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This is the official discussion thread for the blog article ESO Live: Update 11 Special #1. Tune in Friday, June 24th for a brand new episode of our Twitch show, ESO Live, and a first look at Shadows of the Hist, the Style Parlor, and more content coming with Update 11!
Will my Redguard vampire finally be able to get rid of his silly purpleness with the style parlor? That is the question...
Just watched the show of the new DLC. ... but there is no DLC. Just two dungeons. In three months a game company having seven-million advertised playerbase produces content consisting of two new dungeons. What was the rest of the company doing? Did they exhaust themselves doing the two previous mini-DLCs TG and DB?
Just watched the show of the new DLC. ... but there is no DLC. Just two dungeons. In three months a game company having seven-million advertised playerbase produces content consisting of two new dungeons. What was the rest of the company doing? Did they exhaust themselves doing the two previous mini-DLCs TG and DB?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I had read the article but waited for the show to know more. Unfortunately my "fears" happen to be justified.
Basically the new update is... 2 x 4-man dungeons.
The rest is... crown store updates.
In my opinion, presenting the two combined is abusively misleading. Buying the DLC will NOT grant you access to the dye and appearance change systems without paying extra in crowns, and buying tokens for these in the crown store will NOT grant you access to the new dungeons.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind ZOS trying to make money. But I do mind when crown store stuff is presented as "DLC content".
lordrichter wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I had read the article but waited for the show to know more. Unfortunately my "fears" happen to be justified.
Basically the new update is... 2 x 4-man dungeons.
The rest is... crown store updates.
In my opinion, presenting the two combined is abusively misleading. Buying the DLC will NOT grant you access to the dye and appearance change systems without paying extra in crowns, and buying tokens for these in the crown store will NOT grant you access to the new dungeons.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind ZOS trying to make money. But I do mind when crown store stuff is presented as "DLC content".
I agree that they are becoming heavy on paid content in the Updates, and this one is a shining example of pay to play. The difference between DLC and base game comtent seems clear to me. I don't see them saying anything but the dungeons are "DLC content". Maybe because I know the difference, I missed where they said or implied it.
According to the last ESO Twitch broadcast, most of their team are trying to fix the console versions.Hence the lack of support tickets answered, that and the new Japanese Client.Pangnirtung wrote: »
Apparently August and sooner on the PTS.thestampede38 wrote: »when will the update come out again?
SlayerSyrena wrote: »Access to so many new hairstyles in that video and we only see three new ones ... One weave, one beard and one fugly hairstyle looking like it's woven in the shape of the Titanic when it was sinking ... (Just, why ...)
*wants to see some new spiky/wild hairstyles so badly*
tspecherb14_ESO wrote: »So ,there is no in-game barbershop, just crown store. I would have thought a happy middle ground could have been found to make this more immersive (add more to cities, be a gold sink, etc) yet be immensely profitable. Other, older games have done an in-game shop for the hairstyle/look aspect and store option for race/name changes. Other than that, glad to see it coming.
What I am saying is that there should be NPC ‘s who sell the tickets at 100K or higher which climbs in price for each time you buy one and/or rare drops form bosses in DLC areas.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »What I am saying is that there should be NPC ‘s who sell the tickets at 100K or higher which climbs in price for each time you buy one and/or rare drops form bosses in DLC areas.
Hell, no.
If there's to be an ingame option for such "services" (barbershop, dyes, etc...) those should be reasonably obtainable ingame. At least, this way it's clear and not ambiguous in any way : you want it, you pay for it in real currency. This is not a game element, this is a business element, an extra product offered to you.
If they started with an hypocritical "you can obtain it ingame by grinding boss X and Y with a chance of 0.000000001% per try, I'd be furious. Because of the hypocrisy.
The road chosen by ZOS is pretty clear. First, they offered a somewhat equivalent game experience obtainable by two different payment options. Now, with the dyes but mostly with the crafting bag, they're offering TWO DIFFERENT GAME EXPERIENCES at two different prices. Only those with little to no interest in farming/crafting/trading consider the crafting bag as a not-so-meaningful option. For everyone else, it IS a game-changing feature. Not P2W, sure, but game changing. B2P/crown players have now a clearly lesser game experience as compared to subbers. And we/they can feel that every 10 minutes, when they ask their group to stop because bag is full, because they have to relog to their mules to transfer their crafting mats, because they make choices in what they farm as opposed to subbers who can hoard everything and anything.
I unsubbed as soon as the game became B2P. Why ? Because buying all DLCs in crowns is, mathematically, cheaper than subbing, and since ZOS is a profit company and not a charity or some "big cause" I'd like to support, I don't see why I'd choose the more expensive option for the same game experience.
I resubbed with Dark Brotherhood update. Why ? Because, while buying all DLCs is still cheaper than subbing, it does not refer to an identical game experience anymore. The crafting bag changes everything.
I am personally not angry - because mathematically, the whole year I paid DLCs in crowns instead of subbing still saved me money. But I can understand why some B2P/crown players are angry. We were "promised" (whatever that means) the same game experience for both subbers and non-subbers, and now, non subbers clearly get a lesser game experience if they persist in not subbing. Dyes will just add even more differences.
I'm not saying any of this is good/bad, justified/unjustified. All I'm saying is : that's how it is. With the crafting bags, the offer has changed from "1 game, 2 different payment methods", to "2 different games at different prices".
But if they were baiting me for some endless grinding "catch the very rare thing if you can", then I'd be EXTREMELY angry.
I agree, I would be mad if the only way to get barber shop tokens was by grinding bosses for hours on end.
but that's where your argument is flawed, I never said that grinding bosses for the drop or buying tokens for 100K and higher should be the only option. I was saying that there should be very hard to obtain alternative form paying crowns for those of us that don't have a lot of money to pay for these things.
oh i understand now. good point, and yes that's my position.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I agree, I would be mad if the only way to get barber shop tokens was by grinding bosses for hours on end.
but that's where your argument is flawed, I never said that grinding bosses for the drop or buying tokens for 100K and higher should be the only option. I was saying that there should be very hard to obtain alternative form paying crowns for those of us that don't have a lot of money to pay for these things.
I'm afraid I don't understand your position.
You're saying there should be two ways to get the tokens : 1/ paying crowns 2/ earning it ingame but it should be very hard. Am I understanding correctly ?
What I say is that I disagree with the fact that it should be very hard. It should be reasonably difficult, (like for instance getting perfect roe to make ambrosia).
I'd be angry if there were ingame token to be found, but as rare as a full glass motif book (for instance).