How is it fair to get a group timer penalty for getting kicked cause leader wants his friend in?

Deathgiggle · August 2016

I waited almost 2 hours in group finder and finally get into a group. Soon as we zoned in a person left and they re-qued for a replacement. Replacement got there and we started to head inside but the leader said he had a buddy that came online and wanted in. He looks around, focuses on me and said lets kick this guy he looks like a noob. 20 seconds later I get a message that I've been removed and kicked from the group. It ports me out and I try to que for another dungeon but I have a penalty for leaving a group too soon.

I don't know if a couple of them knew each other or were in the same guild. All I know is I should not be penalized for just wanting to run a dungeon and waiting a very long time, only to be kicked cause someone wants their friend in.

jeedrzej · August 2016

Its sad...

But not system, just players did it.

They propably used "Vote to kick" system and all them voted to kick you...

Players can be really horrible...

RebornV3x · August 2016

the group finder penalty is the reason I won't use it. Its a dumb idea and should be taken out.

Apocalypse1981 · August 2016

Ppl used to fish for good grps so they would leave grp and requeue to get a better grp (higher lvl).
They would repeat the process for a long time and that disrupted the whole system.
Thats the reason the implemented the penalty.

If You dont get the penalty when you get kicked ppl would just abuse it, they would either ask other team members to kick them or they would just go afk to get kicked or even troll to get kicked so they can avoid the penalty.

Ppl are the issue, not the system.

sirrmattus · August 2016

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Kelces · August 2016

I totally agree. It would be better to note the name of an unwanted individual and give the group the ability to remove certain individuals again, if they show up again. This would simply make the former automatic mechanism manual and even gives the player the opportunity to fit into a group at a later time.

More social, more personal responsibility.

Garldeen · August 2016

The vote kicking idea is good, in theory. However, you should only get the penalty if you leave the group yourself. To get a penalty for the actions of others is a pain. I've never been removed from PVE groups, however, have been removed from PVP groups a couple of times because they needed space for friends and that is a pain even without the 15 min wait.

daroule1982 · August 2016

Tip from Felix the Crazed: Always pre-make a group and use the RDF. End of this one's story.

Jeremy · August 2016

Similar thing happened with me other day.

The tank (who assured me he was the best tank in ESO) sent me a whisper commanding me to vote and kick one of the DPS from the group so his buddy could join. When I refused to vote yes he left the group and the run went bust.

I got a whisper from him later calling me weird.

oRioNoTime · August 2016

Is the group finder working? I just write "LFM random dungeon" in Stormheaven (DC) and then queue with the finder when we are full...

Dracane · August 2016

Because otherwise, you could exploit. You could just stay inside the dungeon and do the boss with 5 people or more.

Deathgiggle · August 2016

oRioNoTime wrote: »

Is the group finder working? I just write "LFM random dungeon" in Stormheaven (DC) and then queue with the finder when we are full...

On PS4 we have no text chat yet but I was told it's coming. No text chat makes it sort of difficult to sell items or find groups without using the Groupfinder or a guild trader.

pecheckler · August 2016

I just stopped queuing on PS4. It's a no win situation. There are trolls kicking players until they find someone who they want. And they don't have to worry about that same player requeueing and ending up in their group before kicking them gives them a 15 minute timer.

Markdechene1 · August 2016

Queued up last night, leader disbanded immediately so had to wait 15 mins before queuing again. Seems pretty dumb

Bromburak · August 2016

ZOS believes in statistics, so show them that something is wrong by not using the group finder any longer ...
Sorry, but that is the only way players and bugs get the required attention.

Andreakoss · August 2016

Had the same issue, entered a dungeon, said i was new, and that was my first time in there, istant kick.

15 mins penalty, and 2 more hours of queue

visionality · August 2016

There shouldn't be a 15 min cooldown-timer when being kicked.

BUT kicking ppl from groups is necessary in some situations. When using grouping tool you sometimes get a groupmate who's permanently afk cause he started his group finder 1 hour ago and totally forgot about it. Or you get ppl who queue up for dungeons that they are absolutely not fit for.

Personally I hate kicking ppl from groups, but sometimes it's just unavoidable.

mildlylucid · August 2016

Only times I've ever kicked a player like that is when the group finder glitched and put me and my 2 mates into a group of 5 and my mate was the one left out of the dungeon, so bye-bye lowest level player. Felt a bit guilty but I blame the group finder for that.

Also (bit off topic but hey), this one time there was 3 of us in a group queuing for a random dungeon. Then I get the message that the group has been disbanded, but my friends are in the dungeon with 2 randoms. The group finder literally kicked me from a group, luckily I hadn't actually found a dungeon so there was no cooldown for me.

altemriel · August 2016

the timer penalty should only apply to leavers, not for disbanded groups or for kicked ones.

but the leader can kick anyone he/she wants, deal with it !!

Bryanonymous · August 2016

Wow, I did not know this existed, and I instantly hate it. OP, I feel your pain, brah. This is a ridiculous penalty. I had to scroll half way down the page to find out it was 15 minutes. I think there is a big difference between if it was 5 minutes and it being 15. That's a fairly long time to wait for something that was not your own fault, especially since the group finder already sucks and is extremely frustrating on its own. Features like these are put in place by developers who are out of touch with the base, and are catering to a minority of elite try hards who don't want players to quit during their run, so they implament a punishment which can and is exploited by those with the ability to do so. Most games with this type of penalty have a strike system which builds up the time based on how frequently you quit, and resets over time based on your participation.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

The system they put in feels like it is half done and poorly thought out.

UltimaJoe777 · August 2016

Everyone knows and agrees the timer is total crap, but as some have said it may be necessary in some cases. However, they should at least reduce the time. I'd say 1 minute is fair, not too long and not too short.

rbedsole · August 2016

I agree with OP I was in queue when it popped I was kicked before I even had a chance to port to the dungeon

MopeyHat · August 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Everyone knows and agrees the timer is total crap, but as some have said it may be necessary in some cases. However, they should at least reduce the time. I'd say 1 minute is fair, not too long and not too short.

It's not "necessary" in any case, I think. It's clear that the number of people negatively affected by it vastly outnumbers the people it rightfully punishes.

Why would you introduce something that only has the ability to explicitly cause pain amongst players in such a broken state? Why can't they remove it entirely? Were there really so many offenders doing this cherry-picking behavior compared to the the number of glitched or unfairly kicked players? It's not as if the average player is farming some incredible amount of resources from a queued dungeon that they need to put in a time buffer. Surely their servers are not so poor that they can't handle it? It's so anti-player friendly as to be mind-boggling.

I'm of a similar mind with the new gambling boxes, too. It's a shame they make decisions like these.

itsfatbass · August 2016

shredmeister1982 wrote: »

Tip from Felix the Crazed: Always pre-make a group and use the RDF. End of this one's story.

This was the problem. The leader of the group formed it and THEN his buddy logged in, and they decided to kick someone.