MattT1988 wrote: »

Yes but correct me if I'm wrong but apart from the Grim Harlequin all those other motif's respective style materials are available to be harvested in game yes?

The only thing being harvested for this motif are the players.

How many crowns does everybody have from other motifs ?
Just add the 5 to them. Then enough for set !

Ive got 85 when I get this motif ill have 90. I think that's enough for a while ?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

We checked with the Dev team about this for you. The Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif comes with 5 Mimic Stones like most other style motifs we sell in the Crown Store. We priced the Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif accordingly with this in mind. As some of you have noted, we've also put the Mimic Stone Packs on sale in the Crown Store (25% off now until Jan. 4).

Miaura wrote: »

Hmm, it says 5 in the picture of the stones, but if you hover your mouse over the stones pic, it shows a tiny 54 and the crafting mark in the right corner, above "bind on pickup". Did not buy so can not say anything more certain...

That tooltip you're hovering your mouse over shows how many Mimic Stones you currently have in your inventory. Mine says 59, for example.

This makes non sense since all these motifs are lootable and craftable with what you can find in game.

The only other crown store exclusive motif similar to Frostcaster is the Grim Harlequin that you could buy for 2200 crowns and you got 54 mimic stones, not 5.

I'm definitely not buying this comes with only 5 mimic stones.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

I am not missing the point. There isn't a point except to complain endlessly about everything on these forums. Grim harlequin came with 54 stones and was cheaper then buying a pack of 54 stones alone. But still a lot of you guys pissed and moaned and complained about zos and their supposed dirty tactics. Now this one comes out with just the standard amount of stones most crown store motifs come with and you guys *** and moan and complain about the number of stones. Like I said even if it came with 5000 stones you would still find something to complain about. Its not about the stones.

Crown store exclusive motifs are a bad thing.
Crown Store exclusive style items are a bad thing
Crown store exclusive motifs that come with a bunch of crown store exclusive style items are a bad thing
Crown store exclusive motifs that don't even come with a bunch of crown store exclusive style items are even worse than bad.

Got it ?

I got it ! and like it ! The motif that is !

Seeing crown items become less appealing makes me smile as it becomes easier to boycott worthless overpriced cash grabs.

Good by nickle, see ya dime.

Osteos wrote: »

@Abeille A quick glance through this thread shows that most were not swayed by the inclusion of stones

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/297429/are-you-ok-with-crown-store-only-motifs-like-the-grim-harlequin/p1

In fact the only person I saw that had a change of heart was @Prof_Bawbag being more against motifs being 5000 crowns. You yourself stated that the 54 stones made it not as bad but still weren't swayed to buy it or agree with the practice. I am not forum policing or telling anyone to stfu but it would be nice if you guys stuck to your particular grievances and weren't so wishy washy. I expected a thread complaining about the Frostcaster motif being in the crown store, predictable since there was so much complaining about the grim harlequin, but to say OH they didn't include stones as the main complaint now is just kinda comical and makes it hard to take these thread seriously.

Is it "right" to have cs exclusive motifs. Hard to say and depends on the person. I craft for myself only, occasional pcs for friends so buying cs exclusive that use mimic stones isn't a big deal for me. Now I think the grim harlequin was a better deal for sure then frostcaster, I was hopeful that it would also be sold with lots of stones but I didn't expect it or make the assumption it must. I would not have bought grim harlequin if it hadn't have been bundled with the stones, but I really like the frostcaster so most likely I still would have bought it and then had to buy stones. Which incidentally, would have worked out to be around the same price in crowns, or less actually.

I can see where the stones are an issue for people who craft for others though and to me is the more valid argument against mimic stone only motifs. I do feel the forums are a place to discuss via praise and criticism but the sheer amount of negativity on these forums over everything devalues those criticism. Pick your battles, stick to your guns. As much as I disagree with @STEVIL @Tandor and @JKorr about the current justice system they stick to their arguments and hold firmly to their positions and though I don't agree I respect that.

Actually we were swayed, because we went from "This is unacceptable" to "This isn't THAT bad", and most of us stopped complaining about it after that. Me included. Just because we still didn't want to buy it, it doesn't mean the opinions didn't change with the addition of the stones. Oh by the way, because of the 54 stones, I cave in by the end of the event. I panic-bought it when time was running out (it's the problem of always having crowns available due to subscription, it is much easier to impulse-buy things). Boo, yeah, I know, but I did. Because the deal was too good, and the robes looked so good on my vampire, and I couldn't bear as a Master Crafter to need someone else to craft it for me.

But still, it is like the datamined "Premium Banker/Merchant". When it was datamined, everybody thought the "Premium" meant extra functionality. Once Gina said they were just like the previous Banker/Merchant, only with different appearances, we were like "Oh okay then". Does it mean we would buy them? They still don't have all the functionalities an actual Bank/Merchant has in the game, so that would be a "No" for me.

Accepting a practice instead of, well, not accepting it, doesn't imply I'm going to put my money on it or that I don't think it would still be better if it wasn't included in the game.

So yeah, if you look at the thread looking for people who went from "this sucks" to "this is awesome", you are not going to find that many people. But if you look for people who went from "This sucks" to "this is not that bad", then you will understand what I was saying on my previous post.

And again, having exclusive motifs in the store is a ship that has already sailed. But ZOS went and made it a worse deal than before, so we are going back to the "this sucks" reaction. Which is a shame, because I'm sure many of us would buy the Frostcaster motif, even if we don't like the fact that it is exclusive, if the deal was as good as with the Grim Harlequin.

Oh, and the number of the stones are an issue even if you only craft for yourself, since 5 stones are not enough to make a full set for one character. Honestly, in my opinion, it didn't HAVE to be 54 stones like the Grim Herlequin, that's a lot, but if it was at least 12 it wouldn't be so bad.

sickboy2808 wrote: »

I got to pay another 1800 crowns now just so i can craft my new armour. What a rip off

To be fair, you can buy the smallest Mimic Stones pack for 450 Crowns if you are only looking to outfit one character. But... Yeah, it still sucks.

Alternatively, you can wait for people to spend their own mimic stones crafting equipment and deconning it and then buy the stones for gold.

you are already getting a decent deal with th stones provided, considering i paid 2200 for the Halloween one and got 5 stones. I tend to keep a stock of them if possible but in the end the current motif is a decent deal. Besides the stones are not overly pricey, i just use my monthly crowns on them if nothing else catches my eye. If you think it is a bad deal then do not buy it, if you want it then buy it knowing that you accept the deal that is provided. Is it a perfect deal? no, personally i think they need to make it at least 10 stones (7 for armor and 3 weapons) But they need to make money and these mimic stones provide a affordable (for the player) money maker for ZoS. I see more and more people making these threads complaining about how they do not think they are getting their moneys worth, and perhaps you are not. To some 10 bucks here and there is nothing to others it is, best advice i can give as a crafter is to spend your monthly crowns on it and if you buy multi months divide it up in to a single perches.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

We checked with the Dev team about this for you. The Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif comes with 5 Mimic Stones like most other style motifs we sell in the Crown Store. We priced the Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif accordingly with this in mind. As some of you have noted, we've also put the Mimic Stone Packs on sale in the Crown Store (25% off now until Jan. 4).

Miaura wrote: »

Hmm, it says 5 in the picture of the stones, but if you hover your mouse over the stones pic, it shows a tiny 54 and the crafting mark in the right corner, above "bind on pickup". Did not buy so can not say anything more certain...

That tooltip you're hovering your mouse over shows how many Mimic Stones you currently have in your inventory. Mine says 59, for example.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom - Could you do us a favor and tell the devs - who apparently have never actually PLAYED this game or know how it works - that there are SEVEN pieces of armor, so 5 stones doesn't even allow you to create a single suit of armor. If you don't include at least enough stones to create a single set of armor, it just makes you look like uncaring money grabbers to the community.

Just saying.

I personally will not be buying this one for exactly that reason. What's the point? Especially since your previous broken promises about crafted armor being the best, forcing us to use trial/dungeon armor to be competitive with no way to change the motif of dropped pieces.

I only have 650 crowns left and my next payment for 3 months is on 22 Dec, so I was waiting to see if this new motif was the same deal as Grim Harlequin and to either still sub or unsub due to the game going stale for me.

Thanks ZOS for assisting me to make the decision to unsub as the 3 months sub crowns would have allowed me to purchase this motif to at least keep it interesting.

But for 2000 crowns and only 5 stones it is a blatant rip off considering the other styles you stated you based this pricing/number of mimic stones on is not on the same level - being the style stones can be obtained in game.

Good luck to those that purchased the motif.

And you've totally missed the point. It is important the number of stones it comes with due to the fact you cannot get the crafting style stone in game like the others.

Good for you that you bought it, all the players would like to thank you for single handedly propping up the game with your purchase of the motif THEN the purchase of the discounted mimic stones. God knows you need those extra mimic stones.

Osteos wrote: »

Honestly, you would still be complaining if it came with 54 stones or 100 stones or no stones. Don't buy it or buy it but, don't pretend that the stones are the issue.

Just another move to rip off the customer. First was crown exclusive motifs, then crown crates, now crown exclusive motifs that do not even have the necessary reagents to craft a full set of the armor style. Next step is just to parcel out an exclusive motif and put individual recipes into the crown crates.