Do not buy Crown Crates!!!

Saoirse_Siobhan · December 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

Crown crates are nothing more than a cash grab by ESO.

Edit: They have already started closing free speech threads down about them, wonder how long this will stay up.

Some threads have not just been closed but removed entirely.

Delta1038 · December 2016

Yeah, I admit I don't really understand why it is drawing so much anger from people. If you don't want them, don't buy them and it is pretty clear from that get go that you spend money for a roll of the proverbial dice. I spent crowns on some, didn't get a storm mount but still got some fun stuff. See no reason to buy anymore and even less reason for people to be freaking out about them. But hey, what do I know?

DragonBound · December 2016

Sallington wrote: »

Crap like these crates have no place in a video game. I don't know when it started exactly, but why the hell can't developers just focus purely on content like they used to?

I guess that idea dies with the B2P and F2P payment models. People started bitching and complaining about about a monthly subscription (for god knows what reason. probably couldn't get a hold of their parent's credit card), and now this is the aftermath of the slippery slope. Let everyone into the game for close to no cost, then monetize everything.

Mounts, costumes, personalities.... ALL things that could easily be incorporated into the Achievement system, but that doesn't make ZOS any money. Not with the game being B2P.

I miss the days of just paying a subscription, and the dev's job was to create engaging content that brought in new customers and kept people subscribed. Now it's "what can wave in front of people that will make them want to spend $20".

I have been saying this forever sub based was better period, but noooo people have to complain, realistically an mmorpg needs a sub based.

Recremen · December 2016

TequilaFire wrote: »

I only bought 4 crates at 400 crowns each. Each crate's contents value on the crown store far exceeded the 400 crowns so I can not call it a rip off or a scam as long as you don't count on getting that one thing you have your heart set on every time. I was lucky and got the mount I wanted in the 4th crate, but was not disappointed in the useful poisons, pets, tattoos, hats and mimic stones I received in the other crates. In other words I more than got my monies worth.

So as long as you don't actually want anything and just feel the need to spend crowns on who-cares-what, they're a great deal, but if you actually want something they're a total scam, got it.

Nyx2 · December 2016

TequilaFire wrote: »

I only bought 4 crates at 400 crowns each. Each crate's contents value on the crown store far exceeded the 400 crowns so I can not call it a rip off or a scam as long as you don't count on getting that one thing you have your heart set on every time. I was lucky and got the mount I wanted in the 4th crate, but was not disappointed in the useful poisons, pets, tattoos, hats and mimic stones I received in the other crates. In other words I more than got my monies worth.

"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.

Callous2208 · December 2016

Delta1038 wrote: »

Yeah, I admit I don't really understand why it is drawing so much anger from people. If you don't want them, don't buy them and it is pretty clear from that get go that you spend money for a roll of the proverbial dice. I spent crowns on some, didn't get a storm mount but still got some fun stuff. See no reason to buy anymore and even less reason for people to be freaking out about them. But hey, what do I know?

I'm gonna need you to go buy more. You're not supporting ZOS hard enough. We can't provide future releases into the crates if you don't keep buying crates. Crates are the game now. Stop being a freeloader.

Saoirse_Siobhan · December 2016

Where are all the "I TOLD YOU SO!" memes?

Publius_Scipio · December 2016

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TequilaFire wrote: »

I only bought 4 crates at 400 crowns each. Each crate's contents value on the crown store far exceeded the 400 crowns so I can not call it a rip off or a scam as long as you don't count on getting that one thing you have your heart set on every time. I was lucky and got the mount I wanted in the 4th crate, but was not disappointed in the useful poisons, pets, tattoos, hats and mimic stones I received in the other crates. In other words I more than got my monies worth.

So as long as you don't actually want anything and just feel the need to spend crowns on who-cares-what, they're a great deal, but if you actually want something they're a total scam, got it.

That is the complete and total BS way of understanding what they are. It can't be a scam because YOU ALL KNOW EXACTLY what they are. And ZOS explained how they work. They aren't forced upon anyone. You make the decision if you are going to give it a shot. There is no scam.

OutLaw_Nynx · December 2016

I would rather spend a flat 4K on these new mounts over gambling. Let's be honest, if they didn't have these new mounts would we bother at all with these? Maybe. I wouldn't.

No matter how much noise and uproar we cause these things are here to stay and we might as well just get use to it..

Daraugh · December 2016

I'm curious as to how it's legal to offer gambling crates in ESO, for everyone regardless of where they live. If players aren't allowed to participate in the sweepstakes offered, as it's considered a form of gambling by their countries or states, why are they allowed to gamble so openly on on these clown crates?

Delta1038 · December 2016

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Delta1038 wrote: »

Yeah, I admit I don't really understand why it is drawing so much anger from people. If you don't want them, don't buy them and it is pretty clear from that get go that you spend money for a roll of the proverbial dice. I spent crowns on some, didn't get a storm mount but still got some fun stuff. See no reason to buy anymore and even less reason for people to be freaking out about them. But hey, what do I know?

I'm gonna need you to go buy more. You're not supporting ZOS hard enough. We can't provide future releases into the crates if you don't keep buying crates. Crates are the game now. Stop being a freeloader.

Haha, well if that is the case then they will just have to settle for my ESO Plus subscription for the time being. I spend my money more wisely and if the crates had more things of interest to me then I would have considered getting more. But as it stands I deemed the game fun enough to risk the crowns I had on them. Suppose the real question is then, are you supporting ZOS hard enough?

Danikat · December 2016

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Pangnirtung wrote: »

Moltyr wrote: »

DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY!!! (unless you're super rich)

Edited title to remove caps lock and baiting language.

Who are you to tell us what to do or what not to do? Our parents? Our guardians? Our lawmakers?

I have no intentions on spending any money on crates but if others want to more power to them.

I think that it is a total waste but then I buy lottery tickets and some people think those are a complete waste of money.

Why do some people think EVERYONE has to do and think like them?

Eh, people are free to do what they want. Scam crates are in pretty much every mmo now anyhow. If the mmo you love is not subscription based, you can bet there are scam crates and minimal content updates. Ever since gaming went mainstream if you will, this type of system has flourished. But I digress. Would be nice if ZOS was the first MMO company to use that money they're milking from a portion of the playerbase, to fund new and better content for people who enjoy the video game aspect of video games.

My favourite MMO has scam crates and (usually) frequent content updates. They've had 6 new releases this year, all free if you log in during the release window (or $2.50 if you don't).

I still don't like or buy the crates and I'd much rather just pay for content to play than rely on the developers cheating people who don't understand odds (the forum for that game is always full of people who are genuinely shocked and furious that they didn't get anything good from the crates), but that doesn't seem to be an option for an MMO.

(And no a subscription doesn't work for me either - If it was pay as you go, where you buy a certain number of hours and then use them up that would work but as it is I'd end up wasting money on time I never get to use.)

Woeler · December 2016

Rawlkha on EU is full of atronach mounts, but I guess oh well, all anomalies.

Cazzy · December 2016

Woeler wrote: »

Rawlkha on EU is full of atronach mounts, but I guess oh well, all anomalies.

Or rich. Or not very smart. Or typical of gambling (odds are higher to start with then decreased over time). Or coincidental. Or a lie.

Kodrac · December 2016

Woeler wrote: »

Rawlkha on EU is full of atronach mounts, but I guess oh well, all anomalies.

And how much did all of them spend? No one is saying there are no atronauch mounts.

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THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

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danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

It's not a scam. You know what you're getting into. You're all scamming yourself and blaming the dealer because you think hitting on a 20 is a good idea.

No not a scam. Just a very cheap, tacky, low-life way to rinse your customers for every last dime. It shows zero respect for us as customers or players.

Very true.

It's also really profitable so I'm sure the CEO of Zenimax will totally worry about that aboard his gold plated yacht. And then wipe away this flood of indignation made with his handkerchief made of perfectly stitched together $100 bills.

The sooner that many of you realize that almost everything in life is a calculated plan to separate you from your money they better many of you will be. Nobody cares about art, your feelings, or your addictions. They just care about your money.

rotaugen454 · December 2016

4 more hours until I can buy some Crown Crates! I can quit anytime, honest.

Callous2208 · December 2016

Delta1038 wrote: »

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Callous2208 wrote: »

Delta1038 wrote: »

Yeah, I admit I don't really understand why it is drawing so much anger from people. If you don't want them, don't buy them and it is pretty clear from that get go that you spend money for a roll of the proverbial dice. I spent crowns on some, didn't get a storm mount but still got some fun stuff. See no reason to buy anymore and even less reason for people to be freaking out about them. But hey, what do I know?

I'm gonna need you to go buy more. You're not supporting ZOS hard enough. We can't provide future releases into the crates if you don't keep buying crates. Crates are the game now. Stop being a freeloader.

Haha, well if that is the case then they will just have to settle for my ESO Plus subscription for the time being. I spend my money more wisely and if the crates had more things of interest to me then I would have considered getting more. But as it stands I deemed the game fun enough to risk the crowns I had on them. Suppose the real question is then, are you supporting ZOS hard enough?

I've only subbed since day one on pc and buy crowns from time to time. So no, I'm barely even throwing any support their way.
But rest assured friend, this is only the beginning. You have my word that we will eventually have so many awesome things in the crates, you'll want to blow your entire paycheck on them. Basically we hope to evolve the crates from mere, fun scam boxes to absolutely necessary for game enjoyment.

Callous2208 · December 2016

Danikat wrote: »

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Callous2208 wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

Moltyr wrote: »

DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY!!! (unless you're super rich)

Edited title to remove caps lock and baiting language.

Who are you to tell us what to do or what not to do? Our parents? Our guardians? Our lawmakers?

I have no intentions on spending any money on crates but if others want to more power to them.

I think that it is a total waste but then I buy lottery tickets and some people think those are a complete waste of money.

Why do some people think EVERYONE has to do and think like them?

Eh, people are free to do what they want. Scam crates are in pretty much every mmo now anyhow. If the mmo you love is not subscription based, you can bet there are scam crates and minimal content updates. Ever since gaming went mainstream if you will, this type of system has flourished. But I digress. Would be nice if ZOS was the first MMO company to use that money they're milking from a portion of the playerbase, to fund new and better content for people who enjoy the video game aspect of video games.

My favourite MMO has scam crates and (usually) frequent content updates. They've had 6 new releases this year, all free if you log in during the release window (or $2.50 if you don't).

I still don't like or buy the crates and I'd much rather just pay for content to play than rely on the developers cheating people who don't understand odds (the forum for that game is always full of people who are genuinely shocked and furious that they didn't get anything good from the crates), but that doesn't seem to be an option for an MMO.

(And no a subscription doesn't work for me either - If it was pay as you go, where you buy a certain number of hours and then use them up that would work but as it is I'd end up wasting money on time I never get to use.)

What mythical game doth thou speak of?

SickDuck · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

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TequilaFire wrote: »

I only bought 4 crates at 400 crowns each. Each crate's contents value on the crown store far exceeded the 400 crowns so I can not call it a rip off or a scam as long as you don't count on getting that one thing you have your heart set on every time. I was lucky and got the mount I wanted in the 4th crate, but was not disappointed in the useful poisons, pets, tattoos, hats and mimic stones I received in the other crates. In other words I more than got my monies worth.

"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.

It's great that there's an alternative. There could have been a 'Play as a Vampire or as a Werewolf' DLC.

There's so many things ZOS can be bad mouthed for but ESO's business model is not one of them. Since the move to B2P despite all the scaremongering it has been very fair.

Palidon · December 2016

Why complain. You don't have to purchase them and if you do then its your fault. The Crown Crates are a rip off.

Delta1038 · December 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

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Delta1038 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Delta1038 wrote: »

Yeah, I admit I don't really understand why it is drawing so much anger from people. If you don't want them, don't buy them and it is pretty clear from that get go that you spend money for a roll of the proverbial dice. I spent crowns on some, didn't get a storm mount but still got some fun stuff. See no reason to buy anymore and even less reason for people to be freaking out about them. But hey, what do I know?

I'm gonna need you to go buy more. You're not supporting ZOS hard enough. We can't provide future releases into the crates if you don't keep buying crates. Crates are the game now. Stop being a freeloader.

Haha, well if that is the case then they will just have to settle for my ESO Plus subscription for the time being. I spend my money more wisely and if the crates had more things of interest to me then I would have considered getting more. But as it stands I deemed the game fun enough to risk the crowns I had on them. Suppose the real question is then, are you supporting ZOS hard enough?

I've only subbed since day one on pc and buy crowns from time to time. So no, I'm barely even throwing any support their way.
But rest assured friend, this is only the beginning. You have my word that we will eventually have so many awesome things in the crates, you'll want to blow your entire paycheck on them. Basically we hope to evolve the crates from mere, fun scam boxes to absolutely necessary for game enjoyment.

Lol, define awesome? I can't imagine what would be worth spending a lot of money on for the slight chance of acquiring but perhaps that is a failure of imagination on my part.

I get what you are saying but I don't see that turn happening, gambling crowns on a maybe box is a far step from pay to win style mechanics. And should that turn ever occur, then at that point I will not play the game. But as it stands it is simply a crown roulette for aesthetics and random stuff. Hardly the end of the game or worth all the anger it seems to be incurring.

TequilaFire · December 2016

Recremen wrote: »

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TequilaFire wrote: »

I only bought 4 crates at 400 crowns each. Each crate's contents value on the crown store far exceeded the 400 crowns so I can not call it a rip off or a scam as long as you don't count on getting that one thing you have your heart set on every time. I was lucky and got the mount I wanted in the 4th crate, but was not disappointed in the useful poisons, pets, tattoos, hats and mimic stones I received in the other crates. In other words I more than got my monies worth.

So as long as you don't actually want anything and just feel the need to spend crowns on who-cares-what, they're a great deal, but if you actually want something they're a total scam, got it.

If you don't want anything then don't buy anything, such a strawman.
I happen to have a use for poisons, potions and collecting pets is not such a bad thing so there was really nothing I didn't want in any of the the crates I bought. One man's junk is another man's treasure.

But that is how I feel and of course you have a right to feel anyway you want just don't expect me to feel as you do.
Sorry to bring reason to extremist views.

Tryxus · December 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxTxh6l8eI

Pretty much this. Over 100$, still no mount and not enough gems to get it

Srsly, don't buy these things. Biggest ripoff there is

Big thanks to Deltia, and my condolences for the lost 100$

BTW: anyone noticed that the symbol on the Crown Crate is the symbol of the Illusion school of magic? Seems fitting...

Callous2208 · December 2016

Delta1038 wrote: »

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Callous2208 wrote: »

Delta1038 wrote: »

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Delta1038 wrote: »

Yeah, I admit I don't really understand why it is drawing so much anger from people. If you don't want them, don't buy them and it is pretty clear from that get go that you spend money for a roll of the proverbial dice. I spent crowns on some, didn't get a storm mount but still got some fun stuff. See no reason to buy anymore and even less reason for people to be freaking out about them. But hey, what do I know?

I'm gonna need you to go buy more. You're not supporting ZOS hard enough. We can't provide future releases into the crates if you don't keep buying crates. Crates are the game now. Stop being a freeloader.

Haha, well if that is the case then they will just have to settle for my ESO Plus subscription for the time being. I spend my money more wisely and if the crates had more things of interest to me then I would have considered getting more. But as it stands I deemed the game fun enough to risk the crowns I had on them. Suppose the real question is then, are you supporting ZOS hard enough?

I've only subbed since day one on pc and buy crowns from time to time. So no, I'm barely even throwing any support their way.
But rest assured friend, this is only the beginning. You have my word that we will eventually have so many awesome things in the crates, you'll want to blow your entire paycheck on them. Basically we hope to evolve the crates from mere, fun scam boxes to absolutely necessary for game enjoyment.

Lol, define awesome? I can't imagine what would be worth spending a lot of money on for the slight chance of acquiring but perhaps that is a failure of imagination on my part.

I get what you are saying but I don't see that turn happening, gambling crowns on a maybe box is a far step from pay to win style mechanics. And should that turn ever occur, then at that point I will not play the game. But as it stands it is simply a crown roulette for aesthetics and random stuff. Hardly the end of the game or worth all the anger it seems to be incurring.

That turn may never occur. We can only hope. Mmo track record for that is not in our favor I'm afraid. Either way, doesn't affect me now because I think the stuff in them is dumb. But one day they'll put something badass in there I want. And here I'll sit with all these crowns going to waste, wishing to buy it outright.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

Daraugh wrote: »

I'm curious as to how it's legal to offer gambling crates in ESO, for everyone regardless of where they live. If players aren't allowed to participate in the sweepstakes offered, as it's considered a form of gambling by their countries or states, why are they allowed to gamble so openly on on these clown crates?

Because you're not spending money on them.

You are spending money on crowns. You are then choosing to spend your crowns on a digital object, one that happens to have random stuff.

If ZOS was saying give us $5 and you'll have a 1 in 20 chance of getting $50 directly debited into your bank account that would be gambling.

It's semantics but that's the way it works. Consult your national government's attorney general type person if you want to change it.

Woeler · December 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

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Woeler wrote: »

Rawlkha on EU is full of atronach mounts, but I guess oh well, all anomalies.

Or rich. Or not very smart. Or typical of gambling (odds are higher to start with then decreased over time). Or coincidental. Or a lie.

Or you're just not willing to accept anything that counters your views, there's that.

Nyx2 · December 2016

Palidon wrote: »

Why complain. You don't have to purchase them and if you do then its your fault. The Crown Crates are a rip off.

ZoS wants our money and we don't mind giving it to them. But not like this. By getting fooled into buying every item we don't want because the crates lock away exclusive content. People complain because they care enough to not just leave the game in the dirt.

jd_newell_ESO · December 2016

Personally I don't play games with gamble boxes. Not because I am tempted to buy them, but simply don't like the business model.

This won't be the 1st game I have quit due to these being added and may not be the last. No anger or hard feelings. I really enjoyed the time I spent in eso but I don't support this business model so I will find something else to spend my free time in.

I have no problem with the people who do like the crates and I wish them well with the rng.

To all the people angry about them being added, find something else to play. It's a hobby. If it makes you angry and upset then just move on to something you may actually enjoy.

Lukums1 · December 2016

Ready for more jealousy LOL.

So first It was double VMA daggers and Destro Staffs now this.

4 crates and BOOM.

Then the remaining 11.

2 NEW Pups LOL

and The Storm Atro and Aura MOUNT LOL

Oh gg Lukums gg.