Attack canceling (aka ALL MY RAGE!)

MikanPachi · February 2017

Seriously why is this allowed and since it is allowed how do you do it? I was with a group in Imperial city and it was just 3 of us and we were capturing the final district for AD when this Pact jerk appears out of nowhere and is wailing his strong attacks like he's sonic the hedghog on a caffine trip. I know he was attack canceling cuz my 1st week in game people warned me that i'd eventually encounter it. this guy was basicly attacking 5 times before i could even fire one light attack from my bow. to add insult to injury after I lost all my points i had gathered, the guy starts teabagging me and my group. i should note he also was teabagging faster than what should be possible. Since it seems this isn't something that will be patched out, HOW do I pull this off myself so I can stand a chance in pvp?

FriedEggSandwich · February 2017

PC or console?

leepalmer95 · February 2017

MikanPachi wrote: »

Seriously why is this allowed and since it is allowed how do you do it? I was with a group in Imperial city and it was just 3 of us and we were capturing the final district for AD when this Pact jerk appears out of nowhere and is wailing his strong attacks like he's sonic the hedghog on a caffine trip. I know he was attack canceling cuz my 1st week in game people warned me that i'd eventually encounter it. this guy was basicly attacking 5 times before i could even fire one light attack from my bow. to add insult to injury after I lost all my points i had gathered, the guy starts teabagging me and my group. i should note he also was teabagging faster than what should be possible. Since it seems this isn't something that will be patched out, HOW do I pull this off myself so I can stand a chance in pvp?

MikanPachi · February 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

MikanPachi wrote: »

Seriously why is this allowed and since it is allowed how do you do it? I was with a group in Imperial city and it was just 3 of us and we were capturing the final district for AD when this Pact jerk appears out of nowhere and is wailing his strong attacks like he's sonic the hedghog on a caffine trip. I know he was attack canceling cuz my 1st week in game people warned me that i'd eventually encounter it. this guy was basicly attacking 5 times before i could even fire one light attack from my bow. to add insult to injury after I lost all my points i had gathered, the guy starts teabagging me and my group. i should note he also was teabagging faster than what should be possible. Since it seems this isn't something that will be patched out, HOW do I pull this off myself so I can stand a chance in pvp?

ok let me rephrase the part you highlighted....he was using the crouch button way faster than should be humanly possible in ESO.

leepalmer95 · February 2017

MikanPachi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

MikanPachi wrote: »

Seriously why is this allowed and since it is allowed how do you do it? I was with a group in Imperial city and it was just 3 of us and we were capturing the final district for AD when this Pact jerk appears out of nowhere and is wailing his strong attacks like he's sonic the hedghog on a caffine trip. I know he was attack canceling cuz my 1st week in game people warned me that i'd eventually encounter it. this guy was basicly attacking 5 times before i could even fire one light attack from my bow. to add insult to injury after I lost all my points i had gathered, the guy starts teabagging me and my group. i should note he also was teabagging faster than what should be possible. Since it seems this isn't something that will be patched out, HOW do I pull this off myself so I can stand a chance in pvp?

ok let me rephrase the part you highlighted....he was using the crouch button way faster than should be humanly possible in ESO.

So he's hacking his crouching skills?

worsttankever · February 2017

Doesn't sound like attack cancelling to me. "Animation canceling" (what I assume you mean) works on a global cooldown - so he couldn't, for instance, do 5 attacks before you finished a light attack. He'd be able to complete a light attack, skill, bash and ultimate at most.

Olen_Mikko · February 2017

Sounds to me that you just encountered highly skilled roamer, who is build to kill small groups.

Next time, wear heavy armor + impenetrable traits, slot some defensive skills and be always on your toes.

Sewer is a nasty place.

Qbiken · February 2017

Animation canceling (AC) is allowed. The devs have confirmed it. Notice that it´s not the same thing as macroing.

The_Protagonist · February 2017

MikanPachi wrote: »

Seriously why is this allowed and since it is allowed how do you do it? I was with a group in Imperial city and it was just 3 of us and we were capturing the final district for AD when this Pact jerk appears out of nowhere and is wailing his strong attacks like he's sonic the hedghog on a caffine trip. I know he was attack canceling cuz my 1st week in game people warned me that i'd eventually encounter it. this guy was basicly attacking 5 times before i could even fire one light attack from my bow. to add insult to injury after I lost all my points i had gathered, the guy starts teabagging me and my group. i should note he also was teabagging faster than what should be possible. Since it seems this isn't something that will be patched out, HOW do I pull this off myself so I can stand a chance in pvp?

LAG, and yes also BOW

Derra · February 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

Animation canceling (AC) is allowed. The devs have confirmed it. Notice that it´s not the same thing as macroing.

Macroing does not give you any advantage in eso´s combat though. Also it does not allow you to execute skills faster than "normal".

The problem is moreso animation and with it casttimeskipping.
When you charge a heavyattack alongside your crystal fragments/dizzing swing - that is not animationcanceling. You´re executing two casttime ability at the same time. That´s a glitch in the animation system and not working as intended.

PandaIsAPotato · February 2017

Animation Canceling + Lag = Getting Hit By Half A Dozen Or More Attacks Instantly

Welcome to ESO, please enjoy your stay.

No there's nothing you can do about it, the game runs on Hamsters and their wheel, when they get tired it hiccups, when it hiccups you get this. I think Fengrush has a fancy name for it, but basically there's nothing you can do about it, just accept it and move on. They aren't hacking or using macros, even though macros don't do anything in this game, the servers are just potatoes and cause hiccups which makes everything land at once and one shot you.

kuro-dono · February 2017

friend of mine was trying to teach me how to do weapon bar cancelling. i tried for 15min, had my fingers go sore. so. what i tried next? put into my blackwidow keyboard on slot number 1 skill + weapon swap. worked everytime. and way faster + reliably, the nonsense about macros not helping is bit meh. but yeah most animation cancellers seems like coffeine or drug addicts who spam buttons like its the end of the world.

Minalan · February 2017

Derra wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Animation canceling (AC) is allowed. The devs have confirmed it. Notice that it´s not the same thing as macroing.

Macroing does not give you any advantage in eso´s combat though. Also it does not allow you to execute skills faster than "normal".

The problem is moreso animation and with it casttimeskipping.
When you charge a heavyattack alongside your crystal fragments/dizzing swing - that is not animationcanceling. You´re executing two casttime ability at the same time. That´s a glitch in the animation system and not working as intended.

Actually it does, with macros you can get perfect animation cancelling. Without human error.

This guy probably just ran into his first animation cancelled heavy attack/crit rush/ransack/tremocscale/viper/ravage health combo. Three attacks, two or three proc sets, one poison, so much stupid.

Welcome to one stamriel.

Paraflex · February 2017

Lol so a newbie group got rolled by a knowledgeable PvP player player and your crying about it asking how he did it. I love the story you posted...lol

SHADOW2KK · February 2017

MikanPachi wrote: »

Seriously why is this allowed and since it is allowed how do you do it? I was with a group in Imperial city and it was just 3 of us and we were capturing the final district for AD when this Pact jerk appears out of nowhere and is wailing his strong attacks like he's sonic the hedghog on a caffine trip. I know he was attack canceling cuz my 1st week in game people warned me that i'd eventually encounter it. this guy was basicly attacking 5 times before i could even fire one light attack from my bow. to add insult to injury after I lost all my points i had gathered, the guy starts teabagging me and my group. i should note he also was teabagging faster than what should be possible. Since it seems this isn't something that will be patched out, HOW do I pull this off myself so I can stand a chance in pvp?

L2P, do not be in IC if you do not have the skills to survive there, it is not a place for the weak

Gilvoth · February 2017

worsttankever wrote: »

5 attacks before you finished a light attack. He'd be able to complete a light attack, skill, bash and ultimate

that is what people are doing, and they have been for a few years in eso and calling it "anamation canceling.
you and others say its imposible, yet it is happening!

josh.lackey_ESO · February 2017

IC was designed exactly so jerks with latent sociopathic tendencies could farm people like you, who naively think they're entitled to a worthwhile gameplay experience for purchasing a product. Well, you got suckered. IC is garbage and you should ask for a refund.

bronski · February 2017

kuro-dono wrote: »

friend of mine was trying to teach me how to do weapon bar cancelling. i tried for 15min, had my fingers go sore. so. what i tried next? put into my blackwidow keyboard on slot number 1 skill + weapon swap. worked everytime. and way faster + reliably, the nonsense about macros not helping is bit meh. but yeah most animation cancellers seems like coffeine or drug addicts who spam buttons like its the end of the world.

to animation cancel a skill with bar swap you literally only have to press your weapon swap right before the animation of your skill finishes aka press two buttons in a row. its not exactly some voodoo magic that you need to macro so you fingers dont go sore

Cadbury · February 2017

I'm curious about the turbo teabag method mentioned in the OP...

iseko · February 2017

Several different ways to do it.

Light attack, skill attack, bash (if ure on pc put it on spacebar or something), ulti. How this works is that skill has priority over light attack. And bash has priority over everything.

When combine this with skills from bow/staff which have a time of flight. You can land 5 attacks at the same time. Combined with procs... Instagibbed.

You can also do light attack, skill, bar swap, skill. Whatever is your preference.

Doing heavy attack while gap closing is technically not animation cancelling.

Correct me if any of this is wrong since im typing this quickly on phone.

Izaki · February 2017

Derra wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Animation canceling (AC) is allowed. The devs have confirmed it. Notice that it´s not the same thing as macroing.

Macroing does not give you any advantage in eso´s combat though. Also it does not allow you to execute skills faster than "normal".

The problem is moreso animation and with it casttimeskipping.
When you charge a heavyattack alongside your crystal fragments/dizzing swing - that is not animationcanceling. You´re executing two casttime ability at the same time. That´s a glitch in the animation system and not working as intended.

They fixed Dizzying Swing though, you can't do it anymore. At least, I can't do it anymore. I don't think you can do snipe+heavy either. maybe its only been patched on console (what are the odds lol)

Izaki · February 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

worsttankever wrote: »

5 attacks before you finished a light attack. He'd be able to complete a light attack, skill, bash and ultimate

that is what people are doing, and they have been for a few years in eso and calling it "anamation canceling.
you and others say its imposible, yet it is happening!

Animation canceling allows you to overlap globals, not reduce globals. Basically you're overlapping the light attack global, the skill global and the bash global. Its the most common animation cancel and its pretty easy to do. If the player is smart, he'll also use projectile travel times to his advantage. But frankly, its very hard to get more than 4 things to hit you at the same time on a stamina build unless proc sets are involved (bow/staff attack from close range, bar swap, light attack, skill, bash).

Yet there are other ways to pull of multiple attacks at the exact same time without even animation canceling, especially playing around with projectile travel times. The usual gank combo: fully charged bow heavy/Snipe + Ambush + Incap + Killer's Blade. Its what people think is happening. Or on any other stamina build: say I fully charge a bow heavy attack, bar swap and crit rush you, both attacks hit at the exact same time, but I didn't even animation cancel anything.

Magicka builds are able to use travel times to their advantage much more than stamina builds as they have the option to go ranged. Take the classic Curse + Meteor + Frags + Streak sorcerer combo. If the target get to 20% with all this damage, they take the Fury explosion too, maybe even implosion. 5 attacks land/explode almost at the same time even without much need for animation canceling at all. This combo is literally just playing with travel times and being quick with the Streak CC. Nightblades combos also can get pretty hectic in terms of attacks per second like say Fear + Meteor + Assassin's Will + Impale while Crippling Grasp ticks on you. Night blades are especially strong because an Assassin's Will (aka strongest single target attack in the game atm) gets empowered by the Meteor and Impale doesn't have a travel time.
Even Templars can layer attacks like Dark Flare + Meteor + Shards (RIP) + Charge.

Animation canceling is not a cheat, nor an exploit nor anything in the genre. You're overlapping globals and playing with travel times.

So yeah, it is happening, but its not always the "fault" of animation canceling. I suggest you learn AC too, because it the one thing that makes combat even more interesting. And don't go in there with the "its cheating" mindset, because its not. You'll notice you've been doing some of it unintentionally since your very first day in this game.

Baconlad · February 2017

Attack canceling is *not* hard...you only need to practice it. The above, you can light attack/ cancel to skill/ cancel with a bash/ hit ultimate and cancel with another bash all in the timeframe of 1 1/2 to 2 seconds depending. On if you do it right. The above takes a bit more skill than just one cancel, but once you learn you will FULLY embrace it, MASSIVE damage potential esspecially with procs in there with it

Derra · February 2017

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Animation canceling (AC) is allowed. The devs have confirmed it. Notice that it´s not the same thing as macroing.

Macroing does not give you any advantage in eso´s combat though. Also it does not allow you to execute skills faster than "normal".

The problem is moreso animation and with it casttimeskipping.
When you charge a heavyattack alongside your crystal fragments/dizzing swing - that is not animationcanceling. You´re executing two casttime ability at the same time. That´s a glitch in the animation system and not working as intended.

Actually it does, with macros you can get perfect animation cancelling. Without human error.

This guy probably just ran into his first animation cancelled heavy attack/crit rush/ransack/tremocscale/viper/ravage health combo. Three attacks, two or three proc sets, one poison, so much stupid.

Welcome to one stamriel.

Heavyattack canceling is not animation canceling. The combination of heavyattacks + channeled/casttime skills allows to execute two casttimed abilities at the same time.
That´s a bug from my understanding of the game and has nothing to do with actually cancelling an animation. You simply don´t play one (that´s also supposed to have a casttime) at all.

Also i´ve tested a lot with "macroing" in all different mmos i´ve played since it became supported in various gaming equipment drivers. It´s mainly out of curiosity - and i´ve yet to find a use for macros apart from not getting logged out when afking.
It´s always been subpar to human input in every scenario i could imagine (especially in eso where skillcooldown and lightattack cooldown don´t line up).

The machine error is actually much more of a liability (especially when also considering server lag) than human error seems to be. Atleast for me.
Meaning i will execute lightattack skill block even in lag 19 out of 20 times.
That won´t happen with a macro.

Beardimus · February 2017

Skill can be mistaken for cheating, when you dont know. HOWEVER are these global cooldowns listed anywhere? If publisher or at least explained it might help people understand the dark voodoo.

Maybe they need true animation cool down timings on the skills./ next to cast time?

Izaki · February 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Skill can be mistaken for cheating, when you dont know. HOWEVER are these global cooldowns listed anywhere? If publisher or at least explained it might help people understand the dark voodoo.

Maybe they need true animation cool down timings on the skills./ next to cast time?

Its all 1 sec for all the skills.

zZzleepyhead · February 2017

MikanPachi wrote: »

Seriously why is this allowed and since it is allowed how do you do it? I was with a group in Imperial city and it was just 3 of us and we were capturing the final district for AD when this Pact jerk appears out of nowhere and is wailing his strong attacks like he's sonic the hedghog on a caffine trip. I know he was attack canceling cuz my 1st week in game people warned me that i'd eventually encounter it. this guy was basicly attacking 5 times before i could even fire one light attack from my bow. to add insult to injury after I lost all my points i had gathered, the guy starts teabagging me and my group. i should note he also was teabagging faster than what should be possible. Since it seems this isn't something that will be patched out, HOW do I pull this off myself so I can stand a chance in pvp?

try learning how to stay alive before you try and kill someone

Garwulf · February 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Attack canceling is *not* hard...you only need to practice it. The above, you can light attack/ cancel to skill/ cancel with a bash/ hit ultimate and cancel with another bash all in the timeframe of 1 1/2 to 2 seconds depending. On if you do it right. The above takes a bit more skill than just one cancel, but once you learn you will FULLY embrace it, MASSIVE damage potential esspecially with procs in there with it

Try doing it successfully with 250+ ping than many of us have all the time ...

exeeter702 · February 2017