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Another Cheat/Exploit in Cyrodiil (Ebony EU)

nk125x
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Last night was is a small group chasing a small group of reds who were able to get inside actual keeps without a siege (I mean inner keep) - They were flipling flags and stealing scroll - This went on and on until we got bored chasing and fighting these same guys around the map,

Spoke to a guild member who saw them literally walk through walls. (seen by a number of people).

This morning map red. Hope they are proud as only way they can get emp is late night and by cheating.

BTW think it has something to do with chains, but there again they wern't all dks
  • Paulington
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    There is a known bug where keep walls (and often postern doors) do not show up for some players and I've had this happen to me as well.

    However exploiting it is definitely something you should report.
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    There also was this amusing video of someone being chain-pulled right through a wall :)
    Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!
  • KingMagaw
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    I also have used my gap closer Ambush and been sucked through various walls. Only seen this the rare time though, but pretty frustrating as i warp inside to heaps of npcs and enemy.

    Working as intended no doubt - wait is that a new cosmetic item in crown store??? LOL
  • QuebraRegra
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    KingMagaw wrote: »
    I also have used my gap closer Ambush and been sucked through various walls. Only seen this the rare time though, but pretty frustrating as i warp inside to heaps of npcs and enemy.

    Working as intended no doubt - wait is that a new cosmetic item in crown store??? LOL

    yup! I usta use ambush to gap close guys at the door to keep them from getting away, but I got yanked inside too many times... YOU CAN'T BACK OUT! I'm far more cautious about using it around doors now.

    You'd have to have a few numbers to flip flags, etc, I doubt it was the old spambusg bug.
  • swirve
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    I wonder if this is azura where the green alliance zergs have been taking a whooping so they cry about stuff...
  • Recremen
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    There's many keeps that you can get into the inner from the towers on the outer with certain gap-closers (looking at you Nightblades) and leap from DK. Dunno if that's a bug so much as entirely intended behavior. I'd say that getting through the outer without using siege is a no-no, but if people are going to just stand around on the oil ledges then heaven help them. If it's the thing where people can Ambush through doors or whatever, though, then yeah, that's not cool.
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  • alexkdd99
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    nk125x wrote: »
    Last night was is a small group chasing a small group of reds who were able to get inside actual keeps without a siege (I mean inner keep) - They were flipling flags and stealing scroll - This went on and on until we got bored chasing and fighting these same guys around the map,

    Spoke to a guild member who saw them literally walk through walls. (seen by a number of people).

    This morning map red. Hope they are proud as only way they can get emp is late night and by cheating.

    BTW think it has something to do with chains, but there again they wern't all dks

    Not defending anyone cheating but saying the only way someone can get emp is late night applies to every campaign I have been in. I am not saying people don't get emp during max server pop, but to say EP is the only faction obtaining emp during YOUR off hours is kind of crazy. Not all people in all factions have same time zone or same playing times. Also if people are watching offers walk through walls then why not just record and report instead of posting here
  • Osteos
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    They were able to flip the flags without the keep being under attack?
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  • nk125x
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    They were able to flip the flags without the keep being under attack?

    Yes
  • Pomaikai
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    Exploited as intended.

    You know, when people post videos of themselves doing bad things, the authorities happily bust them. ZOS should do the same thing here with the player in that video.
  • hamgatan
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    nk125x wrote: »
    This morning map red. Hope they are proud as only way they can get emp is late night and by cheating.

    you do realise that pretty much most of the Australian player base is EP right? and that our prime time is the late night for you lot?

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  • Ch4mpTW
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    You know it's funny...

    This is an exploit that is very much so game breaking. But, because it's not economy-based, and it's transpiring in PVP -- it's thought light of. There's not that many posts in responses to this very serious exploit. There's not even talk of the numerous exploits by the Zenimax team, and no servers being taken for a quick hotfix to stop this nonsense. No official comments from @ZOS_GinaBruno about it either, and neither will there be probably. Funny how the PVP crowd is forced to crunch the bullet again, and just take it on the chin. Meanwhile if it's PVE-oriented or economy-based, everyone loses their minds.
  • Inarre
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    You know it's funny...

    This is an exploit that is very much so game breaking. But, because it's not economy-based, and it's transpiring in PVP -- it's thought light of. There's not that many posts in responses to this very serious exploit. There's not even talk of the numerous exploits by the Zenimax team, and no servers being taken for a quick hotfix to stop this nonsense. No official comments from @ZOS_GinaBruno about it either, and neither will there be probably. Funny how the PVP crowd is forced to crunch the bullet again, and just take it on the chin. Meanwhile if it's PVE-oriented or economy-based, everyone loses their minds.

    Pvp exploits are rarely addressed because it's such a heavy area i imagine. You would need proof like that video otherwise people just think your salty.

    Not to mention its a slippery slope, you adress one exploit, then people want you to intervene cheaters logging cross alliance to help the enemy.
  • nk125x
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    Had a day to think about this since my op. Am finding it had to get enthusiasm about the campaign.

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    hamgatan wrote: »
    nk125x wrote: »
    This morning map red. Hope they are proud as only way they can get emp is late night and by cheating.

    you do realise that pretty much most of the Australian player base is EP right? and that our prime time is the late night for you lot?

    ...cry me a river Dominion princess.

    I happen to be Blue. The fact that the example shown is video is blue makes me sad that on other campaigns blues are doing this also.

    I dont mind people night capping to get emp, but resorting to exploits (cheats) is the thing I am against.
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    The flags won't flip until the keep is flagged.

    The scrolls however... yah there are ways to get in. From the video above to the more simple "log in on your "X" alliance character and allow a "Y" alliance character to leap at you.
  • Turelus
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    nk125x wrote: »
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    Just wow...

    Not really surprising though these kinds of tactics have been in the game since day one and are rarely enforced. Even though somewhere on these forums there is a statement from a developer saying that entering a keep in any way without lowering the walls is an exploit.

    Once again I guess we're just back to the flavour of the month argument which is do ZOS enforce their rules and if so how far do they actually go with things?
    Edited by [Deleted User] on 3 May 2016 18:07
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  • Cryptical
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    nk125x wrote: »
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    A couple/few weeks ago I was heading out to do some of the daily town quests, and the npc's in the keep I transit-shrined to were all laying on the ground dead. I ran around but no walls were breached. It was weird, arriving in a completely dead yet still locked keep. I figured some random weird bug was the cause, and went on my way. Now, maybe it wasn't a bug.

    No, I don't remember what keep it was. Not even sure which campaign it was.

    I will say, it looks to me like the video was made specifically to show those flaws. How many does it take to flip a flag? Take that number inside as shown to hollow out the keep, and when that's done have 2 outside running 2 trebuchets each to flag the keep. Once it's flagged, stop the sieges and the inside team flips the flags, all they have to repair is the semi-damaged outer wall.
    Edited by [Deleted User] on 3 May 2016 18:07
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  • Ch4mpTW
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    Someone should bring this up at the next ESO Live stream. As this is a legitimate concern/issue. There's a lot of little nefarious exploits/glitches happening in PVP that get swept under the rug. But luckily, there's video evidence now of one of them taking place. Now to get get video documented proof of the others.
  • nk125x
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    danno8 wrote: »
    The flags won't flip until the keep is flagged.

    The scrolls however... yah there are ways to get in. From the video above to the more simple "log in on your "X" alliance character and allow a "Y" alliance character to leap at you.

    Yes they did - Cyrodill Alert said Ash naive under no control - we got there to find the person and his buddy about to turn the top flag
  • DurzoBlint13
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    this is not even the worst exploit. Wait till you find the guy in first place for the campaign in your faction having his buddies in other alliances attack keeps while he sits back and collects defense ticks for doing nothing. Or you see a line formed in a remote area and one guy in front killing the other players and they run back from the keep and stand in line again to be killed again. I have seen both of these things happen and have even overheard a guild trying to recruit players by saying they do this and will guarantee you the Emp if they meet a specific price and join the guild. By joining the guild you are becoming an accomplish and subject to the same punishment if you rat on them
  • Osteos
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    That is definitely cheating/exploiting using eclipse and talons. I have used talons in Darkshade Caverns during the Grobull fight and been shot all over the map. It needs to be fixed and quickly. My biggest grievance is that this and other exploits shouldn't take 3-6 months or longer to fix.

    I would keep this thread about that exploit- using the mage guard's eclipse to get into the inner keep-and avoid talking or arguing about boosting or night capping. The video provides perfect evidence of the exploit.

    I am still skeptical about being able to flip the flags if the keep isn't under attack. Recently at Dragonclaw, DC defended against EP and while the majority of DC followed to clear out the rest of the ep in the courtyard some ep rezzed and tried to flip the back flag. They were killed before guards spawned but after the flag had turned red. The keep was repaired and no longer UA so we couldnt change it back. The results:

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    A red flag with Covenant Guards:

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  • Mordiez
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    Seen a few blues doing this the other day on NA only they were coming thru the floors in the corners
    Edited by Mordiez on 3 May 2016 17:36
  • [Deleted User]
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    Hello everyone,

    This message is to inform you that we've recently removed several posts for containing a video demonstrating an exploit used to ninja oneself into an enemy keep in Cyrodiil. Though it did not explain fully how to do the exploit, some users may be able to replicate most parts with some examination. Please be sure to refrain from re-posting such videos, to avoid anymore loss of scrolls in this manner.

    Thank you for understanding!
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  • Runs
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    Hello everyone,

    This message is to inform you that we've recently removed several posts for containing a video demonstrating an exploit used to ninja oneself into an enemy keep in Cyrodiil. Though it did not explain fully how to do the exploit, some users may be able to replicate most parts with some examination. Please be sure to refrain from re-posting such videos, to avoid anymore loss of scrolls in this manner.

    Thank you for understanding!

    Does that confirm it is indeed an exploit then? And will the parties partaking in this behavior receive bans?
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  • Universe
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    Hello everyone,

    This message is to inform you that we've recently removed several posts for containing a video demonstrating an exploit used to ninja oneself into an enemy keep in Cyrodiil. Though it did not explain fully how to do the exploit, some users may be able to replicate most parts with some examination. Please be sure to refrain from re-posting such videos, to avoid anymore loss of scrolls in this manner.

    Thank you for understanding!

    Can you please fix it ?
    The related bug is very old.
    I see bug abusers who ninja into an enemy keep/outpost in Cyrodiil every day.
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  • shepardTHEweak
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    i seen a few peeps take keeps without siege..they get a buddy on a opposite team to stand on the ledges so they can either dragon leap/tp strike over.,, then when once on the first wall drop down to kill the npcs to build up ultimates ect and then get that buddy to stand on the edge of the inner and leap/strike on to the inner,, then set up oil and kill all npcs on the flags then set up a balister or other siege weapon and knock the inner down till it flags then go and stand on the flags to turn the keep...seeing this way to often in pvp now and i think they should either make so a player cant be in a enemy keep untill the outer wall is at least down enough to flag it and if they do try using the method above they get instant death like if you try to get inside a enemy home base/gate where the monster vendor is it instant kills you
  • Ackwalan
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    Hello everyone,

    This message is to inform you that we've recently removed several posts for containing a video demonstrating an exploit used to ninja oneself into an enemy keep in Cyrodiil. Though it did not explain fully how to do the exploit, some users may be able to replicate most parts with some examination. Please be sure to refrain from re-posting such videos, to avoid anymore loss of scrolls in this manner.

    Thank you for understanding!

    Just removing the post, without taking action to fix it, is a sure way to encourage cheating.
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    I actually wasn't aware it was an exploit.

    As a sorc never done it, I have allowed a dk to trap himself i the keep with my 20 allies forcing him to respawn at his keep (no rez) and into horse simulator.

    But now I know and hope ZoS fixes this.

    But also goes to show how little we really know what's an exploit (this) and what's in intended unintended game feature (animation cancelling)
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  • Osteos
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    Removing the video without any comment about fixing the exploit is a little disheartening. :/
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  • Inarre
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    Ackwalan wrote: »
    Hello everyone,

    This message is to inform you that we've recently removed several posts for containing a video demonstrating an exploit used to ninja oneself into an enemy keep in Cyrodiil. Though it did not explain fully how to do the exploit, some users may be able to replicate most parts with some examination. Please be sure to refrain from re-posting such videos, to avoid anymore loss of scrolls in this manner.

    Thank you for understanding!

    Just removing the post, without taking action to fix it, is a sure way to encourage cheating.
    Removing the video without any comment about fixing the exploit is a little disheartening. :/

    Not that I don't agree with you, but chances are @ZOS_AntonioP doesn't have the power to dictate what's worked on as far as exploits go.

    Probably best to submit a ticket through the right channels or tag our favorite @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and ask them nicely to submit this to the correct people to be looked at.

    Hopefully ZOS still has record of the removed video footage so they have an accurate description of what is being done.
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