Turn the Forums Around

vamp_emily · February 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

ɔᴉʇsɐʇuɐɟ sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ǝɥ┴

˙punoɹɐ sɯnɹoɟ ǝɥʇ uɹnʇ s,ʇǝl 'sǝ⅄

Why don't I trust you?

Actually that is kind of funny, it took me a moment but I see what you did

DenMoria · February 2017

BlueViolet wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

For about the quintillionth time: People who are actually negative towards the game don't post here. They don't care enough to do so. Yeah, there's the occasional "I quit six months ago and only come here to make fun of you guys for still playing," because there's always a-holes. For the most part, people who actually take the time and effort to post here are people who enjoy the game, care about the game, and want to see the game improve..

This.
I don't know how many more times it has to be said before people listen.

Sunshine and rainbows are all very well and good, but how would Zeni know when they're doing something that makes the players game experience not so good, if people don't come and give feedback?

I post when I think something is well done. I also complain. I'm going to complain and post negative feedback every time I feel that Zenimax does something that I believe is detrimental to the life of ESO in my view, as one of their players. Not because I like to complain. Not because I want to fill the forum full of whining. But because I love the game, I want to enjoy it and I want it to last and have a long life so that I can keep playing. And I'm sure that at least 90% of the people who complain on the boards feel the same way.

I'm sure they would read the forums if they weren't so full of vitriol, hatred and unreasonable demands and requests.

ThePaleItalian · February 2017

MidknightWolf wrote: »

If you're new, please bare with these morbid forums. Thousands and thousands of players are in the game and really enjoying it. I would like to take part in turning these forums around to make them more "new player" friendly as I can say that each time I come to visit here I just find my self depressed. The game is fantastic. It is one of the best mmorpgs of all time as far as I can say. ZOS did a real fine job and continue to make things better and better.

I guess you can say that the more negative and volatile these forums are directly reflect how passionate the player base is, and if that is true, then everyone here is extremely passionate. I just wish the majority could be a little more constructive.

While I agree that it came across that way. A lot of those who "complain" are very passionate about this game and want to continue to see it grow.

But there are times where the "ZOS SUCKS" "I quit" "I demand what I deserve" topics really bring clashes on the forum. Everyone has an opinion, but look at some of the posters who have ranting posts, other posts they have are praising the game.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

MasterSpatula wrote: »

For about the quintillionth time: People who are actually negative towards the game don't post here. They don't care enough to do so. Yeah, there's the occasional "I quit six months ago and only come here to make fun of you guys for still playing," because there's always a-holes. For the most part, people who actually take the time and effort to post here are people who enjoy the game, care about the game, and want to see the game improve.

^ @MasterSpatula gets it.

People who complain here want the game to improve.

People who are just negative about the game and no longer care if it improves walk away, and spend their money elsewhere.

The very worst thing a company can do is ignore the former, because that turns them into the latter.

All The Best

DenMoria · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

For about the quintillionth time: People who are actually negative towards the game don't post here. They don't care enough to do so. Yeah, there's the occasional "I quit six months ago and only come here to make fun of you guys for still playing," because there's always a-holes. For the most part, people who actually take the time and effort to post here are people who enjoy the game, care about the game, and want to see the game improve.

^ @MasterSpatula gets it.

People who complain here want the game to improve.

People who are just negative about the game and no longer care if it improves walk away, and spend their money elsewhere.

The very worst thing a company can do is ignore the former, because that turns them into the latter.

All The Best

Good thought.

Tryxus · February 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

ɔᴉʇsɐʇuɐɟ sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ǝɥ┴

˙punoɹɐ sɯnɹoɟ ǝɥʇ uɹnʇ s,ʇǝl 'sǝ⅄

Why don't I trust you?

Actually that is kind of funny, it took me a moment but I see what you did

Thank goodness, I thought nobody would get that

Nymirah · February 2017

I think what makes most gaming forums distasteful is not the negative feedback aimed at developers because that is, for the most part, given with good and hopeful intentions. The problem is the petty bickering between players.

Other players do not need your feedback on how they should feel, how they should speak, their lifestyle or what should and should not be fun for them personally. Everybody's different and that's okay.

Tandor · February 2017

I agree entirely with the OP.

Nobody has any issue with constructive criticism, but negative moaning based largely on made-up claims or misinterpretation of previous comments from ZOS are not contributing in any way at all.

A little less cynicism as to the motivation behind the developers' decisions would go a long way to helping restore the sense of balance which the moaners are constantly demanding in the game but denying to the forum.

After all, if people hate the game so much and despise the developers so greatly, why are they still here other than to make a nuisance of themselves?

TBONE_OG · February 2017

Turn around... bright eyes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOxhH8N3Bo

DenMoria · February 2017

Nymirah wrote: »

I think what makes most gaming forums distasteful is not the negative feedback aimed at developers because that is, for the most part, given with good and hopeful intentions. The problem is the petty bickering between players.

Other players do not need your feedback on how they should feel, how they should speak, their lifestyle or what should and should not be fun for them personally. Everybody's different and that's okay.

On the forum, because, in ESO, those on chat feel perfectly justified in doing all of things you mention ALL the time. Not everyone, of course, but certainly a very VOCAL group. It is annoying, insulting and very offputting. I don't even turn chat on any longer.

JinMori · February 2017

Well, the forums are made to give feedback, and what do you think people are gonna talk about? They are gonna talk about the things that they don't like, and wanna see changed.
This becomes even better, if the player provides an idea on how to resolve the problem.

skiptomyluau · February 2017

I love the game and play a few hours each day. However I will always put in my two cents about the *** poor performance on xbox 1S. Maybe someday it'll improve

Rouven · February 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

ɔᴉʇsɐʇuɐɟ sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ǝɥ┴

˙punoɹɐ sɯnɹoɟ ǝɥʇ uɹnʇ s,ʇǝl 'sǝ⅄

Why don't I trust you?

Actually that is kind of funny, it took me a moment but I see what you did

Thank goodness, I thought nobody would get that

Wut? I loved it!

Just not sure where we are going when we constantly turn around.

Full steam ahead I say, worry about the consequences in the next life!

esotoon · February 2017

Nymirah wrote: »

I think what makes most gaming forums distasteful is not the negative feedback aimed at developers because that is, for the most part, given with good and hopeful intentions. The problem is the petty bickering between players.

Other players do not need your feedback on how they should feel, how they should speak, their lifestyle or what should and should not be fun for them personally. Everybody's different and that's okay.

This, this and more this!

The majority of negative threads would die a quick death, if others didn't feel the need to chime in with these sort of comments. Especially when they clearly have not even bothered to read the thread. It just makes people then feel like they need to defend themselves, so the topic keeps going round and round, reseting the thread to the top of the board each time.

If you want more positivity on the forum, then put positivity out there. Adding more negativity to an already negative thread isn't going to work.

Pheefs · February 2017

Thing is, we all have a hot button topic!
I'm generally a happily content casual, who stops by the forums to check the ESO News
& even I could hold forth with latent internet rage over this one...

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

"armor you can make will allways be better then what is dropped"

or why bow isn't more effective as a primary...

& don't get me started about why can't I hide my SHOES?

so the overall effect a lot of times makes the forums like...

Keep having fun & don't feed the thing that lives under the bridge!

akl77 · February 2017

Any critic, any feedback is valuable ZOS! Learn from your forum!

AlMcFly · February 2017

Nymirah wrote: »

I think what makes most gaming forums distasteful is not the negative feedback aimed at developers because that is, for the most part, given with good and hopeful intentions. The problem is the petty bickering between players.

Other players do not need your feedback on how they should feel, how they should speak, their lifestyle or what should and should not be fun for them personally. Everybody's different and that's okay.

I disagree. I believe wholeheartedly that people still think it's acceptable to criticize in a negative manner, because not enough people have told them that only trashy people do that. Flamboyant rant posts, ultimatums, freak outs, etc. are all signs of extreme immaturity. Immature people rarely get taken seriously, and that's for a good reason. Many of you don't understand that criticism =\= negative. You consider all criticism, at least to your personal character, as inherently negative. That's narrow-minded.

This is why I personally spend less time disagreeing with their actual criticism, and more time disagreeing with their behavior and expression of that criticism. Not all criticism is helpful or should be listened to, especially when it's wrapped in expletives or empty threats.

In life, someone telling you to stop acting like a child is probably the most important advice you will ever receive, as it applies to your behavior in everything. The vast majority of people hear criticism about their behavior and just fight or run. Very few people sit and listen to what's being said. This is why we have so many grown adults who still act like children. Truth.

esotoon · February 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

This is why I personally spend less time disagreeing with their actual criticism, and more time disagreeing with their behavior and expression of that criticism. Not all criticism is helpful or should be listened to, especially when it's wrapped in expletives or empty threats.

In life, someone telling you to stop acting like a child is probably the most important advice you will ever receive, as it applies to your behavior in everything. The vast majority of people hear criticism about their behavior and just fight or run. Very few people sit and listen to what's being said. This is why we have so many grown adults who still act like children. Truth.

Just curious, how many times have you posted in this way and found that it has done anything to change the poster's attitude, compared to how many times it has caused the poster or someone else to respond to your post and cause the thread to keep going?

AlMcFly · February 2017

esotoon wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

This is why I personally spend less time disagreeing with their actual criticism, and more time disagreeing with their behavior and expression of that criticism. Not all criticism is helpful or should be listened to, especially when it's wrapped in expletives or empty threats.

In life, someone telling you to stop acting like a child is probably the most important advice you will ever receive, as it applies to your behavior in everything. The vast majority of people hear criticism about their behavior and just fight or run. Very few people sit and listen to what's being said. This is why we have so many grown adults who still act like children. Truth.

Just curious, how many times have you posted in this way and found that it has done anything to change the poster's attitude, compared to how many times it has caused the poster or someone else to respond to your post and cause the thread to keep going?

I have a follow-up question. Do you generally stop doing things you know to be right, just because others react unfavorably to them? Think about it.

akl77 · February 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

esotoon wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

This is why I personally spend less time disagreeing with their actual criticism, and more time disagreeing with their behavior and expression of that criticism. Not all criticism is helpful or should be listened to, especially when it's wrapped in expletives or empty threats.

In life, someone telling you to stop acting like a child is probably the most important advice you will ever receive, as it applies to your behavior in everything. The vast majority of people hear criticism about their behavior and just fight or run. Very few people sit and listen to what's being said. This is why we have so many grown adults who still act like children. Truth.

Just curious, how many times have you posted in this way and found that it has done anything to change the poster's attitude, compared to how many times it has caused the poster or someone else to respond to your post and cause the thread to keep going?

I have a follow-up question. Do you generally stop doing things you know to be right, just because others react unfavorably to them? Think about it.

I have to say, you are quite a effective debater, you can be a good sales man.

esotoon · February 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

I have a follow-up question. Do you regularly stop doing things you know to be right, just because others react unfavorably to it? Think about it.

Depends on the circumstances. But when it comes to forums, often. Sometimes saying something, even if you believe it to be 'right' just prolongs the thread at best, or at worst, inflames the situation that would otherwise have died off. Hence the long held adage on the Internet of "Do not feed the trolls".

Veuth · February 2017

People on this site are the biggest rabid fanboys ever, and will ride Zenimax's *** 24/7 while disputing every amount of criticism with "l2p" and other generic toxicity.

Shunravi · February 2017

Veuth wrote: »

People on this site are the biggest rabid fanboys ever, and will ride Zenimax's *** 24/7 while disputing every amount of criticism with "l2p" and other generic toxicity.

Says the guy who started a toxic and combative thread right off the bat.

Tryxus · February 2017

Veuth wrote: »

People on this site are the biggest rabid fanboys ever, and will ride Zenimax's *** 24/7 while disputing every amount of criticism with "l2p" and other generic toxicity.

L2Forum

Sausage · February 2017

Theres Players Helping Players forum for new players.

I think we are just at that stage, we have discussed a ton, now we just gotta wait when Zen gets them done. I predict its going to take 1-2 year for Zen, after that forums become more constructive.

MasterSpatula · February 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

I disagree. I believe wholeheartedly that people still think it's acceptable to criticize in a negative manner, because not enough people have told them that only trashy people do that. Flamboyant rant posts, ultimatums, freak outs, etc. are all signs of extreme immaturity. Immature people rarely get taken seriously, and that's for a good reason. Many of you don't understand that criticism =\= negative. You consider all criticism, at least to your personal character, as inherently negative. That's narrow-minded.

This is why I personally spend less time disagreeing with their actual criticism, and more time disagreeing with their behavior and expression of that criticism. Not all criticism is helpful or should be listened to, especially when it's wrapped in expletives or empty threats.

In life, someone telling you to stop acting like a child is probably the most important advice you will ever receive, as it applies to your behavior in everything. The vast majority of people hear criticism about their behavior and just fight or run. Very few people sit and listen to what's being said. This is why we have so many grown adults who still act like children. Truth.

Interesting. I tend to agree with what you're saying here, though I'd point out that one's need to be "the adult in the room" can itself lead to fallacious arguing. Believing in our own superiority is almost always an intellectual trap.

I agree with your last paragraph completely. IRL and here, words that should be conversation starters end up being conversation enders.

LadyLavina · February 2017

Forum has successfully been turned around.

Balamoor · February 2017

Actually there are only about ten people who basically live on the forums to spew negativity, Iv'e called them the usual suspects, toxic ten etc. It got to the point where I just put them on ignore and the quality of the forums has improved dramatically.

In the grand scheme of things these forums are no more or less negative than any other MMO forum and honestly most people who play MMO's know forums aren't a representation of the in game community.