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Why can't magic users sneak attack?
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Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
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✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Not lore friendly is my guess.
Try telling that to him http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Festus_KrexPS4 NA
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✭The shadow dancer set seems to be for that. At least, it seems to be for magicka ganking.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You can sneak attack with some nightblade abilities. It's that a lot of other class abilities are configured specifically to remove you from stealth first, without really any explanation to why.2 -
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✭✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
Magicka attacks do benefit from stealth attack, have you never tried it?
Also, Bosmer and Khajiit stealth damage bonuses apply to magicka abilities.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
Magicka attacks do benefit from stealth attack, have you never tried it?
Also, Bosmer and Khajiit stealth damage bonuses apply to magicka abilities.
A lot of Magicka attacks remove stealth before dealing damage. It's kinda annoying, and those don't benefit from sneak attacks, or get bonus stealth damage.1 -
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
Magicka attacks do benefit from stealth attack, have you never tried it?
Also, Bosmer and Khajiit stealth damage bonuses apply to magicka abilities.
A lot of Magicka attacks remove stealth before dealing damage. It's kinda annoying, and those don't benefit from sneak attacks, or get bonus stealth damage.
Can you explain which abilities you are talking about?
When you are in stealth and fire off an ability that has a travel time (like fire staff heavy attack) it may appear that your stealth is broken before the attack hits the target due to the animation sequence, but the damage on the enemy is still calculated as though you are in stealth. This is the only way to get the crazy high heavy attack damage.0 -
makreth✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
Magicka attacks do benefit from stealth attack, have you never tried it?
Also, Bosmer and Khajiit stealth damage bonuses apply to magicka abilities.
A lot of Magicka attacks remove stealth before dealing damage. It's kinda annoying, and those don't benefit from sneak attacks, or get bonus stealth damage.
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Ffastyl✭✭✭✭✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Not lore friendly is my guess.
Try telling that to him http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Festus_Krex
Magics are made and lost through the ages. Who remembers the spells of levitation? Or the specialty of frost magic? Just as in the future, schools of magic are created and spells are made to silence other spells. And yet knowledge of magic will continue to dwindle through the ages... From 7 schools to 5 in a mere 2 centuries..."A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
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✭✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
Magicka attacks do benefit from stealth attack, have you never tried it?
Also, Bosmer and Khajiit stealth damage bonuses apply to magicka abilities.
A lot of Magicka attacks remove stealth before dealing damage. It's kinda annoying, and those don't benefit from sneak attacks, or get bonus stealth damage.
Can you explain which abilities you are talking about?
When you are in stealth and fire off an ability that has a travel time (like fire staff heavy attack) it may appear that your stealth is broken before the attack hits the target due to the animation sequence, but the damage on the enemy is still calculated as though you are in stealth. This is the only way to get the crazy high heavy attack damage.
I'm actually thinking of Shards off hand. I remember running into similar issues with a bunch of sorc abilities, however. The only one that might get a sneak attack is Fury. And, no you'll actually leave stealth after you start casting but before the projectile leaves your hands, as I recall, so no sneak attack bonus.0 -
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✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
Magicka attacks do benefit from stealth attack, have you never tried it?
Also, Bosmer and Khajiit stealth damage bonuses apply to magicka abilities.
A lot of Magicka attacks remove stealth before dealing damage. It's kinda annoying, and those don't benefit from sneak attacks, or get bonus stealth damage.
Can you explain which abilities you are talking about?
When you are in stealth and fire off an ability that has a travel time (like fire staff heavy attack) it may appear that your stealth is broken before the attack hits the target due to the animation sequence, but the damage on the enemy is still calculated as though you are in stealth. This is the only way to get the crazy high heavy attack damage.
Bonus damage, yes, but not 100% crit chance+stun. I couldn't give a hoot if I get 5% bonus damage from stealth, but gimme my 100% crit chance so I can do 20k guaranteed staff heavy crits from stealth+behind!Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
Magicka attacks do benefit from stealth attack, have you never tried it?
Also, Bosmer and Khajiit stealth damage bonuses apply to magicka abilities.
A lot of Magicka attacks remove stealth before dealing damage. It's kinda annoying, and those don't benefit from sneak attacks, or get bonus stealth damage.
Can you explain which abilities you are talking about?
When you are in stealth and fire off an ability that has a travel time (like fire staff heavy attack) it may appear that your stealth is broken before the attack hits the target due to the animation sequence, but the damage on the enemy is still calculated as though you are in stealth. This is the only way to get the crazy high heavy attack damage.
Bonus damage, yes, but not 100% crit chance+stun. I couldn't give a hoot if I get 5% bonus damage from stealth, but gimme my 100% crit chance so I can do 20k guaranteed staff heavy crits from stealth+behind!
Isn't that specifically for the nightblade ability surprise attack.0 -
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✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Magic has lower damage lower sustain lower defense (both damage and CC defense) to top it off magic doesn't get a gank bonus from stealth WHY can't magic sneak attack? I don't know about you but a fireball from a dark alley is just as if not more surprising than an arrow or blade hitting you in the back.
To be fair...a fireball coming at me from a dark alley is a lot easier to spot than an arrow
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