Bloodspawn/Agility/BRose still viable?

Wump

Hey Guys,

right now I'm returning to my StamDK for PvP (played NB for a few months, but I simply cant get the NB going for me). As I dont have a ton of Gold Mats I'm a bit limited in my gear selection. Fortunately I've got my old PvP Set.

Can you guys tell me, if my old set is still any good for pvp (tanky DD for primarily small scale, Imp. City and hopefully Battlegrounds in Morrowind). It's kind of a classical StamDK-Build, I think:

5x Black Rose (all Gold, all gold Stam Enchants, all impen)
3x Agility (purple, robust)
2xBloodspawn (all Gold, all Gold Stam Enchants, Shoulder impen, Head infused)
Random 2Hander (gold, sharpened, Gold weapon dmg glyph)
1H/Shield (Knights Errant, both Gold, Gold wpn dmg/Gold Stam Enchant)

1h/Shield Bar für Buffs and for going defensive: Reverb. Bash, Shuffle, Vola. Armor, Igneous, Vigor (Ulti: Spell Wall/Corrosive Armor)
2Hand Bar: Crit Rush, Dizzy Swing, Reverse Slice, Fossilize, Rally (Ulti: Dawnbreaker/Take Flight)

Bit unsure because Black Rose got (a bit) nerfed, but I dont expect that to be too serious. Agility still good? As may Play Time is a bit limited I'm not too enthusiastic in grinding a new Set

tldr: Does this SetUp still work?

Thank you all guys!

Rohaus

Why not PvP with it and see for yourself?

Side note: Black Rose was nerfed... one of the bonsues used to be stamina and now it is magicka. Also, the bonus stam and mag return is now 35%... used to be 40%.

Wump

I'm looking for a slightly more constructive answer, thank you nonetheless.

Of course I'm going to see for myself. As I mentioned that I right now dont have much time to play game (busy with job and family) I just wanted to hear some opinions of experienced pvp players - thats what forums are made for.

So maybe there are a few more opinions on the viability of the mentioned gear set up? The Black Rose/Blood Spawn/Agility Stam DK was kind of a classical build I think - will this old school set up still be competitive or should I grind a new gear?

Best,

Wump

iseko

Not gonna be best. But will still work I think.

I think a rather standard stam dk build now is bloodspawn, fury and werewolfs hide.

Good dmg, good sustain, good survivability.

Valencer

With that setup youll have good stats fully buffed. Despite that, you'll probably have trouble killing some tanky people (read: anyone wearing heavy too) because youre not using proc sets like selene to boost your burst a little bit.

Lexxypwns

You won't kill anyone who isn't brain dead in this setup.

Dizzy swing as primary DPS is pretty bad on a really low damage build like this. Furthermore, you literally have no DoTs so this build is basically completely non-threatening

But if you just wanna stay alive while you Xv1 people then it'll be ok

vamp_emily

I'm no god mode theorycrafting empress, but you know what really sounds smexy?

Black Rose/Grothdarr/Agility Stam DK

Lexxypwns

vamp_emily wrote: »

I'm no god mode theorycrafting crafting empress, but you know what really sounds smexy?

Black Rose/Grothdarr/Agility Stam DK

Groth ticks for like 800 damage in pvp, its dead now

vamp_emily

Lexxypwns wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I'm no god mode theorycrafting crafting empress, but you know what really sounds smexy?

Black Rose/Grothdarr/Agility Stam DK

Groth ticks for like 800 damage in pvp, its dead now

I've never used it in PvP just started melting things in PvE with Groth. However, I was in TF last night and someone killed us all and it looked like Groth did it. 12 people dropped like dead flies.

Lexxypwns

vamp_emily wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I'm no god mode theorycrafting crafting empress, but you know what really sounds smexy?

Black Rose/Grothdarr/Agility Stam DK

Groth ticks for like 800 damage in pvp, its dead now

I've never used it in PvP just started melting things in PvE with Groth. However, I was in TF last night and someone killed us all and it looked like Groth did it. 12 people dropped like dead flies.

Nah, that wasn't Groth'dar, that was eye of flame+det most likely. Groth is 100% not worth wearing, even for bombers, this patch.

Jjitsuboy98

Try two Selenes. 5 Blackrose/Reactive and 5 Viper. I rarely ever lose in a duel with this setup and have amazing burst . I'm also using take flight instead of dawnbreaker now.

kadar

Wump wrote: »

Hey Guys,

right now I'm returning to my StamDK for PvP (played NB for a few months, but I simply cant get the NB going for me). As I dont have a ton of Gold Mats I'm a bit limited in my gear selection. Fortunately I've got my old PvP Set.

Can you guys tell me, if my old set is still any good for pvp (tanky DD for primarily small scale, Imp. City and hopefully Battlegrounds in Morrowind). It's kind of a classical StamDK-Build, I think:

5x Black Rose (all Gold, all gold Stam Enchants, all impen)
3x Agility (purple, robust)
2xBloodspawn (all Gold, all Gold Stam Enchants, Shoulder impen, Head infused)
Random 2Hander (gold, sharpened, Gold weapon dmg glyph)
1H/Shield (Knights Errant, both Gold, Gold wpn dmg/Gold Stam Enchant)

1h/Shield Bar für Buffs and for going defensive: Reverb. Bash, Shuffle, Vola. Armor, Igneous, Vigor (Ulti: Spell Wall/Corrosive Armor)
2Hand Bar: Crit Rush, Dizzy Swing, Reverse Slice, Fossilize, Rally (Ulti: Dawnbreaker/Take Flight)

Bit unsure because Black Rose got (a bit) nerfed, but I dont expect that to be too serious. Agility still good? As may Play Time is a bit limited I'm not too enthusiastic in grinding a new Set

tldr: Does this SetUp still work?

Thank you all guys!

I'm also running my old PVP build on my stam NB-- 5 BR, 3 AGI, 2 Selene, Maelstrom weaps. I played it all day yesterday for the first time since update and it feels weaker, but still viable. Gankers still fall before me like wheat before a scythe. Selene's and Mael weaps are giving me a bit of extra damage that you wouldn't have with your setup, but, I think yours will still work.

Semi-related note: I'm dropping vamp on my NB lol. Such Magicka DK, very fire damage. T.T

edit: for you, the 4 pc bonus being Magicka isn't a big deal really, cause now you got more Igneous Shield = more stam, so...

Lexxypwns

The_Outsider wrote: »

Wump wrote: »

Hey Guys,

right now I'm returning to my StamDK for PvP (played NB for a few months, but I simply cant get the NB going for me). As I dont have a ton of Gold Mats I'm a bit limited in my gear selection. Fortunately I've got my old PvP Set.

Can you guys tell me, if my old set is still any good for pvp (tanky DD for primarily small scale, Imp. City and hopefully Battlegrounds in Morrowind). It's kind of a classical StamDK-Build, I think:

5x Black Rose (all Gold, all gold Stam Enchants, all impen)
3x Agility (purple, robust)
2xBloodspawn (all Gold, all Gold Stam Enchants, Shoulder impen, Head infused)
Random 2Hander (gold, sharpened, Gold weapon dmg glyph)
1H/Shield (Knights Errant, both Gold, Gold wpn dmg/Gold Stam Enchant)

1h/Shield Bar für Buffs and for going defensive: Reverb. Bash, Shuffle, Vola. Armor, Igneous, Vigor (Ulti: Spell Wall/Corrosive Armor)
2Hand Bar: Crit Rush, Dizzy Swing, Reverse Slice, Fossilize, Rally (Ulti: Dawnbreaker/Take Flight)

Bit unsure because Black Rose got (a bit) nerfed, but I dont expect that to be too serious. Agility still good? As may Play Time is a bit limited I'm not too enthusiastic in grinding a new Set

tldr: Does this SetUp still work?

Thank you all guys!

I'm also running my old PVP build on my stam NB-- 5 BR, 3 AGI, 2 Selene, Maelstrom weaps. I played it all day yesterday for the first time since update and it feels weaker, but still viable. Gankers still fall before me like wheat before a scythe. Selene's and Mael weaps are giving me a bit of extra damage that you wouldn't have with your setup, but, I think yours will still work.

Semi-related note: I'm dropping vamp on my NB lol. Such Magicka DK, very fire damage. T.T

edit: for you, the 4 pc bonus being Magicka isn't a big deal really, cause now you got more Igneous Shield = more stam, so...

Yeah, but there's almost no damage running 2 BS in this setup. Selene's hits like a truck and you have viable damage outside of dizzying swing.

Toc de Malsvi

Grothdar's value in PVP isn 't for damage, its for the free CC you get on players with less than stellar connections. Every time it proc's they basically freeze for a second to two.

Valencer

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You won't kill anyone who isn't brain dead in this setup.

Dizzy swing as primary DPS is pretty bad on a really low damage build like this. Furthermore, you literally have no DoTs so this build is basically completely non-threatening

But if you just wanna stay alive while you Xv1 people then it'll be ok

The setup in question gives you about 38k max stamina (40k on sword and shield bar, if using a 2 pc max stam bonus) and 3600 weapon damage fully buffed (with maelstrom 2H). The stats arent bad at all.

Waffennacht

@Lexxypwns i gotta disagree with your statement about Grothdarr being completely worthless (however the fact that crit nerf has received such a reaction makes me very happy)

Even at 800 dps that's 4000 damage total for free in PvP. Now not all builds will be able to just slap it on and be successful (like all proc sets before) but a few can have it be successful.

Again this doesn't play into the fotm pure burst damage builds, but can still be very effective.

Lexxypwns

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Lexxypwns i gotta disagree with your statement about Grothdarr being completely worthless (however the fact that crit nerf has received such a reaction makes me very happy)

Even at 800 dps that's 4000 damage total for free in PvP. Now not all builds will be able to just slap it on and be successful (like all proc sets before) but a few can have it be successful.

Again this doesn't play into the fotm pure burst damage builds, but can still be very effective.

Its only 4k damage if you can keep them in the range and even then, that's 1 GCD worth of damage. And while its "free" there is indeed the opportunity cost of running a more effective monster 2pc. On non-nb damage spec you'd want slimecraw over groth, the extra burst on your heavy hitters(even in a relatively low damage build) is much more valuable than very slight pressure. On NB damage builds, kena makes more sense, siphoning attacks allows you to mitigate the sustain issues, skoria is much better.

If you're running a tanky build, you'd be much more efficient to build troll king/bloodspawn/pirate into your build and then get that middling damage from groth elsewhere.

I'm not saying you can't make it work, I'm saying its an extremely bad set and using it at this point is intentionally gimping yourself.

Valencer wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You won't kill anyone who isn't brain dead in this setup.

Dizzy swing as primary DPS is pretty bad on a really low damage build like this. Furthermore, you literally have no DoTs so this build is basically completely non-threatening

But if you just wanna stay alive while you Xv1 people then it'll be ok

The setup in question gives you about 38k max stamina (40k on sword and shield bar, if using a 2 pc max stam bonus) and 3600 weapon damage fully buffed (with maelstrom 2H). The stats arent bad at all.

1. there's no malestrom weapon here
2. that's not enough damage to kill people with only dizzying swing and no DoTs anyway, if you're at full health you probably don't even need to break the CC 1v1

@Wump

Right now, you can probably do much better by switching your bars around, using snb as your offensive bar with heroic slash/ransack as your spammable. I'd drop fossilize and dizzying swing for some combination of Venemous Claw, Noxious Breath, and Rearming trap. Don't take noxious if you choose to run ransack though as its the same debuff.

As a stam DK you want to keep pressure up with your DoTs+reverb and use leap for your burst to set-up your execute(or as your execute against squishies)

After that, I'd work on getting 5pc Hulking Draugr for snb bar, it functions as a damage set and a sustain set for stam DK, since max stam means more resource return from helping hands. As for 2pc sets, Bloodspawn is great, Slimecraw and Selene are also very nice for stam DK imo.

Nellzer

Use fury instead of black rose, not hard to get the set.

Lexxy, with fury instead of BR, it's pretty easy to burst people down with full fury stacks + dawnbreaker, more reliable than Selene. And with blood spawn you have dawnbraker up like every 20 seconds while 1vXing.

Wump

Thank you all for your input.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Wump

Right now, you can probably do much better by switching your bars around, using snb as your offensive bar with heroic slash/ransack as your spammable. I'd drop fossilize and dizzying swing for some combination of Venemous Claw, Noxious Breath, and Rearming trap. Don't take noxious if you choose to run ransack though as its the same debuff.

As a stam DK you want to keep pressure up with your DoTs+reverb and use leap for your burst to set-up your execute(or as your execute against squishies)

After that, I'd work on getting 5pc Hulking Draugr for snb bar, it functions as a damage set and a sustain set for stam DK, since max stam means more resource return from helping hands. As for 2pc sets, Bloodspawn is great, Slimecraw and Selene are also very nice for stam DK imo.

This sounds good, thank you. I already played a while with 5Black Rose/5Knights Errant/2Tremor (2Selene). The idea was to be offensive with SnB: debuff/snare with ransack, debuff with reverb bash and finish with tremorscale proccs. works ok. Sometimes still lacking a bit of burst to finish shield stackers. Maybe i give it a try with a dot and a (tremor-procc-)burst bar.

The above mentioned bar should give me more burst than the BSpawn/Rose/Agility Set up I think.