Any other Mag Sorcs running Heavy Armor? I'm lovin' it!

Emma_Overload · August 2016

I've been wearing 5-1-1 Heavy on my PvP build for the last week or so, and, to my surprise, I've found that it's quite viable. Here is my current gear:

5 pc Black Rose (all Impenetrable)
2 pc Torug's Pact (Infused, Sharpened Destro staff)
1 pc Molag Kena (Infused)
3 pc Willpower (all Spell Power enchants)

This gives me around 39K Magicka and 3100 Spell Damage. My Magicka Regen is only around 1000, but the Black Rose enhanced Constitution passive (usually) makes up for it. Here are the main benefits I've found from my Black Rose build:

1) Vastly improved survivability when Wards are down.
2) Always enough Stamina to CC break (thanks to Constitution).
3) Intimidation and "swagger" factor from rolling Heavy.

The one downside I've found is the reduced penetration.

Anyway, here is a short 1v3 video that demonstrates the extra tanky "cling to life" quality of wearing 5 Heavy Impen...

https://youtu.be/XlSOHJogrUM

Any other Heavy Metal Sorcs out there? What are your thoughts?

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

Nice work

What are your physical and spell resistances?

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

I'm getting similar results in 5 light and 2 heavy with defending staves and boundless storm, I don't have undaunted mettle. I have 37k magicka and about 3k spell damage buffed with 23k spell and physical resistance and 1900 crit resistance. The damage reduction from vamp helps too, takes the panic out of a ward cast.

Emma_Overload · August 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nice work

What are your physical and spell resistances?

When fully buffed, on my main bar, I've got 25K/20K Spell/Physical, with 30K/25K on my off bar. The reason for the difference is that my Destruction staff is Sharpened, while my Restoration staff is Defending. I'm a Breton so my Spell resist is higher. I should also mention that my CP are 100 into Bastion, with all the other points divided evenly between the physical, magical and critical damage stars.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nice work

What are your physical and spell resistances?

When fully buffed, on my main bar, I've got 25K/20K Spell/Physical, with 30K/25K on my off bar. The reason for the difference is that my Destruction staff is Sharpened, while my Restoration staff is Defending. I'm a Breton so my Spell resist is higher. I should also mention that my CP are 100 into Bastion, with all the other points divided evenly between the physical, magical and critical damage stars.

Nice. If I ever manage to rank up undaunted I might try 5 heavy

Waffennacht · August 2016

I've found that wards and the heavy passive wrath do not work well together (as a hit has to deal damage to health to activate wrath)

Outside of that, it seems pretty good

And your vid is of you vs. What the highest level was... 300 something?

I wanna see a build that with stands the 531 flare, cc ing, 21K RD in 5 secs and survives. Im wondering if any sorc build can give them a run for their money

Mayrael · August 2016

Yeah ive also noticed that the presure on you wasnt so great same as the presure you did to them. Ive tried deifferent mixes of armors for magica toons and 5 heavy armor doesnt suit me best. Ill just tell that on my magplar I run 5 LA 2 HA, on my dps bar I have 30k spell ressist, 23k physical ressist (yeah with 5 LA, on def bar you can add ca 6k to these values), fully buffed have 3,5k spell dmg (with weapon enchant, without 3,2), 10k spell penetration, 1,7k mag regen, 1,2 stam regen (with drinks but not counting 20% regen from pots), 55% crit spell, 2k in crit resist, 21k health, 30k magica, 11k stamina and can tell you that this toon is a monster. Ive run something close to that on my sorc but with a bit higher mag regen and lower resists and... This was a monster to but, it needs no lag enviorment as it depends more on mobility and good timing of burst so in general its harder to play.

Lord-Otto · August 2016

I'm sure you can't kill anyone halfway competent with heavy armor. I'm not saying it's a bad thing you're suggesting, but magsorcs already hit like a wet noodle and have 90% of their dps dodged. You are suggesting a brick build here, and even if you survive a bit longer with this, you just won't kill and your enemies will just pile up on you. In short, you're bringing nothing to the table.
Furthermore, it's a really bad synergy between shields, impen, spell pen and heavy armor. Shields make impen redundant, as they make high resistances redundant. It's harder for mag builds to get the major breech debuff than stam builds can get major fracture. Unless you're running Elemental Drain, your damage is kinda dependant on light armor. And even with heavy armor, you still got sustain issues with fast-expiring shields and questionable stamina reserves (no blocking, too). Any halfway competent stamina build will either one or twoshot you, or simply dodge and mitigate more damage than you, while keeping up hard pressure.
What this means is sorcs aren't designed to be tanky. I know Wroebel is afraid of ->Overload Crit Tanks<-, but the hard truth is that mag sorcs SUCK at the moment, and people are just conducting damage control. We need a buff to staff damage and/or a spammable dps move, a slight and tested buff to shield duration or an automatic refresh mechanic for when you have to go 100% offense, and a slight buff to light armor res, so that it's on par with medium armor.
Until that happens, sigh, just re-roll or accept you're second-class, even if you're an experienced player (I know you are). Sorry.
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But thanks for trying to help us sorcs out there!

Emma_Overload · August 2016

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I'm sure you can't kill anyone halfway competent with heavy armor. I'm not saying it's a bad thing you're suggesting, but magsorcs already hit like a wet noodle and have 90% of their dps dodged. You are suggesting a brick build here, and even if you survive a bit longer with this, you just won't kill and your enemies will just pile up on you. In short, you're bringing nothing to the table.
Furthermore, it's a really bad synergy between shields, impen, spell pen and heavy armor. Shields make impen redundant, as they make high resistances redundant. It's harder for mag builds to get the major breech debuff than stam builds can get major fracture. Unless you're running Elemental Drain, your damage is kinda dependant on light armor. And even with heavy armor, you still got sustain issues with fast-expiring shields and questionable stamina reserves (no blocking, too). Any halfway competent stamina build will either one or twoshot you, or simply dodge and mitigate more damage than you, while keeping up hard pressure.
What this means is sorcs aren't designed to be tanky. I know Wroebel is afraid of ->Overload Crit Tanks<-, but the hard truth is that mag sorcs SUCK at the moment, and people are just conducting damage control. We need a buff to staff damage and/or a spammable dps move, a slight and tested buff to shield duration or an automatic refresh mechanic for when you have to go 100% offense, and a slight buff to light armor res, so that it's on par with medium armor.
Until that happens, sigh, just re-roll or accept you're second-class, even if you're an experienced player (I know you are). Sorry.
=/
But thanks for trying to help us sorcs out there!

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that Sorcs are in good shape... I know that we are not! My point is that Heavy Armor isn't too bad to use as a "daily driver". It seems to get the job done, given the limitations Sorcs have to deal with anyway (low damage output as you mentioned, for example).

You are also right about hard-hitting stamina builds. They are difficult to deal with no matter how much armor you are wearing. What I have found wearing Heavy for a week is that I'm going to kill the same guys I was going to kill in Light Armor, and I'm going to die to the same guys that were going going to kill me anyway. Given all that... I figure I may as well wear Heavy and look like a bad-ass, LOL.

Mayrael · August 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I'm sure you can't kill anyone halfway competent with heavy armor. I'm not saying it's a bad thing you're suggesting, but magsorcs already hit like a wet noodle and have 90% of their dps dodged. You are suggesting a brick build here, and even if you survive a bit longer with this, you just won't kill and your enemies will just pile up on you. In short, you're bringing nothing to the table.
Furthermore, it's a really bad synergy between shields, impen, spell pen and heavy armor. Shields make impen redundant, as they make high resistances redundant. It's harder for mag builds to get the major breech debuff than stam builds can get major fracture. Unless you're running Elemental Drain, your damage is kinda dependant on light armor. And even with heavy armor, you still got sustain issues with fast-expiring shields and questionable stamina reserves (no blocking, too). Any halfway competent stamina build will either one or twoshot you, or simply dodge and mitigate more damage than you, while keeping up hard pressure.
What this means is sorcs aren't designed to be tanky. I know Wroebel is afraid of ->Overload Crit Tanks<-, but the hard truth is that mag sorcs SUCK at the moment, and people are just conducting damage control. We need a buff to staff damage and/or a spammable dps move, a slight and tested buff to shield duration or an automatic refresh mechanic for when you have to go 100% offense, and a slight buff to light armor res, so that it's on par with medium armor.
Until that happens, sigh, just re-roll or accept you're second-class, even if you're an experienced player (I know you are). Sorry.
=/
But thanks for trying to help us sorcs out there!

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that Sorcs are in good shape... I know that we are not! My point is that Heavy Armor isn't too bad to use as a "daily driver". It seems to get the job done, given the limitations Sorcs have to deal with anyway (low damage output as you mentioned, for example).

You are also right about hard-hitting stamina builds. They are difficult to deal with no matter how much armor you are wearing. What I have found wearing Heavy for a week is that I'm going to kill the same guys I was going to kill in Light Armor, and I'm going to die to the same guys that were going going to kill me anyway. Given all that... I figure I may as well wear Heavy and look like a bad-ass, LOL.

This

I love especialy Aldmeri Dominion Heavy Armor style, I died a bit inside when I had to resign from it ;P

jhharvest · August 2016

I'd like to try it but I'm not sure I could sustain enough in a no CP campaign in 5H, even if I did run Seducer 5pc. Maybe if I changed spell power enchants on jewellery to reduced cost but then I think I'd do no damage at all. That Black Rose set looks good though. Not sure.

I'm currently running a no shields light armour sorc as a joke of some sort. It's absolutely terrible against... Well, anyone who tries to hit me. But I still manage 10/1 KD if I'm not completely alone.

psychotic13 · August 2016

Heavy armor is great for my sorc also, run about 5k SD, 2.5k Magicka regen 1.4k stamina regen but only 21k Health and 32.5k Magicka. I prefer the regen though

iam117 · August 2016

Prior to my current build I was running 4x magnus 3x elf bane vma/willpower 5 heavy 2 light, was fun and tanky