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Templars are not op :/
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We are not, nightblades are. Just because I have over 48 k health with gold black rose doesn't mean we are op. lol :0
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Paraflex✭✭✭✭The fact it's viable in most gear sets to run heavy armor(tank) plus the ability to spam any mag ability has always blown me away. Heavy armor Templars benefited the most when Heavy got boosted.
Templars should be forced to run cloth if they wanna heal. Use heavy if they wanna be a tank not get both of the benefits just using heavy.
Cut out the mag recovery you get from constitution and you would see a lot less Templars using heavy. Would be a slight nerf but would still be an issue because BOL is still to cheap and easy to cast.
Why should heavy armor get Mag and Stam back? If anything it should be Stam only.Edited by Paraflex on 13 December 2016 22:52Hollykills CP 630 Templar Healer - Ad PS4 Warlord Rank
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✭✭✭✭NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
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Ashamray✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
Irrelevant. Niceblades still can oneshot people who isn' newb is pvp.
Btw, Stamplar is very strong, I don't know why the are so unpopular.Boadrig, EU PC
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americansteel✭✭✭✭The fact it's viable in most gear sets to run heavy armor(tank) plus the ability to spam any mag ability has always blown me away. Heavy armor Templars benefited the most when Heavy got boosted.
Templars should be forced to run cloth if they wanna heal. Use heavy if they wanna be a tank not get both of the benefits just using heavy.
Cut out the mag recovery you get from constitution and you would see a lot less Templars using heavy. Would be a slight nerf but would still be an issue because BOL is still to cheap and easy to cast.
Why should heavy armor get Mag and Stam back? If anything it should be Stam only.
all these op stam builds and OPness of mag sorcs magplars are forced to usr HA
sorcerers use LA 3 shields insane mobility god like dps and stupid crazy survivability, they are tankier than HA health builds and can still dps. stam NBs are far more powerful than templars
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✭✭✭✭✭The fact it's viable in most gear sets to run heavy armor(tank) plus the ability to spam any mag ability has always blown me away. Heavy armor Templars benefited the most when Heavy got boosted.
Templars should be forced to run cloth if they wanna heal. Use heavy if they wanna be a tank not get both of the benefits just using heavy.
Cut out the mag recovery you get from constitution and you would see a lot less Templars using heavy. Would be a slight nerf but would still be an issue because BOL is still to cheap and easy to cast.
Why should heavy armor get Mag and Stam back? If anything it should be Stam only.
Any why is that?
Templars didn't benefit the most with the heavy change.
Who did benefit the most is stam character because as well as being more tanky, having more hp, better heals, the same damage they give up nothing by going heavy because they can use their magicka bar to sustain where as stamina can't.
Hence why you get stam sorc's who throw on 5 heavy and are able to have the best sustain in the game because their capable of turning their magicka into stamin.
For example on my stam sorc i can throw on 5 heavy and then ignore sustain completely (so balanced and working as intended there) . That mean i can go full offensive on all other slots. 3x Agility, 2x Monster helm , Msa Weps and all weapon damage enchants.
On my magplar i go 5x heavy then need to dedidate quite a bit of gear for sustain. I have to wear 3x lich jewellery with lich s&b back bar, i have to give up all 3 of my enchants for regen just so i can sustain.
Working it out if my magplar could completely ignore sustain because of heavy as my stam sorc can and go full damage it would have over 1000 more spell damage than it currently does.PS4 EU DC
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✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
Irrelevant. Niceblades still can oneshot people who isn' newb is pvp.
Btw, Stamplar is very strong, I don't know why the are so unpopular.
Stamplars are unpopular because stam sorc is hands and feet better for sustain, dmg and tank above all others. Stam dk is tankier than stamplar, and stam nb does way more dmg than stamplar.
Stamplar does not have a stam return for Magicka like dark deal or helping hands passive.
It's main dps is a physical dmg channel that is dodge able, get confused on closest enemy to you negating 140% dmg boost, and more subject to latency by nature of its attack, opposed to ambush which buffs surprise attack which buffs incap that can all land in the space of one channeled attack.
It arguably isn't the best in healing because it's mending and vitality can be achieved by a dk, and the dk doesn't have to tag a 4m circle for its buffs.
It can purify dots, but the cost of purify is a lot more than the simple reapplication of poison injection or other dots. Same comparison for increasing armor with dk between voli armor and focus.
Only viper and velidreth proc on jabs. (For those who care)
They don't have a cc that goes through block, or dodge roll, or reflect.
They don't have class access to minor berserk or minor brutality, or major brutality for that matter which locks them into 2h.
Unless you're a red guard, you sacrifice too much sustain to run heavy, if you compensate for that, you do too little dmg.
Stamplar has taken its place as the bottom rung of stamina pvp again... Which is good news cause I get to feel like a unicorn again.Rhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
I'm surprised you can get a soul assault off without impen gear. Console player?0 -
Father_X_Zombie✭✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »The fact it's viable in most gear sets to run heavy armor(tank) plus the ability to spam any mag ability has always blown me away. Heavy armor Templars benefited the most when Heavy got boosted.
Templars should be forced to run cloth if they wanna heal. Use heavy if they wanna be a tank not get both of the benefits just using heavy.
Cut out the mag recovery you get from constitution and you would see a lot less Templars using heavy. Would be a slight nerf but would still be an issue because BOL is still to cheap and easy to cast.
Why should heavy armor get Mag and Stam back? If anything it should be Stam only.
all these op stam builds and OPness of mag sorcs magplars are forced to usr HA
sorcerers use LA 3 shields insane mobility god like dps and stupid crazy survivability, they are tankier than HA health builds and can still dps. stam NBs are far more powerful than templars
when i played eso i dropped my temp for NB
Lol this guy still thinks sorcs are op ^
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
Irrelevant. Niceblades still can oneshot people who isn' newb is pvp.
Btw, Stamplar is very strong, I don't know why the are so unpopular.
Stamplars are unpopular because stam sorc is hands and feet better for sustain, dmg and tank above all others. Stam dk is tankier than stamplar, and stam nb does way more dmg than stamplar.
Stamplar does not have a stam return for Magicka like dark deal or helping hands passive.
It's main dps is a physical dmg channel that is dodge able, get confused on closest enemy to you negating 140% dmg boost, and more subject to latency by nature of its attack, opposed to ambush which buffs surprise attack which buffs incap that can all land in the space of one channeled attack.
It arguably isn't the best in healing because it's mending and vitality can be achieved by a dk, and the dk doesn't have to tag a 4m circle for its buffs.
It can purify dots, but the cost of purify is a lot more than the simple reapplication of poison injection or other dots. Same comparison for increasing armor with dk between voli armor and focus.
Only viper and velidreth proc on jabs. (For those who care)
They don't have a cc that goes through block, or dodge roll, or reflect.
They don't have class access to minor berserk or minor brutality, or major brutality for that matter which locks them into 2h.
Unless you're a red guard, you sacrifice too much sustain to run heavy, if you compensate for that, you do too little dmg.
Stamplar has taken its place as the bottom rung of stamina pvp again... Which is good news cause I get to feel like a unicorn again.
You should make friends with Essa-Ka and take some notes. Guy is an absolute monster and has inspired many an Orc stamplar alt. Stamplars aren't overpowered - no one said that - but they are not weak by any means and have a very cool toolset for small scale PVP. 2h/bow is arguably the strongest setup for this style of play, so the brutality issue is largely irrelevant. Nightblades have the same issue - if you say sap essence I'm going to have to laugh at you.PC/NA
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
Irrelevant. Niceblades still can oneshot people who isn' newb is pvp.
Btw, Stamplar is very strong, I don't know why the are so unpopular.
Stamplars are unpopular because stam sorc is hands and feet better for sustain, dmg and tank above all others. Stam dk is tankier than stamplar, and stam nb does way more dmg than stamplar.
Stamplar does not have a stam return for Magicka like dark deal or helping hands passive.
It's main dps is a physical dmg channel that is dodge able, get confused on closest enemy to you negating 140% dmg boost, and more subject to latency by nature of its attack, opposed to ambush which buffs surprise attack which buffs incap that can all land in the space of one channeled attack.
It arguably isn't the best in healing because it's mending and vitality can be achieved by a dk, and the dk doesn't have to tag a 4m circle for its buffs.
It can purify dots, but the cost of purify is a lot more than the simple reapplication of poison injection or other dots. Same comparison for increasing armor with dk between voli armor and focus.
Only viper and velidreth proc on jabs. (For those who care)
They don't have a cc that goes through block, or dodge roll, or reflect.
They don't have class access to minor berserk or minor brutality, or major brutality for that matter which locks them into 2h.
Unless you're a red guard, you sacrifice too much sustain to run heavy, if you compensate for that, you do too little dmg.
Stamplar has taken its place as the bottom rung of stamina pvp again... Which is good news cause I get to feel like a unicorn again.
lol dk is the least effective for healing. there is more to healing then just casting restro staff healing.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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✭✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
I'm surprised you can get a soul assault off without impen gear. Console player?
Yup. I actually use the Shatter Soul morph so it's only 2.9 seconds. It's a bit easier to get off but I have to be cognizant of line of sight. Shooting it up a hill or at a person running around a tree is a waste.
Combine Shatter Soul with Vicious Death and you'll turn Zergs into donuts just by shooting the one in the middle.
I get away with no impen by having about 30k in each resist, breath of life, harness magicka, a shield, immovable pots, invisibility pots, champion points, and most importantly mist form.
It's not for everyone but it works great for me. I solo in Cyrodiil a lot these days.Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on 14 December 2016 16:410 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Stamplar being weakest stam class is like saying the slowest guy competing in the Olympics.
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✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
Irrelevant. Niceblades still can oneshot people who isn' newb is pvp.
Btw, Stamplar is very strong, I don't know why the are so unpopular.
Stamplars are unpopular because stam sorc is hands and feet better for sustain, dmg and tank above all others. Stam dk is tankier than stamplar, and stam nb does way more dmg than stamplar.
Stamplar does not have a stam return for Magicka like dark deal or helping hands passive.
It's main dps is a physical dmg channel that is dodge able, get confused on closest enemy to you negating 140% dmg boost, and more subject to latency by nature of its attack, opposed to ambush which buffs surprise attack which buffs incap that can all land in the space of one channeled attack.
It arguably isn't the best in healing because it's mending and vitality can be achieved by a dk, and the dk doesn't have to tag a 4m circle for its buffs.
It can purify dots, but the cost of purify is a lot more than the simple reapplication of poison injection or other dots. Same comparison for increasing armor with dk between voli armor and focus.
Only viper and velidreth proc on jabs. (For those who care)
They don't have a cc that goes through block, or dodge roll, or reflect.
They don't have class access to minor berserk or minor brutality, or major brutality for that matter which locks them into 2h.
Unless you're a red guard, you sacrifice too much sustain to run heavy, if you compensate for that, you do too little dmg.
Stamplar has taken its place as the bottom rung of stamina pvp again... Which is good news cause I get to feel like a unicorn again.
You should make friends with Essa-Ka and take some notes. Guy is an absolute monster and has inspired many an Orc stamplar alt. Stamplars aren't overpowered - no one said that - but they are not weak by any means and have a very cool toolset for small scale PVP. 2h/bow is arguably the strongest setup for this style of play, so the brutality issue is largely irrelevant. Nightblades have the same issue - if you say sap essence I'm going to have to laugh at you.
Haha I am good friends with Essa, and our builds have been theory crafted together over very long hours in ts and chat... I'm not saying they suck I'm saying they are the bottom tier of stam builds atm. Still love my stamplar, still do work with him. But these are the issues that stamplar faces when compared to other classes. Superficially stamina based.caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »NB can one shot people even in heavy armor. Templars cant. End of discussion
Yes we can. I do it all the time. You'd be amazed what you can melt when not running impen gear.
Granted, I'm not one shotting anyone good, but 35% of Cyrodiil still has no idea how to counter Soul Assault and about 10% thinks standing in Radiant Oppression while in light armor without blocking is a good idea.
Irrelevant. Niceblades still can oneshot people who isn' newb is pvp.
Btw, Stamplar is very strong, I don't know why the are so unpopular.
Stamplars are unpopular because stam sorc is hands and feet better for sustain, dmg and tank above all others. Stam dk is tankier than stamplar, and stam nb does way more dmg than stamplar.
Stamplar does not have a stam return for Magicka like dark deal or helping hands passive.
It's main dps is a physical dmg channel that is dodge able, get confused on closest enemy to you negating 140% dmg boost, and more subject to latency by nature of its attack, opposed to ambush which buffs surprise attack which buffs incap that can all land in the space of one channeled attack.
It arguably isn't the best in healing because it's mending and vitality can be achieved by a dk, and the dk doesn't have to tag a 4m circle for its buffs.
It can purify dots, but the cost of purify is a lot more than the simple reapplication of poison injection or other dots. Same comparison for increasing armor with dk between voli armor and focus.
Only viper and velidreth proc on jabs. (For those who care)
They don't have a cc that goes through block, or dodge roll, or reflect.
They don't have class access to minor berserk or minor brutality, or major brutality for that matter which locks them into 2h.
Unless you're a red guard, you sacrifice too much sustain to run heavy, if you compensate for that, you do too little dmg.
Stamplar has taken its place as the bottom rung of stamina pvp again... Which is good news cause I get to feel like a unicorn again.
lol dk is the least effective for healing. there is more to healing then just casting restro staff healing.
Specifically speaking from a stamina point of view bud. Dk could have major mending, minor vitality and 12% extra healing for just having a dragon skill up.
Stamina Templar just gets major mending and moor vitality provided you are in area of influence.
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✭✭✭✭✭There is so misinformation from people who clearly have no idea what they are talking about.
This thread is pointless.PS4 EU DC
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Ganj✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »There is so misinformation from people who clearly have no idea what they are talking about.
This thread is pointless.
I believe they are just trolling.2
