Akinos wrote: »

SourishWhale wrote: »

Agreed. Templar ultimates suck.

Been that way since day one unfortunately

According to majority of forum warriors that also are templar haters - templar should not have ultimates coz work of healbot is pressing BoL button.

Asardes wrote: »

I'm running it on my Templar and burns trash mobs really fast. And Templar ultimates are not crap at all. In fact Solar Prison is one of the strongest ultimates in the game.

If you are clearing trash mobs by ult that used for tanking - you doing it really wrong. And Solar Prison is one of the worst ultimates in game. Lets argue if you are disagree as simply saying good or bad is basing on own sujective personall view.

susmitds wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I'm running it on my Templar and burns trash mobs really fast. And Templar ultimates are not crap at all. In fact Solar Prison is one of the strongest ultimates in the game.

If you are clearing trash mobs by ult that used for tanking - you doing it really wrong. And Solar Prison is one of the worst ultimates in game. Lets argue if you are disagree as simply saying good or bad is basing on own sujective personall view.

There is a reason why all trial groups keep at least 3 Templars particularly for Nova.

1. It is not argument, it is yet again subjective view that also not true. My trial group doesn't use Nova, other 2 guild raids I know don't use it too. All 3 of those groups are Dro-m'Athra Destroyers, 2 of them cleared vMoL no-death runs, so...
2. @Asardes well, it is painfull to fight with 16k hp and light armor indeed, and Empowering Sweep might help a lot there. But let's talk from point when your char is fully leveled and achieved maximum dps/healing capabilities. You will have more than 16k HP, gold gear and Harness Magicka that will be another ~12k shield on top and you just won't be one-shotted by overland/etc. bosses and also won't have problems spamming Harness coz mana retuns. In addition you will be able to cast Channeled Focus that will grant tons of magicka and Major Armor buffs, so you will be more tanky than other dps builds already. Healing from Puncturing Sweep is very high and you can combine it with Major Mending passiver from your Cleansing Ritual and Channeled Focus, it resulting in such big heal that you don't need to be even healed when fight trial bosses (vMoL last boss, for example). In addition magicka templar dps builds can drop Ritual of Retribution that add nice damage, semi-CC in from of snare and strong Healing over time for entire group. In result all those things making dps magicka templar most tanky dps class.
Recap: while this ult may help on char that is still in progression, it simply not needed on end-game build. For example on trash pulls you can use Shooting Star and get much more boosted damage and ult back that will allow to use ult faster, resulting that dps by SS will be higher than from using Crescent Sweep, and in such situations Puncturing Sweeps is shiny skill - it is cone AoE, more trash mobs you hit - more healing you get, that literally making you invulnerable, so you don't need to be even tankier, but you can use pure offensive ultimates and here lie main problem that you don't have class ult for this, while all other classes have it.
Nova indeed was good at a time when different PvE content were introduced. For example when MoL was introduced Nova was must-have ult on 1st boss with his shielding phase, but zos increasing CP cap and adding new dps sets that outperform old sets. As result nowdays people don't even need to do mechanics, it became full dps race - with high dps you can skip mechanics, for example even vMoL hardmode gold phase can be skipped or, as aonther example - Nova won't help on vMoL last boss simply coz source of damage you will recieve will be from other sources taht you can't affect by Nova's debuff, not boss. Exactly same happening with healers - each update where CP cap increased it becoming easier and easier to simply outheal everything, even those things that was almost impossible to outheal before without using such ults as Nova. Nowdays all trial healers do is use Horn coz in addition to new destro ultimate it allow dd builds to simply burn through everything. And golden rule: "if enemy is dead it will deal zero damage". Same thing happens with mentioned Na-Kesh+Totem+adds situation - healer either use Horn or destro and other dd use destro and just melt everything.
As you mentioned Nova is bad vs movable targets and that is even bigger problem in other game's aspect - PvP. Other classes have ults that also ground based but can grant benefits to user even if there is zero enemies stand inside it. All 3 classes except Templar, so I think this is unbalanced thing.
3. My concern about Templar ultimates as I alredy mentioned above, and sadly reason why people see Templars in PvP as healbots - all class ultimates are defensive, except Crescent Sweep that is semi-offensive. As result we can't hope on our ults to burn targets or help to burst it down much faster but simply to allow caster and his teammates to live longer. I think this is unaaceptable thing and msut be changed: for example remember Celestial Warrior Stars mechanic that deal small AoE damage while he channeling it or Rakkhat searing shadows or Ogre's Primal Heal that heal and also deal damage, why can't at least one morph of Rite of Passage to deal aoe damage to enemies instead of healing allies. This ult is already usefull for zergs and if you solo you willingly accept that ult will cut off it's full strength for 6x times.

Does great damage, range could be a bit larger. It's a good ultimate. With OP Ultimates like Soul Assault, Resto ult, and destro ult in this game however, it's difficult to choose radial sweep over one of those.