Frostcaster Motif only has 5 Mimic Stones?

Lord_Wrath

-5 respect for zos

STEVIL

ookami007 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

We checked with the Dev team about this for you. The Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif comes with 5 Mimic Stones like most other style motifs we sell in the Crown Store. We priced the Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif accordingly with this in mind. As some of you have noted, we've also put the Mimic Stone Packs on sale in the Crown Store (25% off now until Jan. 4).

Miaura wrote: »

Hmm, it says 5 in the picture of the stones, but if you hover your mouse over the stones pic, it shows a tiny 54 and the crafting mark in the right corner, above "bind on pickup". Did not buy so can not say anything more certain...

That tooltip you're hovering your mouse over shows how many Mimic Stones you currently have in your inventory. Mine says 59, for example.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom - Could you do us a favor and tell the devs - who apparently have never actually PLAYED this game or know how it works - that there are SEVEN pieces of armor, so 5 stones doesn't even allow you to create a single suit of armor. If you don't include at least enough stones to create a single set of armor, it just makes you look like uncaring money grabbers to the community.

Just saying.

I personally will not be buying this one for exactly that reason. What's the point? Especially since your previous broken promises about crafted armor being the best, forcing us to use trial/dungeon armor to be competitive with no way to change the motif of dropped pieces.

Of course, even with my master crafters, i cannot recall the last time i had a char run in full seven piece crafted set?

Anyone playing this game for any periods of time knows how often it is that a character runs 5pc crafted sets plus then other sets like 2pc monster sets or 2pc armor + 3pc jewel drop sets.

So, you know, one can see the determination that 5 is enough as actually being knowledgeable of how it works in ACTUAL PLAY as opposed to a far less frequently seen theoretical max anyone seeing the char sheet with little to no actual play experience could guess was the norm.

Of course, such a person might think 7 was the "right number" for a full suite of crafted except that that uninformed guess would be wrong - since with weapons and shields that total max possible (as opposed to in reality practical) comes in at 9 to 11 - but certainly anyone who has actually PLAYED this game or knows how it works would know that. (Staves look cool.)

Would more stones be nice? Sure, more is always good.

I bought the motif and its stones at the price and feel i got what i expected.

Now if they just get around to making equip crafting worthwhile i will get to use it.

ookami007

STEVIL wrote: »

Of course, even with my master crafters, i cannot recall the last time i had a char run in full seven piece crafted set?

Anyone playing this game for any periods of time knows how often it is that a character runs 5pc crafted sets plus then other sets like 2pc monster sets or 2pc armor + 3pc jewel drop sets.

Are you seriously going to buy it and not craft a full set for yourself - just to wear around while doing the event, etc? That's the best part - bragging rights!

While I agree that few of my master crafters get orders for complete sets, they DO get them. Mostly for alts who are leveling. If they have CPs, they want a full set of training at level 10 that they wear until 50. If they don't have CPs, generally they want a full set of training at CP10 that they where until CP160 - and I'm happy when they want another set at CP80, etc. too, but it happens less and less with overland sets.

But you also re-emphasize my point. We can't convert dropped pieces to motifs we know, so many motifs go unused or under-used because they are BiS. Most sets took a backdoor to overland, dungeon or trial sets as of 1T.

Give us a way to convert armor/weapons to any motif we know and we will love you long time!

Abeille

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

It is objectively a worse deal, and it can be demonstrated mathematically.

Quoted for truth.
Especially considering that ZOS argued, back in the case of the Grim Harlequin motif, that "it comes with many Mimic Stones" as a compensation for the style item not being available ingame.

The Grim Harlequin was problematic because of being crown store exclusive, but it was an OK deal. The Frostcaster motif is objectively a rip-off.
I had decided beforehand to buy it (with my sub's crowns) and I really want to have it, but given the situation I haven't bought it yet and really don't know what to do...

This is exactly how I feel. I was planning to get it with my sub Crowns, but now, I don't know what to do.

With the Grim Harlequin one, at least I could justify the purchase with "Well, at least I won't need to buy stones to craft this for a long time, and it is not like it will do much damage, most builds wear dropped sets anyway... ". That's another thing, too. If we could apply the look of motifs to dropped sets, the perceived value of them would increase tremendously.

Sigtric

STEVIL wrote: »

ookami007 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

We checked with the Dev team about this for you. The Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif comes with 5 Mimic Stones like most other style motifs we sell in the Crown Store. We priced the Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif accordingly with this in mind. As some of you have noted, we've also put the Mimic Stone Packs on sale in the Crown Store (25% off now until Jan. 4).

Miaura wrote: »

Hmm, it says 5 in the picture of the stones, but if you hover your mouse over the stones pic, it shows a tiny 54 and the crafting mark in the right corner, above "bind on pickup". Did not buy so can not say anything more certain...

That tooltip you're hovering your mouse over shows how many Mimic Stones you currently have in your inventory. Mine says 59, for example.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom - Could you do us a favor and tell the devs - who apparently have never actually PLAYED this game or know how it works - that there are SEVEN pieces of armor, so 5 stones doesn't even allow you to create a single suit of armor. If you don't include at least enough stones to create a single set of armor, it just makes you look like uncaring money grabbers to the community.

Just saying.

I personally will not be buying this one for exactly that reason. What's the point? Especially since your previous broken promises about crafted armor being the best, forcing us to use trial/dungeon armor to be competitive with no way to change the motif of dropped pieces.

Of course, even with my master crafters, i cannot recall the last time i had a char run in full seven piece crafted set?

Anyone playing this game for any periods of time knows how often it is that a character runs 5pc crafted sets plus then other sets like 2pc monster sets or 2pc armor + 3pc jewel drop sets.

So, you know, one can see the determination that 5 is enough as actually being knowledgeable of how it works in ACTUAL PLAY as opposed to a far less frequently seen theoretical max anyone seeing the char sheet with little to no actual play experience could guess was the norm.

Of course, such a person might think 7 was the "right number" for a full suite of crafted except that that uninformed guess would be wrong - since with weapons and shields that total max possible (as opposed to in reality practical) comes in at 9 to 11 - but certainly anyone who has actually PLAYED this game or knows how it works would know that. (Staves look cool.)

Would more stones be nice? Sure, more is always good.

I bought the motif and its stones at the price and feel i got what i expected.

Now if they just get around to making equip crafting worthwhile i will get to use it.

You're only taking end-game into account.

Since 1 Tamriel alone I've made 6 different full sets of crafted (all armor and weapons) for myself (new toons, during leveling) and 3 full sets for other people.

FoolishHuman

STEVIL wrote: »

Anyone playing this game for any periods of time knows how often it is that a character runs 5pc crafted sets plus then other sets like 2pc monster sets or 2pc armor + 3pc jewel drop sets.

You are missing the point of a cosmetic motif. It's not about the set bonus, it's about the looks. I can't get the looks with 5 pieces. And if you don't care about the looks, just the set bonuses then you are not the target audience of this motif anyway.
This is a marketing trick, on the surface it looks fair because all the motifs only get 5 stones, right? But in reality you need to buy more and more stones every time you want to use this motif. Imagine there was a consumable you had to buy every time you wanted to use costumes, mementos or mounts, that would be just as terrible.

Ilsabet

It's all just a slippery slope.

When motifs were first put in the crown store, people were unhappy because ZOS was charging real money for things people could get in-game. But it was rationalized because the things were still available in-game for the people who wanted to work for them.

When the first cash-only motif appeared, people were unhappy because ZOS was charging real money for something that previously would have been available in-game but was now locked behind a real money paywall. But it was rationalized because the package included mimic stones of an approximately equivalent value, so people could tell themselves that they were just paying for the stones and getting the motif for "free."

Now we're getting a cash-only motif that doesn't come with all of those mimic stones, and I guess we're supposed to rationalize it by saying that that's how the other motifs work, and the mimic stones are on sale, and just ignore the fact that it still costs almost twice as many crowns to get the same stuff we got last time.

The ball just keeps on rollin'.

Waffennacht

It's REALLY simply.

People aren't going to buy it because of the lack of accessibility when they normal would have. (Me included)

It doesn't matter, "you know what you're getting," etc

We don't see it as a good deal, it won't be purchased, maybe in the future they'll release that more people will buy these things if they make it worth the while.

Oh and if you're going all crafted sets (or even enough to see the motif pieces) you're doing it ONLY for the visual look, not "end game content"

Kodrac

Osteos wrote: »

Grim harlequin came with 54 stones and was cheaper then buying a pack of 54 stones alone.

Which made it a great deal and why I went ahead and got it. But this one's not such a good deal so I'm not gonna bother with it.

I can understand why they did it. They're cashing in on Skyrim remastered. Just look at all the recent posts wanting this game to be Skyrim 2 or where are the dragons, etc. Just last night I was in Riften and someone was asking how to get to Skyrim.

Talek

So i didn't bought Grim Harlequin cuz it look like ***, but Stalhrim weapons are so cool that i decided to give it a try and now you're telling me that i can only craft 5 times before spending more crowns? What the actual ****. How is this even logical that i have to spent 2k for that and i barely can even use it without further spending...50 mimic stones for personal use is a lot, i don't craft for other ppl much these days (2 years ago when almost no one had 9 traits it was something, now meh) so it will last me for a year or maybe even more but here you basically set the price of the motif for ~4k because you are forced to buy mimic stones to use it.

Osteos

Talek wrote: »

So i didn't bought Grim Harlequin cuz it look like ***, but Stalhrim weapons are so cool that i decided to give it a try and now you're telling me that i can only craft 5 times before spending more crowns? What the actual ****. How is this even logical that i have to spent 2k for that and i barely can even use it without further spending...50 mimic stones for personal use is a lot, i don't craft for other ppl much these days (2 years ago when almost no one had 9 traits it was something, now meh) so it will last me for a year or maybe even more but here you basically set the price of the motif for ~4k because you are forced to buy mimic stones to use it.

Which is why there needs to be a way to get Stahlrim and grinstones? in game. Maybe add them as possible drops in chests similar to malachite.

I also agree we need a way to convert armor into different styles that we know.

bigsuba

It seems mimic stones that come with the new frostcaster motifs do not stack with mimic stones bought with HG motifs bought from witch festival. Is there any way to fix this matter to avoid losing a inventory spot?

nimander99

SolarCat02 wrote: »

I guess they are hoping to milk people who liked the Stahlrim from Skyrim.

Pass. Crown Store only motifs are sad enough, especially with very few craftable sets actually worth crafting! But almost doubling the price from the last one, too...

Nope Nope Nope.
I would have thought they sucked enough money out of people this quarter with the gambling.

Only problem is it doesn't even remotely remind me of the Stahlrim armor from either Morrowind or Skyrim... Just looks like blue fir clothes.

Abeille

nimander99 wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

I guess they are hoping to milk people who liked the Stahlrim from Skyrim.

Pass. Crown Store only motifs are sad enough, especially with very few craftable sets actually worth crafting! But almost doubling the price from the last one, too...

Nope Nope Nope.
I would have thought they sucked enough money out of people this quarter with the gambling.

Only problem is it doesn't even remotely remind me of the Stahlrim armor from either Morrowind or Skyrim... Just looks like blue fir clothes.

You see, if it DID look like Stahlrim armor, I would at least understand why they did this (I said "understand", not "agree with"), since people would want to buy it because of Skyrim and that alone would make some people ignore that it is a worse deal because "Dude, it's Stahlrim! Like on that DLC with the books and the flying spaghetti monster!".

STEVIL

Sigtric wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

ookami007 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

We checked with the Dev team about this for you. The Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif comes with 5 Mimic Stones like most other style motifs we sell in the Crown Store. We priced the Stalhrim Frostcaster Style Motif accordingly with this in mind. As some of you have noted, we've also put the Mimic Stone Packs on sale in the Crown Store (25% off now until Jan. 4).

Miaura wrote: »

Hmm, it says 5 in the picture of the stones, but if you hover your mouse over the stones pic, it shows a tiny 54 and the crafting mark in the right corner, above "bind on pickup". Did not buy so can not say anything more certain...

That tooltip you're hovering your mouse over shows how many Mimic Stones you currently have in your inventory. Mine says 59, for example.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom - Could you do us a favor and tell the devs - who apparently have never actually PLAYED this game or know how it works - that there are SEVEN pieces of armor, so 5 stones doesn't even allow you to create a single suit of armor. If you don't include at least enough stones to create a single set of armor, it just makes you look like uncaring money grabbers to the community.

Just saying.

I personally will not be buying this one for exactly that reason. What's the point? Especially since your previous broken promises about crafted armor being the best, forcing us to use trial/dungeon armor to be competitive with no way to change the motif of dropped pieces.

Of course, even with my master crafters, i cannot recall the last time i had a char run in full seven piece crafted set?

Anyone playing this game for any periods of time knows how often it is that a character runs 5pc crafted sets plus then other sets like 2pc monster sets or 2pc armor + 3pc jewel drop sets.

So, you know, one can see the determination that 5 is enough as actually being knowledgeable of how it works in ACTUAL PLAY as opposed to a far less frequently seen theoretical max anyone seeing the char sheet with little to no actual play experience could guess was the norm.

Of course, such a person might think 7 was the "right number" for a full suite of crafted except that that uninformed guess would be wrong - since with weapons and shields that total max possible (as opposed to in reality practical) comes in at 9 to 11 - but certainly anyone who has actually PLAYED this game or knows how it works would know that. (Staves look cool.)

Would more stones be nice? Sure, more is always good.

I bought the motif and its stones at the price and feel i got what i expected.

Now if they just get around to making equip crafting worthwhile i will get to use it.

You're only taking end-game into account.

Since 1 Tamriel alone I've made 6 different full sets of crafted (all armor and weapons) for myself (new toons, during leveling) and 3 full sets for other people.

No, i am not just taking end game into account.

For developing characters and crafting for others and the larger number of craftings you mention - the difference between 5 and 7 stones in the main purchase would be irrelevant, right? 5 v 7 is not gonna change that dynamic of needing mimic stoners on bit for sets you are recrafting during development levels or providing for others.

Now, since you did not specify and so it might be that you are only referring to the end sentence of my post -
"Now if they just get around to making equip crafting worthwhile i will get to use it." and not the vast totality of the actual point of it related to this thread or my post (5 v 7 and the "actually plays" thing), then i can say that for me during leveling i have found it worthwhile to craft at the beginning, maybe again at 14 just before going to tier 2 but very little after that since drops fill-in quite nicely during the interim.

i will agree with what others have observed: for speed leveling especially it is far more convenient to craft disposable sets during developing levels since they plan to skip so much of the content that provides drop sets in favor of faster speed-thru leveling to get to that very end game you mention. Crafted sets in that case have hands down all over better disposability and convenience than drop sets.

Me? I tend to level by playing thru content again, including quests that dont provide skills points and main quest and guild quests and so forth, so i get tons of drop sets and can fill those in easily seeing my developing char pieces keep getting up-leveled without me having to run off to my crafter. Can still craft for fill-in sure, but only when necessary. Working well enough for my newest developing chars since 1T.

For me though, really having the edge on disposability and convenience during developing periods does not make equip crafting count as "worthwhile" given what it took to get it maxed.

But really, seriously, do you know many folks who frequently burn mimic stone crafting on developing level sets they will outlevel as they advance?

most of the time i see folks using mimic stone craftings, it is quite precisely with end game gear that they know they will wear for a long time (though in truth: for some the definition of end game may not be what others consider it as.)

STEVIL

ookami007 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Of course, even with my master crafters, i cannot recall the last time i had a char run in full seven piece crafted set?

Anyone playing this game for any periods of time knows how often it is that a character runs 5pc crafted sets plus then other sets like 2pc monster sets or 2pc armor + 3pc jewel drop sets.

Are you seriously going to buy it and not craft a full set for yourself - just to wear around while doing the event, etc? That's the best part - bragging rights!

While I agree that few of my master crafters get orders for complete sets, they DO get them. Mostly for alts who are leveling. If they have CPs, they want a full set of training at level 10 that they wear until 50. If they don't have CPs, generally they want a full set of training at CP10 that they where until CP160 - and I'm happy when they want another set at CP80, etc. too, but it happens less and less with overland sets.

But you also re-emphasize my point. We can't convert dropped pieces to motifs we know, so many motifs go unused or under-used because they are BiS. Most sets took a backdoor to overland, dungeon or trial sets as of 1T.

Give us a way to convert armor/weapons to any motif we know and we will love you long time!

I did buy the motif and will craft sets with it when i need to craft something that i will use for a long time.
that is unlikely until crafting gets its 1T upgrade, for me at least.

So no i am not creating a set to wear just for looks. too much hassle to swap in and out. my inventories are already overflowing and without housing storage in the imminent future... sigh.

And yes i agree you do on occasion get "full sets" but a "full set" isn't 7 and its not uncommon so to me someone trying to make a point about knowing how the game is played and 5 vs 7 is an obvious fail to make the point.

Convert motif for drop sets - yes. Would love to see that.

STEVIL

FoolishHuman wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Anyone playing this game for any periods of time knows how often it is that a character runs 5pc crafted sets plus then other sets like 2pc monster sets or 2pc armor + 3pc jewel drop sets.

You are missing the point of a cosmetic motif. It's not about the set bonus, it's about the looks. I can't get the looks with 5 pieces. And if you don't care about the looks, just the set bonuses then you are not the target audience of this motif anyway.
This is a marketing trick, on the surface it looks fair because all the motifs only get 5 stones, right? But in reality you need to buy more and more stones every time you want to use this motif. Imagine there was a consumable you had to buy every time you wanted to use costumes, mementos or mounts, that would be just as terrible.

You are missing the point.
its not only about the set bonus or only about the looks. that is a false dichotomy.

Sure, there are some who only care about set bonuses.
Sure, there are some who only care about the looks.
but there are also plenty who care about each and want both or at least are willing to do some trade-offs and trade off-s are possible which make 5 v 7 as a sign of "actually plays the game" a ridiculous claim. With hide helment and a robe covering breeches/greaves for instance 5 is enough for some.

The gross overstating of the extremes and the defense of the 5 v 7 means not knowing what they are doing comments (or counter challenge) are really out there IMO.

I bought frostcatcher with 5 stones. will craft it when i next craft long term items. There would have been absolutely no difference in my decisions if it had had 7 stones instead of 5 nor do i feel 5 vs 7 shows anything about their knowledge of the game.

Anyone who bought that with the idea you suggested, bolded above, should think before clicking a little more, IMO. i cant imagine there are that many though. Almost anyone experienced with equip crafting in this game knows when and how often they craft and can make educated decisions based on their own experiences and needs.

I suppose if they looked at it and based on their experiences and needs decided "5 is fari, thats what i will need because sets 5" blah blah and such... who am i to second gues their decision since their play style and crafting style might be different than mine.

i dont have to assume "they got took" and neither do you.

What you call a marketing trick is actually truth in advertising. They said "you will get this" and they delivered just that. They did not say "and this is what you will need for all and ever" or anything to the effect.

And again, back to the post you are challenging, if they had made it 7, it wouldn't have shown more knowledge of actual play on their part, as the poster implied.

Abeille

Here is what "a full set" means, since there is a discussion about that:

"A full monster set": Two pieces.
"A full Agility set": Three pieces.
"A full Winterborn set": Five pieces.
"A full Breton style set": All the armor and the weapons in Breton style.

Frostcaller is a style. It belongs to the fourth definition. Five stones do not cover it. Even with helm hidden and not showing pants on light armor if you are wearing robes, your weapons will still not be covered by the number of stones.

STEVIL

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's REALLY simply.

People aren't going to buy it because of the lack of accessibility when they normal would have. (Me included)

It doesn't matter, "you know what you're getting," etc

We don't see it as a good deal, it won't be purchased, maybe in the future they'll release that more people will buy these things if they make it worth the while.

Oh and if you're going all crafted sets (or even enough to see the motif pieces) you're doing it ONLY for the visual look, not "end game content"

IMX some of the most common end game builds include mixes of crafted and drops. Sure, some these days are going all drops since 1T but many are still mixed and from what i have seen the major visible areas of chest and legs (with maybe boots, belts, gloves weapons) are the ones most visible, most influential of the "look" and also the most crafted for these mixed sets.

So, i cannot agree that "even enough of the pieces" to get the olook is somehow exclusive of end game content.

just not even close to my experience.

Also, let me say this - not just to your post but to others - this extreme all or nothing notion that folks after looks dont care about bonuses or that folks after bonuses dont care about looks and that false dichotomy - well answer me this - why then are there so many many posts and in many different threads asking for or pleading for the ability to change drop set motifs?

Seems to me the prevalence of that request shows there is a substantial number of folks who want BOTH bonuses and looks.

Sigtric

Abeille wrote: »

Here is what "a full set" means, since there is a discussion about that:

"A full monster set": Two pieces.
"A full Agility set": Three pieces.
"A full Winterborn set": Five pieces.
"A full Breton style set": All the armor and the weapons in Breton style.

Frostcaller is a style. It belongs to the fourth definition. Five stones do not cover it. Even with helm hidden and not showing pants on light armor if you are wearing robes, your weapons will still not be covered by the number of stones.

Exactly this.

The preview for the light armor in the STORE UI would require 8 stones to craft. However because of it only coming with 5 stones, if you want to look exactly like what was advertised for your purchase, you'd have to make an additional purchase to get enough stones.

That. is. wrong.

Bad business.

NewBlacksmurf

Truthsnark wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Oh, I thought it was a forecaster motif.

At least when looking for a representative image of a weather forecaster I found this lady doing what I'm pretty sure is the male Khajiit dance.

Never understood what is the belt for on these outfits.

The belt is to provide visual interest by breaking up the field of red in the dress, and to accentuate the narrowest part of her body. This sort of basic dress can be worn for both daytime and evening, with the right accessories. See how the bracelet she is wearing echoes the belt and the black in the bracelet and the belt tie in the black shoes? Good basic accessorizing. The viewer's eye will register that she is wearing a red dress, and will register that she looks "put together" but won't excessively focus on her because nothing she is wearing is flashy or ostentatious; this is desirable in this instance because she wanted people to pay more attention to the weather report she has given on the green screen than what she was wearing. The little softshoe routine notwithstanding, of course.

On topic, Zenimax is not here to run a charity. The idea that the company cannot offer things in the Crown store that may require you to purchase additional things in the Crown store for some "moral" reason is rather laughable. If you don't like it, don't purchase ESO+ or Crowns to spend in the store and just play the base game. Remember, Zenimax is patching, updating, and providing free content on the base game too, not just for purchasable expansions.

simplified.....makes her more sexy
but yeah more of what you wrote


So....about this discount and gems........who would buy 54 for more than it costs to sub.
who thought that was a good idea before or after crown discounts and store discounts @ZOS_GinaBruno

The dang entire motif book is cheaper than the stones...WTH logic are you all using in the meetings about this stuff

HELLB0UNDH0UND

Everyone wants to rant and rave about how the devs don't communicate with the community, yet when they show up and comment in a thread, you typically flame the hell out of them. Yeah, can't imagine why they'd be hesitant to comment

It's *** that it only comes with 5 mimic stones, I definitely agree. But I also don't think Jessica or Gina had anything to do with that decision.

Heartwork

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So....about this discount and gems........who would buy 54 for more than it costs to sub.
who thought that was a good idea before or after crown discounts and store discounts @ZOS_GinaBruno

The dang entire motif book is cheaper than the stones...WTH logic are you all using in the meetings about this stuff

I just found out after i bought this,
and your reaction sums it up pretty well.

i feel cheated, and im not sure ill ever spend money here again, if this is the way they want to play it.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

This is just another step in the "death" direction for the game.. which is sad because I love TES.
HOWEVER, this is gold for youtube.. easy rant video on why the game is becoming ***..

Sigtric

HELLB0UNDH0UND wrote: »

Everyone wants to rant and rave about how the devs don't communicate with the community, yet when they show up and comment in a thread, you typically flame the hell out of them. Yeah, can't imagine why they'd be hesitant to comment

It's *** that it only comes with 5 mimic stones, I definitely agree. But I also don't think Jessica or Gina had anything to do with that decision.

Jessica and Gina are both saints, doing what they do. I think most of us here in this thread understand they are the messenger. I can't say I have seen anyone fault either of them for it.

That said, it is a problem and whoever made this decision should be aware of the feelings about it. These sort of practices (+ things like the crown crate implementation) have made it very difficult for me to recommend this game to people, as of late. Which is really sad because it has nothing to do with gameplay.

lagrue

Valethar wrote: »

MattT1988 wrote: »

Yes but correct me if I'm wrong but apart from the Grim Harlequin all those other motif's respective style materials are available to be harvested in game yes?

The only thing being harvested for this motif are the players.

easily one of the best forum responses I've ever seen

tspecherb14_ESO

Was going to buy it, then realized it only came with 5 stones and no way of getting materials in game. Crap value and marketing tactics so not going to buy. Gimmicky BS for people who aren't attentive (or whales who wouldn't care). Typical "gotcha" economy crap.

starkerealm

Abeille wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

It is objectively a worse deal, and it can be demonstrated mathematically.

Quoted for truth.
Especially considering that ZOS argued, back in the case of the Grim Harlequin motif, that "it comes with many Mimic Stones" as a compensation for the style item not being available ingame.

The Grim Harlequin was problematic because of being crown store exclusive, but it was an OK deal. The Frostcaster motif is objectively a rip-off.
I had decided beforehand to buy it (with my sub's crowns) and I really want to have it, but given the situation I haven't bought it yet and really don't know what to do...

This is exactly how I feel. I was planning to get it with my sub Crowns, but now, I don't know what to do.

With the Grim Harlequin one, at least I could justify the purchase with "Well, at least I won't need to buy stones to craft this for a long time, and it is not like it will do much damage, most builds wear dropped sets anyway... ". That's another thing, too. If we could apply the look of motifs to dropped sets, the perceived value of them would increase tremendously.

In my case, I chased after it, because I've had a huge fondness for Stalhrim since Bloodmoon. Honestly, it looks pretty snazzy. But, I can't blame anyone for being upset about it not coming with a large cache of mimic stones.

The thing is, the other motifs, the ones that come with 5 stones, you can get their actual style materials in game. It's not some rare thing that's impossible to obtain. With Grim Harlequin and Stalhrim, that's not possible. There is no Stalhrim drop in game. It's not, "here's a few stones to get you started, until you can find a real source of them," it's the only way to make this stuff.

As a bundle, with both motifs, I'm okay with it, to a point. 59 stones for 4200, with the two motifs isn't a bad deal. But, this is a difficult to justify purchase.

redspecter23

I think ZOS may learn the hard way that while making money is good for them, the loss of respect that they gain from some players will not be worth it in the end. I bought this new motif because I think it looks great on weapons. I was assuming (wrongfully) that it would be packaged the same as the Grim Harlequin with the 50ish stones for 2200 crowns. Can ZOS price this however they want? Sure, but I'm not as happy about this purchase as I would have been if it were 2200 crowns.

I'm not stupid. I know this is a marketing trick to get me to buy mimic stones and get a bigger sale out of me, but I didn't do that. I'll use the 5 stones I have + any Stahlrim stones I can buy from guild stores. They got 200 LESS from me than they would have gotten and it left me feeling like ZOS had tried to scam me. Negative sale + negative respect is a double whammy against ZOS from my point of view. Respect is everything when I'm giving them almost $20 a month. When they lose enough respect, they lose my sub as well. That's not a threat, just a fact. I don't feel good about paying people who try every chance they get to scam more money out of me.

MattT1988

HELLB0UNDH0UND wrote: »

Everyone wants to rant and rave about how the devs don't communicate with the community, yet when they show up and comment in a thread, you typically flame the hell out of them. Yeah, can't imagine why they'd be hesitant to comment

It's *** that it only comes with 5 mimic stones, I definitely agree. But I also don't think Jessica or Gina had anything to do with that decision.

Everybody knows they're just the mouthpiece for ZOS. But people are asking legitimate questions about her initial answer.