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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Forget meta builds
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phaseadept✭✭✭Unsent.Soul wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »Nobody thinks for themselves in this game. Everyone just goes on YouTube or twitch and copies a build if someone says it's good. It's ridiculous.
I've seen this since I started playing D2 LoD. I've experienced this up to this game.
It's something that will never go away, especially with twitch/youtube/redtube... people make their living off of the ability to showcase builds and gameplay.
Redtube?1 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭phaseadept wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »Nobody thinks for themselves in this game. Everyone just goes on YouTube or twitch and copies a build if someone says it's good. It's ridiculous.
I've seen this since I started playing D2 LoD. I've experienced this up to this game.
It's something that will never go away, especially with twitch/youtube/redtube... people make their living off of the ability to showcase builds and gameplay.
Redtube?
Please no.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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phaseadept✭✭✭phaseadept wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »Nobody thinks for themselves in this game. Everyone just goes on YouTube or twitch and copies a build if someone says it's good. It's ridiculous.
I've seen this since I started playing D2 LoD. I've experienced this up to this game.
It's something that will never go away, especially with twitch/youtube/redtube... people make their living off of the ability to showcase builds and gameplay.
Redtube?
Please no.
Trying to figure out why he mentioned that? I've never found a build there
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Avenias✭✭✭✭phaseadept wrote: »phaseadept wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »Nobody thinks for themselves in this game. Everyone just goes on YouTube or twitch and copies a build if someone says it's good. It's ridiculous.
I've seen this since I started playing D2 LoD. I've experienced this up to this game.
It's something that will never go away, especially with twitch/youtube/redtube... people make their living off of the ability to showcase builds and gameplay.
Redtube?
Please no.
Trying to figure out why he mentioned that? I've never found a build there
Real life builds3 -
Pandorii✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel like this is secretly a casual versus non casual player argument. It takes quite a bit of knowledge of the foundation of the game for players to experiment on builds. Having hidden stats on character sheets and no dummies makes it hard for new players to experiment. The meta build is easy to teach, and it's the non casuals that are telling the casuals what to run.
I'm pro soft caps but I don't think it'll fix build diversity, since most builds will hit a lot of soft caps and be essentially the same.
Build diversity can only come from a reformed mindset of the community of players. Feature changes can make it easier, like losing the power creep that creates 1 shot builds. Soft caps would help with that.Edited by Pandorii on 27 August 2016 08:261 -
Avenias✭✭✭✭I feel like this is secretly a casual versus non casual player argument. It takes quite a bit of knowledge of the foundation of the game for players to experiment on builds. Having hidden stats on character sheets and no dummies makes it hard for new players to experiment. The meta build is easy to teach, and it's the non casuals that are telling the casuals what to run.
I'm pro soft caps but I don't it'll fix build diversity, since most builds will hit a lot of soft caps and be essentially the same.
Build diversity can only come from a reformed mindset of the community of players. Feature changes can make it easier, like losing
Or by replacing "he who shall not be named."2 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hate having to follow the meta, but when I tell people I'm a stamina sorcerer DPS in heavy armour I either get flamed or kicked0 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WikileaksEU wrote: »Try to be creative and break the meta. If we do this, there will be more fun in PvP.
already ahead of ya. i'm an ice staff user
PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.0 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rhapsodious wrote: »Everyone should wear Morihaus and Skirmisher and literally roll over people.
My friends and I tried it and we at least confused the hell out of one person, so it was something.
That being said, meta tends to be meta because it works...
good god, imagine having 15-20 people at the exact same time dodge roll into you and kill you?PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.0 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭phaseadept wrote: »phaseadept wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »Nobody thinks for themselves in this game. Everyone just goes on YouTube or twitch and copies a build if someone says it's good. It's ridiculous.
I've seen this since I started playing D2 LoD. I've experienced this up to this game.
It's something that will never go away, especially with twitch/youtube/redtube... people make their living off of the ability to showcase builds and gameplay.
Redtube?
Please no.
Trying to figure out why he mentioned that? I've never found a build there
he slipped it in as humour since everyone watches it same as twitch and youtube
PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.0 -
DUTCH_REAPER✭✭✭✭✭
✭Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »Also, the massive amount of materials required to make CP160 gear makes people less inclined to try different things.
+1
This.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I feel like this is secretly a casual versus non casual player argument. It takes quite a bit of knowledge of the foundation of the game for players to experiment on builds. Having hidden stats on character sheets and no dummies makes it hard for new players to experiment. The meta build is easy to teach, and it's the non casuals that are telling the casuals what to run.
I'm pro soft caps but I don't think it'll fix build diversity, since most builds will hit a lot of soft caps and be essentially the same.
Build diversity can only come from a reformed mindset of the community of players. Feature changes can make it easier, like losing the power creep that creates 1 shot builds. Soft caps would help with that.
I'm a casual gamer and I ALWAYS make my own builds, and effectively at that. The better term to use for who relies on the meta would be the less-creative.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »For DPS, meta is meta for a reason. The math geeks figure out what is best.
If you want to break the Meta, @hedna123b14_ESO is the master. He has unorthodox builds for every class. One or two might have actually shifted the Meta.
In PVP, there is no Meta, just FOTM. Lots of ways to accomplish the same goal in PVP, but admittedly, some are better than others.
Not just that, but in many places the design outright requires it. Maelstrom and any dungeon/trial with a DPS check anyone?Edited by Doctordarkspawn on 27 August 2016 23:100 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »For DPS, meta is meta for a reason. The math geeks figure out what is best.
If you want to break the Meta, @hedna123b14_ESO is the master. He has unorthodox builds for every class. One or two might have actually shifted the Meta.
In PVP, there is no Meta, just FOTM. Lots of ways to accomplish the same goal in PVP, but admittedly, some are better than others.
Not just that, but in many places the design outright requires it. Maelstrom and any dungeon/trial with a DPS check anyone?
Yeah MSA that has dps checks but that same place also has mobs hitting way to hard, 6k light attacks off arrows? Really?
What do they want me to do? Build dps to be able to kill a boss in time or build or build tanky so the annoying mobs don't 3 hit me but then i'll fail the dps checks.
MSA is just aids to the game.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...3 -
Unsent.Soul✭✭✭✭✭
✭phaseadept wrote: »phaseadept wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »Nobody thinks for themselves in this game. Everyone just goes on YouTube or twitch and copies a build if someone says it's good. It's ridiculous.
I've seen this since I started playing D2 LoD. I've experienced this up to this game.
It's something that will never go away, especially with twitch/youtube/redtube... people make their living off of the ability to showcase builds and gameplay.
Redtube?
Please no.
Trying to figure out why he mentioned that? I've never found a build there
More or less a joke.phaseadept wrote: »phaseadept wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »Nobody thinks for themselves in this game. Everyone just goes on YouTube or twitch and copies a build if someone says it's good. It's ridiculous.
I've seen this since I started playing D2 LoD. I've experienced this up to this game.
It's something that will never go away, especially with twitch/youtube/redtube... people make their living off of the ability to showcase builds and gameplay.
Redtube?
Please no.
Trying to figure out why he mentioned that? I've never found a build there
he slipped it in as humour since everyone watches it same as twitch and youtube
This is true!0
