with your statement about Grothdarr being completely worthless (however the fact that crit nerf has received such a reaction makes me very happy)

Even at 800 dps that's 4000 damage total for free in PvP. Now not all builds will be able to just slap it on and be successful (like all proc sets before) but a few can have it be successful.

Again this doesn't play into the fotm pure burst damage builds, but can still be very effective.

Its only 4k damage if you can keep them in the range and even then, that's 1 GCD worth of damage. And while its "free" there is indeed the opportunity cost of running a more effective monster 2pc. On non-nb damage spec you'd want slimecraw over groth, the extra burst on your heavy hitters(even in a relatively low damage build) is much more valuable than very slight pressure. On NB damage builds, kena makes more sense, siphoning attacks allows you to mitigate the sustain issues, skoria is much better.

If you're running a tanky build, you'd be much more efficient to build troll king/bloodspawn/pirate into your build and then get that middling damage from groth elsewhere.

I'm not saying you can't make it work, I'm saying its an extremely bad set and using it at this point is intentionally gimping yourself.

Valencer wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You won't kill anyone who isn't brain dead in this setup.

Dizzy swing as primary DPS is pretty bad on a really low damage build like this. Furthermore, you literally have no DoTs so this build is basically completely non-threatening

But if you just wanna stay alive while you Xv1 people then it'll be ok

The setup in question gives you about 38k max stamina (40k on sword and shield bar, if using a 2 pc max stam bonus) and 3600 weapon damage fully buffed (with maelstrom 2H). The stats arent bad at all.

1. there's no malestrom weapon here
2. that's not enough damage to kill people with only dizzying swing and no DoTs anyway, if you're at full health you probably don't even need to break the CC 1v1

@Wump

Right now, you can probably do much better by switching your bars around, using snb as your offensive bar with heroic slash/ransack as your spammable. I'd drop fossilize and dizzying swing for some combination of Venemous Claw, Noxious Breath, and Rearming trap. Don't take noxious if you choose to run ransack though as its the same debuff.

As a stam DK you want to keep pressure up with your DoTs+reverb and use leap for your burst to set-up your execute(or as your execute against squishies)

After that, I'd work on getting 5pc Hulking Draugr for snb bar, it functions as a damage set and a sustain set for stam DK, since max stam means more resource return from helping hands. As for 2pc sets, Bloodspawn is great, Slimecraw and Selene are also very nice for stam DK imo.