Fear + Surprise Attack Perma-stun

blackweb

Fear + Surprise Attack perma-stun is just too much. And this is coming from a hardcore Nightblade. Nightblades need one perma-stun, it should be surprise attack, not Fear. Fear should not be unbreakable and should not stack with Surprise Attack.

TBH, as a stam NB, I do not use fear much but I do use surprise attack a lot. Like a lot of stam NBs, I use:

Shadowy Disquise > Shadow Strike > Soul Harvest

Which is fine

What I am talking about is the ability to chain Shadow Strike with Aspect of Terror. That is what I am hearing all the complaints about and have had used on me. The problem is when CCs are spammed repeatedly, chaining them so that the other player cant effectively play their class.

Fix it please ZoS!

MisterBigglesworth

perma-stun in general should not be a thing that is allowed by this game's code... as in: it should have been built right into the core programming of the game like 7 years ago, long before the animations or classes had even been created

Forestd16b14_ESO

Game doesn't need block casting yet ZOS has keeped it in so..... don't get your hopes up.

EatUrNumNumz

I seriously fail to see your "perma-stun" logic, or gameplay. Video evidence?

kadar

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

I seriously fail to see your "perma-stun" logic, or gameplay. Video evidence?

What is this "perma-stun" you speak of? Fear is not a stun, it is a...fear. And it is breakable. Surprise attack only stuns when used from stealth and is (obviously) affected normally by CC immunity. You also imply that both skills are "perma-stun" by themselves? And that surprise attack should be a NBs only "perma-stun."

What?

Forestd16b14_ESO

The_Outsider wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

I seriously fail to see your "perma-stun" logic, or gameplay. Video evidence?

What is this "perma-stun" you speak of? Fear is not a stun, it is a...fear. And it is breakable. Surprise attack only stuns when used from stealth and is (obviously) affected normally by CC immunity. You also imply that both skills are "perma-stun" by themselves? And that surprise attack should be a NBs only "perma-stun."

What?

What he means is the NB are causing players just to sit there un able to break surprises stun or fear and basicly force them to stay bent over taking the NB sword shaft un able to counter attack because there in a "perma-stun".

xarguideb17_ESO

There is a solution in game already - RMB + LMB

Asmael

Yep, perma-stun exists. It is called "CC mechanics that do not work properly".

Or how to get disoriented, stunned, knockback'd by a dragon leap, then CC'd again by jabs within 3 seconds.

And don't tell me it's lag...

rfennell_ESO

Asmael wrote: »

Yep, perma-stun exists. It is called "CC mechanics that do not work properly".

Or how to get disoriented, stunned, knockback'd by a dragon leap, then CC'd again by jabs within 3 seconds.

And don't tell me it's lag...

Usually the perpetrators of these exploits will always tell you it must be lag.

Sometimes it's accidental.

Ofttimes it's intentional and a purposeful exploitation of mechanics.

blackweb

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Yep, perma-stun exists. It is called "CC mechanics that do not work properly".

Or how to get disoriented, stunned, knockback'd by a dragon leap, then CC'd again by jabs within 3 seconds.

And don't tell me it's lag...

Usually the perpetrators of these exploits will always tell you it must be lag.

Sometimes it's accidental.

Ofttimes it's intentional and a purposeful exploitation of mechanics.

I have seen this in other games, chaining of CCs allowed by game mechanics. There should be no chaining of CCs in ESO. There should be a cc immunity cooldown of a few seconds.

Gunphu

blackweb wrote: »

Fear + Surprise Attack perma-stun is just too much. And this is coming from a hardcore Nightblade. Nightblades need one perma-stun, it should be surprise attack, not Fear. Fear should not be unbreakable and should not stack with Surprise Attack.

TBH, as a stam NB, I do not use fear much but I do use surprise attack a lot.

Fix it please ZoS!

All classes have multiple CC's and perma stun isnt really a thing. I have noticed on some rare occasions CC immunity doesnt work correctly. But that is not a NB specific thing whatsoever!

Videos on these forums show WB chain stuns and knockback/snares that leave you unable to break or dodge roll as you slowly fall and die before you hit the ground.

Im sorry but your post suggests that you are butt hurt and came here to vent with no real substance in your call for a NB nerf. The problem is CC immunity glitches out on occasion with any skill.

revonine

Another one of these God_Mode NB's again. The nerf train just got another carriage (sarcasm)

Hydrocodone

blackweb wrote: »

Fear + Surprise Attack perma-stun is just too much. And this is coming from a hardcore Nightblade. Nightblades need one perma-stun, it should be surprise attack, not Fear. Fear should not be unbreakable and should not stack with Surprise Attack.

TBH, as a stam NB, I do not use fear much but I do use surprise attack a lot.

Fix it please ZoS!

You forgot to add Cloak to the rotation. We needs more vids of "skilled" magic NBs solo wiping 24 man raidz! Oh and throw in a few L2P threads.

timidobserver

This is definitely the most powerful burst combo in the game at the moment, particular if they drop an ult on you as well. However it is manageable if you build for it.

Tavore1138

Not really a NB problem but 'gratz for jumping on the band wagon - there are many skill line combos that can achieve this (looks at the 2 handed people...) all have been reported and we are still awaiting fixes.

Fear/SA is actually NOT one of them unless the NB is using another skill in between to trigger stealth as SA does not stun by default. SA stun definitely has a cooldown, at least when used on mobs. Breaking Fear seems to have got problems right now - SA is just a NB doing what he'd do anyway to a feared opponent but sometimes people seem to break fear pretty quickly, other times it just won't break. I find the same when other NBs fear me and I have plenty of stamina in hand but just cannot break the CC other times works just as designed.

Emma_Overload

As much as I like to rag on NBs, the real problem here is that CC immunity is bugged and ZOS won't fix it. Break Free should always take effect instantly and should always override everything else.

Xeniph

Now I personally haven't seen a "perma-stun" situation from Fear+SA. So I can neither confirm or deny it's existence, it could just be super rare.

I did experience an oddity yesterday, though. I was jumped by 2 NB's and double feared. Tha is to say they both ambushed and feared me at the same time, a typical rotation. What was not typical was the fact I was mashing my Interupt key (CC break) And nothing happened.

Needless to say that was quite frustrating to watch myself go from full resources to dead, all while mashing my CC break. Could have been some sort of bug, doubt it was lag as I was not lagging at all.

Then there is the CC immunity bug that will drive you crazy. Meaning often times you break CC and while the animation is playing and before you get the immunity you can bee cc'd again. That one drives me nuts.

To the OP, these are not NB issues. Rather they are CC immunity code/server errors.

DannyLV702

yeah it's annoying saving my stamina for those "break free" scenarios, just to have that BS happen

phaseadept

Its CC immunity problems. With practiced timing you can chain CC someone regardless of how much stamina they have, and sometimes the immunity only lasts 2-3 seconds.

The unbreakable CC bug is annoying as hell, and it happens often. I hate being feared, and can't break free with a full stamina bar.

Since most people run cookie cutter builds designed to exploit some of these mechanics the effect is exponential.

melloni_aleb16_ESO

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

There is a solution in game already - RMB + LMB

-.-

often ( 90% ) it doesn't work ...( full stamina bar )

PrinceRyzen

Hmm.. Fear and surprise attack.

No. That's two buttons and outclassed IMO.


I can just spam wrecking blow. Plenty of nasty. Damage nuke, damage buff, big range and some of the most unbreakable cc/stun out there.


I just wish they give it a heal. I shouldn't have to press anything else.

Xeven

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

I seriously fail to see your "perma-stun" logic, or gameplay. Video evidence?

What is this "perma-stun" you speak of? Fear is not a stun, it is a...fear. And it is breakable. Surprise attack only stuns when used from stealth and is (obviously) affected normally by CC immunity. You also imply that both skills are "perma-stun" by themselves? And that surprise attack should be a NBs only "perma-stun."

What?

What he means is the NB are causing players just to sit there un able to break surprises stun or fear and basicly force them to stay bent over taking the NB sword shaft un able to counter attack because there in a "perma-stun".

Confirming this is a thing. NBs are exploiting the hell out of it. You can also do it with clouding swarm and concealed weapon spam.

Fix CC ZoS.

cschwingeb14_ESO

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

I can just spam wrecking blow. Plenty of nasty. Damage nuke, damage buff, big range and some of the most unbreakable cc/stun out there.

I just wish they give it a heal. I shouldn't have to press anything else.

I knew this was going to turn into a nerf-sorc post

rfennell_ESO

Worst part is the dedicated EP trolls (that were mostly the same perma root EP trolls) exploiting and exploiting with no repercussions.

Same old tards, new type tardation.

Fix the problem ZOS, Ban the exploiters.

I'd be glad to start handing you names, oh wait... I already did in a exploit report more than once.

zatohonour

On console at least i have never witnessed or dealt perma stun to anyone as a nb and fighting nbs.Usually anyway.Rare time's someone is outta stamina and can't break,or even rarer lag was what caused.I was perma stunned twice since the patch by another nb,but players were teleporting and shots landing way late,obviously caused by one of those infamous server lag spikes.(Yeah,i do use fear and surprise attack)

The only times crap gets weird is when one one of the many wb spammers that infest this game get me and cc immunity goes haywire.

blackweb

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Worst part is the dedicated EP trolls (that were mostly the same perma root EP trolls) exploiting and exploiting with no repercussions.

Same old tards, new type tardation.

Fix the problem ZOS, Ban the exploiters.

I'd be glad to start handing you names, oh wait... I already did in a exploit report more than once.

The NB is an awesome and fun class to play. Allowing exploits is bad for any class and casts a negative light on anyone who plays that class.

baddabumb16_ESO

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

I can just spam wrecking blow. Plenty of nasty. Damage nuke, damage buff, big range and some of the most unbreakable cc/stun out there.

I just wish they give it a heal. I shouldn't have to press anything else.

I knew this was going to turn into a nerf-sorc post

p.s. nerv sorcs. pls mate

Gunphu

Xeven wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

I seriously fail to see your "perma-stun" logic, or gameplay. Video evidence?

What is this "perma-stun" you speak of? Fear is not a stun, it is a...fear. And it is breakable. Surprise attack only stuns when used from stealth and is (obviously) affected normally by CC immunity. You also imply that both skills are "perma-stun" by themselves? And that surprise attack should be a NBs only "perma-stun."

What?

What he means is the NB are causing players just to sit there un able to break surprises stun or fear and basicly force them to stay bent over taking the NB sword shaft un able to counter attack because there in a "perma-stun".

Confirming this is a thing. NBs are exploiting the hell out of it. You can also do it with clouding swarm and concealed weapon spam.

Fix CC ZoS.

Stunning while in clouding swarm is not an exploit. Thats like saying sorcs exploit clouding swarm because it heals them while using surge and they can also CC at the same time. Neither my nor your example are exploits.

rfennell_ESO

Gunphu wrote: »

Stunning while in clouding swarm is not an exploit. Thats like saying sorcs exploit clouding swarm because it heals them while using surge and they can also CC at the same time. Neither my nor your example are exploits.

The issue isn't the synergy between clouding swarm and surprise attack. It's when the cc's are able to be stacked, ie fear and surprise attack and it becomes unbreakable.

Even so, it's only one example of the bug. I've seen magicka nightblade put you into unbreakable fear and double fears.

It's likely the same actions that were causing the permanent rooting in cyrondil that was fixed, ie a stacking of cc's that isn't meant to occur. Likely, it's two cc's on you before the break free makes it impossible to break free. This can be coordinated by multiple players or done quick enough by one player.

I can say the same people that were abusing the permanent root in cyro before it was fixed are the same collection of cheats doing this now.

Rayste

Xeven wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

I seriously fail to see your "perma-stun" logic, or gameplay. Video evidence?

What is this "perma-stun" you speak of? Fear is not a stun, it is a...fear. And it is breakable. Surprise attack only stuns when used from stealth and is (obviously) affected normally by CC immunity. You also imply that both skills are "perma-stun" by themselves? And that surprise attack should be a NBs only "perma-stun."

What?

What he means is the NB are causing players just to sit there un able to break surprises stun or fear and basicly force them to stay bent over taking the NB sword shaft un able to counter attack because there in a "perma-stun".

Confirming this is a thing. NBs are exploiting the hell out of it. You can also do it with clouding swarm and concealed weapon spam.

Fix CC ZoS.

Agreed, +1 up you go. I keep referencing Rich because I have little faith in our class balance team at this point. He needs to put a boot in their .....

@ZOS_RichLambert

xylena

stamblade direct damage attacks need to be rebalanced... surprise attack is faceroll dps in pvp, while killers blade and power extraction are nearly useless (and immersion-breaking stamina abilities that deal "magic" damage wtf is with that)

NB is a very deep and complex class, but when the optimal dps rotation (in pvp) is SA SA SA SA SA SA SA... it dumbs down the class, people that play it, and combat in general