Fear + Surprise Attack Perma-stun

zatohonour · October 2015

Maybe it's the limited space for skills that is the cause for one or two attacks only,being used?

A lot of times i can only use SA because i have rally,vigor,evil hunter/camo hunter,cloak,piercing mark/fear,ambush,caltrops,my 2 handed execute among other things that are more utility/buffs.

I actually like skills being limited because it does make it work for my platform of choice,but i dunno how you make it so you can free up a little more space for attacks without making some attacks weaker and making them more situational thereby forcing players to carry more than 1 or 2...perhaps merging some buffs/utilities?Could be overpowered though.

xylena · October 2015

perhaps merging some buffs/utilities?Could be overpowered though

actually yeah, would love to see a nerf to SA but a solid BUFF for killers blade and power extraction

danno8 · October 2015

On the topic of broken gameplay...

https://youtu.be/4wlwuqcR_ZU

Can anyone explain that? I thought server lag, but everything around me seemed fine, and all my skills were firing in a timely manner. Guy was just invisible for 4 seconds while barraging me..

edit: why are youtube videos always garbage quality for the first 10 seconds, lol

blackweb · October 2015

danno8 wrote: »

On the topic of broken gameplay...

https://youtu.be/4wlwuqcR_ZU

Can anyone explain that? I thought server lag, but everything around me seemed fine, and all my skills were firing in a timely manner. Guy was just invisible for 4 seconds while barraging me..

edit: why are youtube videos always garbage quality for the first 10 seconds, lol

He was not invisible. He was hard to see, not because he is a nightblade but because he is also a vampire. Looks like he was in mist form.

LBxFinalDeath · October 2015

Fear and Surprise attack are meant to stun?

Whenever I attempt it, it does absolutely nothing even if they don't have the white spinning thing around them.

They just run away and spam heals til they can get to allies.

blackweb · October 2015

xylena wrote: »

perhaps merging some buffs/utilities?Could be overpowered though

actually yeah, would love to see a nerf to SA but a solid BUFF for killers blade and power extraction

SA is not the issue. The issue is chaining SA with other CCs such as aspect of terror.

danno8 · October 2015

blackweb wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

On the topic of broken gameplay...

https://youtu.be/4wlwuqcR_ZU

Can anyone explain that? I thought server lag, but everything around me seemed fine, and all my skills were firing in a timely manner. Guy was just invisible for 4 seconds while barraging me..

edit: why are youtube videos always garbage quality for the first 10 seconds, lol

He was not invisible. He was hard to see, not because he is a nightblade but because he is also a vampire. Looks like he was in mist form.

Uhhh, he was attacking me like crazy. Definitely not in mist form as you can not attack while in mist form. It was a full 4 seconds of taking damage (I stop moving because I was immobilized assumedly from Ambush), then got beat on for 4 seconds, healed my brains out until he finally appeared.

edit: unless you mean clouding swarm. Yah that could be it. I had my own bats just finishing at the time so I didn't even notice them before..

rfennell_ESO · October 2015

danno8 wrote: »

Can anyone explain that? I thought server lag, but everything around me seemed fine, and all my skills were firing in a timely manner. Guy was just invisible for 4 seconds while barraging me..

edit: why are youtube videos always garbage quality for the first 10 seconds, lol

It was definitely clouding swarm.

blackweb · October 2015

I tried Surprise Attack + Fear on some mobs last night. Perma stun definitely works on vet mobs. There is a considerable delay in breaking fear, even after I attack the mobs. The rules for pvp may be a bit different.

Gilvoth · October 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

I seriously fail to see your "perma-stun" logic, or gameplay. Video evidence?

What is this "perma-stun" you speak of? Fear is not a stun, it is a...fear. And it is breakable. Surprise attack only stuns when used from stealth and is (obviously) affected normally by CC immunity. You also imply that both skills are "perma-stun" by themselves? And that surprise attack should be a NBs only "perma-stun."

What?

What he means is the NB are causing players just to sit there un able to break surprises stun or fear and basicly force them to stay bent over taking the NB sword shaft un able to counter attack because there in a "perma-stun".

you mean the exact same way im treated by the sorcerers bolt escape over me keeping me stunnlocked and then kill me with it as they repeatedly spam it mixed with lightning bolt?
or are you refering to the dragonights constant claw spaming and then lava whip us to death combo untill dead?
or is this the same as the templars constant self-heals while spaming thier jabbs with stunn locks?
thier basicly all the same and basicly able to break free from. its just that it drains your stamina and drains your health leaving you dead within a short time.
nothing different with us nightblades skills accept we dont do as much damage as fast as they do is the only difference, oh and we also dont have a self heal like dragons blood or the templars heals and our stunns only last a second or 2 while the other classes last alot longer then ours.
basicly i dont see how threads like this one can exist.

Wollust · October 2015

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

I seriously fail to see your "perma-stun" logic, or gameplay. Video evidence?

What is this "perma-stun" you speak of? Fear is not a stun, it is a...fear. And it is breakable. Surprise attack only stuns when used from stealth and is (obviously) affected normally by CC immunity. You also imply that both skills are "perma-stun" by themselves? And that surprise attack should be a NBs only "perma-stun."

What?

What he means is the NB are causing players just to sit there un able to break surprises stun or fear and basicly force them to stay bent over taking the NB sword shaft un able to counter attack because there in a "perma-stun".

you mean the exact same way im treated by the sorcerers bolt escape over me keeping me stunnlocked and then kill me with it as they repeatedly spam it mixed with lightning bolt?
or are you refering to the dragonights constant claw spaming and then lava whip us to death combo untill dead?
or is this the same as the templars constant self-heals while spaming thier jabbs with stunn locks?
thier basicly all the same and basicly able to break free from. its just that it drains your stamina and drains your health leaving you dead within a short time.
nothing different with us nightblades skills accept we dont do as much damage as fast as they do is the only difference, oh and we also dont have a self heal like dragons blood or the templars heals and our stunns only last a second or 2 while the other classes last alot longer then ours.
basicly i dont see how threads like this one can exist.

I lol'd at the part of NB doing less damage than a DK

Prabooo · March 2016

definitely a CC cooldown, I second that

Jade1986 · March 2016

I got permanently stunned by ambush the other day. Literally every time he spammed it, I got downed, needless to say I rage quit and did something productive after that. *** that noise.

Cody · March 2016

Do you mean the teleport strike stun lock combo? dont worry, that is being dealt with tomorrow. There will still be a temporary snare, but it will not be 100% (which is basically a root without being able to roll dodge it) and one will not be literally stuck and unable to move whilst being affected. It will still be ridiculous in my opinion, but a bit better.

Birdovic · March 2016

Then there is the CC immunity bug that will drive you crazy. Meaning often times you break CC and while the animation is playing and before you get the immunity you can bee cc'd again. That one drives me nuts.

I hate this so damn much.
"Lets quickly Break free so I can fight my Enemy"
* Gets cc'ed while Breaking free which Should give Immunity, needs to Break free again*
* "Nice, stamina empty, lets just Drop dead, good fight,

"

Lava_Croft · March 2016

It's the broken CC in general, not Fear nor Surprise Attack nor Wrecking Blow nor any other hard CC in particular.

GreenSoup2HoT · March 2016

danno8 wrote: »

On the topic of broken gameplay...

Can anyone explain that? I thought server lag, but everything around me seemed fine, and all my skills were firing in a timely manner. Guy was just invisible for 4 seconds while barraging me..

edit: why are youtube videos always garbage quality for the first 10 seconds, lol

Are you serious lol? He was using "clouding swarm" on a vampire. You become invisible for 5 second's and are free to attack in the mean time while dealing considerable AoE damage also.

How oblivious can you get? Just saying.. this is a none issue.

rfennell_ESO · March 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It's the broken CC in general, not Fear nor Surprise Attack nor Wrecking Blow nor any other hard CC in particular.

I could point out that "certain people" get off the double cc without fail. Likely from artificial lag they use.

Anyways, during a clouding swarm... I have seen double cc/unbreakable cc on people if you get 2 cc's on them before they can cc break. It's not reliable to use for me, but I also don't exploit them game.

I could point out a smack talking "I'm a pro pvper" nightblade that posts on these forums like he's the greatest player ever who gets off double cc/unbreakable cc nearly every time I see him. Obviously doing so will generate a report of my forums post from a basement somewhere.

Oddly enough I could point out more than 1 "pro pvpers" that get off the double cc/unbreakable cc. Then again, it isn't exactly odd...

MrGigglypants · March 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Game doesn't need block casting yet ZOS has keeped it in so..... don't get your hopes up.

It's only an issue for min maxers get wreck by SB sustain builds.

MrGigglypants · March 2016

xylena wrote: »

stamblade direct damage attacks need to be rebalanced... surprise attack is faceroll dps in pvp, while killers blade and power extraction are nearly useless (and immersion-breaking stamina abilities that deal "magic" damage wtf is with that)

NB is a very deep and complex class, but when the optimal dps rotation (in pvp) is SA SA SA SA SA SA SA... it dumbs down the class, people that play it, and combat in general

Duel a SB stam dk lmk how that goes.

a1i3nz · March 2016

ZOS don't fix anything unless it gets them paid.
That's why no spellcrafting. No arena. No anything we want or need.
They dedicate their staff to making stupid small DLC we have to pay for. Get used to it. They blew it out of the gate. This game is only going to progress in areas that get them paid it's called a business.