leepalmer95 wrote: »

Personally I dump all of that into infused and divines for more damage. It is much more than just 800 extra magic for me. With the proper multipliers (like mage guild passives) we are often talking about thousands.

I would rather kill something 20% faster than die 20% slower. Everyone can make that choice for themselves, and credit to you for a measured response. Generally when I bring this up the Impen Army comes out with pitchforks.

It's not thousands, it's a thousand at most. Will you stop posting impen is useless and spamming incorrect information backed up by exaggerated facts.

Most players will have around 65% extra dmg from crits, 75% for templars/nb's and even higher if people decide to stack it.

Full divines gear will give you around 8% more crit chance or dmg if you choose thief, it'll give you like 60-70 regen or 50-60 wpn/spell dmg..

Full impen will give you 1750 crit resist, im not too sure how much is it because somethings changed apparently, but it used to be 3.7% reduction per 250 crit resist, so this would be around 25% reduction. 25% reduction of dmg on crits is so, so much better than going infused or divines.

"Sigh"

The choice to use Impenetrable or not soley depends on the class and spec, its by no means a "blanket meta" despite the claims many want you to think....it really depends on your playstyle, class, and overall build goals.

Impenetrable for all intents and purposes is useless on Light Armor, it always has been, just even more so now due to jacked penetration values.


If your Armor and Spell Resist is LESS then 15k(after buffs) then adding more Armor/Spell Resist will reduce the damage you take more then adding Crit Resist. Once you pass the 15k threshold adding crit resist is better.


Light Armor users could use Nirnhoned or Reinforced if they didn't suck so much, but since they suck use Divines.
Medium Armor users should have 2-3 Reinforced(To get to 15-16k) and the Rest Impenentrable
Heavy Armor should be all Impen as they will easily hit beyond that 15k marker

In the case of Light Armor, Impen is a waste...

If your a DK then Dampen Magic/Harness Magicka, Healing Ward, and Igenous Shield is your defense
If your a Templar Radiant Ward, Annulment, and Healing Ward is your defense
If your a Nightblade Annulement, Healing Ward, Double take, and Cloak is your defense
If your a Sorc Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka, and Healing Ward is your defense

Your just wasting traits using Impenetrable on Light Armor when you have an Armor rating of ZERO due to penetration values, and how poorly Crit Resistance scales with armor/sr ratings below 15k your dead if someone hits you with your shields down impenetrable or not...a damage shield, as large as you can get, and as many as you can cast is your best defense in Light Armor, wasting traits on Impentrable in Light Armor is just absolutely useless and will make very little difference on how much damage you take because your naked anyways....your far better off relying on Crit immunity damage shields provide....my DK has a HUGE Dampen Magic Shield that rivals my Sorcs 43k max magicka Hardened Ward(Could have more max magicka if i dual wield and went low regen), and stacking it with Healing or Igneous gives far better survival chances then 7 pieces of Impenetrable on toilet paper.

With Light Armor, you go big, or you go home....Damage Shields are your defense....they make you crit immune...focus on damage and large shields for cheap costs and you will live far longer...Impentrable only makes sense on Meduim and Heavy with the penetration values the way they are...YMMV i got big or go home...Impen does me no good when my uncritable shield is my defense and does a far better job at it too....good luck

Soris wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

I wonder if full reinforced heavy armor worth a thing.

It's certainly worth more than impen. Just don't tell that to Leepalmer.

Anyway, Lee, you're right in a way. You only do get an additional 800 magic from going all infused on your armor.

But then the multipliers kick in like mages guild, or Undaunted. Then you can even add in an enchant on just your shield for an additional 1041 by itself. I get an additional 5% from inner light, and then 6% more from my 3 mages guild abilities (IL again, meteor, and structured entropy). So it is fair to say that I get 800 + 1041 * 1.11 by using infused. You can debate that validity of me bringing shields into this, but I did it primarily to get more magic.

Final total: 2043, Undaunted would drive it higher. You're caught on what only impen would do. So much of this game is based on equipping things that make other things better.

Also, as stated, I think IMPEN is a waste, not crit resistance. I got 1003 of it from Champion Points. I could easily get twice that if I felt so inclined. A CP reallocation costs 3000 gold. An entire set of PVP worthy armor costs over a half million.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Light armor is as useful as heavy armor in the current penetration meta with one difference. Extra health.

Not giving up my magicka bonuses.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

Forgot to add crit dmg modifiers which nullifys impenetrable

Using the same thinking you could argue impen nullifies crit dmg modifiers.

How do I get my damage to hit like this in pvp? I've been deterred because my crystal frags will only crit for like 3.5k and you cant win a fight with that kind of damage...

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

Forgot to add crit dmg modifiers which nullifys impenetrable

Using the same thinking you could argue impen nullifies crit dmg modifiers.

Impen has a crit reduction cap of 50% Crit dmg has no cap,

NBs plus minor and major force plus shadow mundus equals 110% crit dmg canceling out impen.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

Forgot to add crit dmg modifiers which nullifys impenetrable

Using the same thinking you could argue impen nullifies crit dmg modifiers.

Impen has a crit reduction cap of 50% Crit dmg has no cap,

NBs plus minor and major force plus shadow mundus equals 110% crit dmg canceling out impen.

Major force for some builds is harder to achieve. But you can still get 99-101% crit easily using 40-50+ points in elfborn with minor force as a Templar/nightblade.