Free stun from crouch attacks

josh.lackey_ESO · February 2017

Crouch attacks do not need a free stun. Crouch attacks with a bow from 40m away especially do not need a free stun. It's fine for PvE, but it shouldn't work on players, just like Teleport Strike doesn't stun players. I am so tired of getting "Slam Stun" because some dude on a wall or up on rock somewhere shot me with a bow. I don't get a free stun with a staff attack from crouch, I am not sure why bow gets this. I can understand a bit more if it's limited to melee range attacks. But not from a bow. With melee attacks, not only do you risk detection (allowing some counterplay, since there are ways to increase your detection radius), but there is also a stamina cost for moving in stealth which at least makes the stun cost a little stam. With a bow, you can just crouch then shoot. In fact, it makes sense to always crouch then shoot. In fact, I am sure most knowledgeable players do exactly that, which is why I get the slam stun so frequently from some guy a half mile away.

And yes, I know radiant magelight prevents the stun. But it also only has a range of 12m, which would be a reasonable limit for the free crouch stuns.

Narvuntien · February 2017

ah but didn't you know that bow builds aren't viable.....:P

Aztlan · February 2017

Nonsense. It's good that bow users have some advantages.

Dracindo · February 2017

I only use a bow because it's better for my stamina based character. But if they lose the stun when in stealth, I will reroll him into a magicka character too.

thankyourat · February 2017

I think both the bow and melee attack stun should go. It shouldn't even be a thing it already has increased damage because it was used from stealth why does it need a stun too

Xeniph · February 2017

Why is this even an issue for you? Just break free.

Also note that if the sneak stun were to be removed, everyone would move to stunning with Surprise Attack. Nothing would change.

Generally speaking it makes perfect sense for a stun to come from a sneak attack, as it would surely disorient you to receive a large spike of damage out of nowhere. You literally just got sucker punched.

*Edit- Also, all weapons use to stun from stealth but in 1.6 when they separated weapon types from stamina/magicka, Magicka abilities and weapons lost the ability to sneak attack. Before that you could sneak attack with say, whip or concealed weapon.

BuggeX · February 2017

Xeniph wrote: »

Why is this even an issue for you? Just break free.

Also note that if the sneak stun were to be removed, everyone would move to stunning with Surprise Attack. Nothing would change.

Generally speaking it makes perfect sense for a stun to come from a sneak attack, as it would surely disorient you to receive a large spike of damage out of nowhere. You literally just got sucker punched.

*Edit- Also, all weapons use to stun from stealth but in 1.6 when they separated weapon types from stamina/magicka, Magicka abilities and weapons lost the ability to sneak attack. Before that you could sneak attack with say, whip or concealed weapon.

just brake free he said, if a decent nb is hitting you out of stealth you wont just brake free

Toc de Malsvi · February 2017

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Crouch attacks do not need a free stun. Crouch attacks with a bow from 40m away especially do not need a free stun. It's fine for PvE, but it shouldn't work on players, just like Teleport Strike doesn't stun players. I am so tired of getting "Slam Stun" because some dude on a wall or up on rock somewhere shot me with a bow. I don't get a free stun with a staff attack from crouch, I am not sure why bow gets this. I can understand a bit more if it's limited to melee range attacks. But not from a bow. With melee attacks, not only do you risk detection (allowing some counterplay, since there are ways to increase your detection radius), but there is also a stamina cost for moving in stealth which at least makes the stun cost a little stam. With a bow, you can just crouch then shoot. In fact, it makes sense to always crouch then shoot. In fact, I am sure most knowledgeable players do exactly that, which is why I get the slam stun so frequently from some guy a half mile away.

And yes, I know radiant magelight prevents the stun. But it also only has a range of 12m, which would be a reasonable limit for the free crouch stuns.

The range on Magelight has nothing to do with the stun prevention. The range is only for detection purposes.

thankyourat · February 2017

Xeniph wrote: »

Why is this even an issue for you? Just break free.

Also note that if the sneak stun were to be removed, everyone would move to stunning with Surprise Attack. Nothing would change.

Generally speaking it makes perfect sense for a stun to come from a sneak attack, as it would surely disorient you to receive a large spike of damage out of nowhere. You literally just got sucker punched.

*Edit- Also, all weapons use to stun from stealth but in 1.6 when they separated weapon types from stamina/magicka, Magicka abilities and weapons lost the ability to sneak attack. Before that you could sneak attack with say, whip or concealed weapon.

The thing is why is this even in the game you already have the advantage of opening up from stealth and increase damage from being in stealth why no you need a stun also?

Laggus · February 2017

To give time to charge up the next ranged attack. As others have said here break free. Also shouldn't be comparing bow attacks to other weapon types. They are different there's no mystery.

WhiteMage · February 2017

Among the many laws of nature is included this one: There is always another AD stamblade nearby. Odds are, though, they are in stealth, and it is a HUGE pita when fighting outnumbered to have a random walk into the area and shoot a poison arrow and get stunned from that. If there is enough of them you get CCed on CD, and not because your opponents are playing intelligently, but because there is always one more AD stamblade in stealth with a bow, ready to bombard you with poison arrows and light attacks.

Xeniph · February 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Why is this even an issue for you? Just break free.

Also note that if the sneak stun were to be removed, everyone would move to stunning with Surprise Attack. Nothing would change.

Generally speaking it makes perfect sense for a stun to come from a sneak attack, as it would surely disorient you to receive a large spike of damage out of nowhere. You literally just got sucker punched.

*Edit- Also, all weapons use to stun from stealth but in 1.6 when they separated weapon types from stamina/magicka, Magicka abilities and weapons lost the ability to sneak attack. Before that you could sneak attack with say, whip or concealed weapon.

just brake free he said, if a decent nb is hitting you out of stealth you wont just brake free

Exactly my point-

As a decent NB, I would be ALL for getting rid of this stun. It would allow me WAY more control over the fight and I could apply fear strategically so that practically no one could heal through even a poor gank.

This stun is basically like the Free CC immunity given by Total Dark. Without it a gank would be so much more dangerous, trust me. Heck, there are even builds out there that use Wrecking Blow and forgo the stun in favor of the knock back.

So by all means get rid of it and allow me the ability to actually TIME my CC's in the first few seconds of a gank.

Vizier · February 2017

LOL AS IF Bow NB needs another nerf in PvP. Gawd.

NoFlash · February 2017

The issue isn't the stun, it's when that bowtard targets you while you're preoccupied with other players or have siege fire on you.

xboxNA corin6 · February 2017

EvoAZN wrote: »

The issue isn't the stun, it's when that bowtard targets you while you're preoccupied with other players or have siege fire on you.

Tf? So they another player shouldn't be threatning when attacking you?

SodanTok · February 2017

Thread: People dying to stuff looking for ways to stop doing that

josh.lackey_ESO · February 2017

Laggus wrote: »

To give time to charge up the next ranged attack. As others have said here break free. Also shouldn't be comparing bow attacks to other weapon types. They are different there's no mystery.

Lagguss you run a broken cancerous heavy bow attack build. Why don't you give fighting people a go, mate? It's fun to actually PvP in this game, instead of your standard operating procedure of running away from the people trying to PvP if you don't get your free kill on them from your stealth combo.

If you need to stun someone, your Stonefist has got a 36m range now, use that. But you have to use a global cooldown and blow some magicka, and couldn't be winding up your next snipe. Which is the point. It might give someone enough response time to have an actual fight with you, though I guess that's probably what you are afraid of.

Toc de Malsvi · February 2017

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

EvoAZN wrote: »

The issue isn't the stun, it's when that bowtard targets you while you're preoccupied with other players or have siege fire on you.

Tf? So they another player shouldn't be threatning when attacking you?

Dude all players should patiently wait their turn before engaging. lol

EvoAZN wrote: »

The issue isn't the stun, it's when that bowtard targets you while you're preoccupied with other players or have siege fire on you.

Naw the issue is with stafftards that ball up and think that it should give them immunity to anyone not in a stafftard ball.

Toc de Malsvi · February 2017

For all those so concerned with fighting Mano E Mano, and having no surprises. Might I suggest:

http://s1.boxingduel.com/

You can just line up and duke it out, and you don't have to worry about gankers, or ball groups, or seige or anything that might disturb your narrow view of combat.

Curtdogg47 · February 2017

I think all stuns, fear, and cc's should go in PVP. They gimp us from becoming more skilled players.

josh.lackey_ESO · February 2017

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

I think all stuns, fear, and cc's should go in PVP. They gimp us from becoming more skilled players.

I don't agree with that. If you want to make some extreme unrealistic suggestion, I would say remove stealth from PvP, that solves the problem better.

Mayrael · February 2017

Remove all skills, bare fist fights are the only honorable way of fighting! Fist zergs!