Battle res lv2 + Kragrenance + Templar (+AP changes)

kkravaritieb17_ESO · February 2016

blabafat wrote: »

I've said this before and I'll say it again

Apply the major buffs to Templar passive & Kagrenac's Hope. That way, they won't stack. I do think that Kagrenac's / Templar should stack with Alliance War passive, as it gives an incentive and value to the passive. However, Kagrenac's Hope and Templar passive should be the same speed and considered major ____ buff.

Major cockroach buff

Radburn · February 2016

On the other end of the spectrum we have builds that can kill within 2-3 seconds. Maybe both need to be brought in a little closer to the center so we have better balance.

cazlonb16_ESO · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Kagrenac templars too cheesy, zos should chnage Master Ritualist to restore 5% stamina upon Restoring Light abilities cast.

Alcast · February 2016

Lucky most templars are built completely wrong for PvP because 99% of dudes have no clue what they do.

I guess I can change that by releasing a Templar Combat Healer PvP Build with this instrez stuff just to *** annoy people into the ground.

Well built templars are strong...healing and tanky wise, not dps wise.

Jura23 · February 2016

I like the idea Sypher brought up on the podcast - let Kagrenac not stack with Templar passive. That way Templar have still the advantage so they don't need to use Kagrenac to have faster rez, but it's not crazy fast anymore. And they get the benefit of some other 5 piece bonus. Win - win.

Cinbri · February 2016

Jura23 wrote: »

I like the idea Sypher brought up on the podcast - let Kagrenac not stack with Templar passive. That way Templar have still the advantage so they don't need to use Kagrenac to have faster rez, but it's not crazy fast anymore. And they get the benefit of some other 5 piece bonus. Win - win.

I like that another so-called famous streamer brought idea to nerf templars more.
Not to change passive, but to make entire set useless just for 1 class.

Tower_Of_Shame · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I like the idea Sypher brought up on the podcast - let Kagrenac not stack with Templar passive. That way Templar have still the advantage so they don't need to use Kagrenac to have faster rez, but it's not crazy fast anymore. And they get the benefit of some other 5 piece bonus. Win - win.

I like that another so-called famous streamer brought idea to nerf templars more.
Not to change passive, but to make entire set useless just for 1 class.

Hahhha priceless gif

BalticBlues · February 2016

There is no need to worry about Templars anyway.
There only are about 5-10% Templars left in PvP (at least on consoles).
With the new nerfs this number will drop even further.

Sorcs eat Templars like cats eat mice.
This is what is needed for PvP, and Sorcs have ALL of it:
- speed
- mobility
- dps
- shields
- ultimates to decide a PvP 1v1 fight

Templars have NOTHING of this. Even their only purpose (healing) is nerfed now.
With almost no Templars playing PvP, rezzing won't be a problem.
No need to beat a dead horse like the Templar class.

Alcast · February 2016

What about increased res radius instead of res speed for templars? 50meter resses

Jhunn · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Kagrenac templars too cheesy, zos should chnage Master Ritualist to restore 5% stamina upon Restoring Light abilities cast.

Aren't you running Kargrenac yourself? Lol

Kas · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Kagrenac templars too cheesy, zos should chnage Master Ritualist to restore 5% stamina upon Restoring Light abilities cast.

yes, it's the only fair solution here xD

zerosingularity · February 2016

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232730/aoe-caps-discussion/p3

Yeah, I pointed this problem out in Wrobel's thread. My guess is the train of thought is now "It's broken, lets make the problem even worse!"

FYI, it's not going to be fixed. Better buy then Soul Gems all up!

Soris · February 2016

Give templar aoe rez and done with it?

blabafat · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I like the idea Sypher brought up on the podcast - let Kagrenac not stack with Templar passive. That way Templar have still the advantage so they don't need to use Kagrenac to have faster rez, but it's not crazy fast anymore. And they get the benefit of some other 5 piece bonus. Win - win.

I like that another so-called famous streamer brought idea to nerf templars more.
Not to change passive, but to make entire set useless just for 1 class.

Actually, prior to that podcast, I had a conversation w/ him in teamspeak. I brought that idea up - as someone who mains a templar

revonine · February 2016

Soris wrote: »

Give templar aoe rez and done with it?

When I joined this game originally I was actually surprised Templar did not have an AOE rez as an ultimate ability xD

timidobserver · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I like the idea Sypher brought up on the podcast - let Kagrenac not stack with Templar passive. That way Templar have still the advantage so they don't need to use Kagrenac to have faster rez, but it's not crazy fast anymore. And they get the benefit of some other 5 piece bonus. Win - win.

I like that another so-called famous streamer brought idea to nerf templars more.
Not to change passive, but to make entire set useless just for 1 class.

I don't blame them. They had great success with the Streamers Against BOL campaign, so why not see if they can duplicate that with Master Ritualist.

I do not think it is anything personal against the class. Support templar are the main hindrance of 1vX, so it makes sense for 1vXers to be pushing for nerfs. Particularly streamers since they literally draw a paycheck from their 1vXing.

Hymzir · February 2016

No to the idea of giving Templar and Kagre the same buff! Not only would it be insulting to have our highest level passive for the tree to amount to crafting an item set, it would also only really serve those who are annoyed by the fact that Templars have synergy with something. That and people who like to post killing spree videos since couple of dedicated and well specced Templars can really mess up their day.

A lot of people are running Kagre instead of Jules simply because why the hell not? It's a meaningful choice for most other classes - give up spell damage for faster rez utility. For templars, not that much. You are still way behind other classes with Spell Damage anyway, so might as well go for insta rez build. Besides, it helps with your resource management (which sucks too), since Kagre gives an extra Magicka Regen and a boost to magicka after a rez.

The only "fair" thing would be to change Templar passives to offer other choices than being a Healbot Insta Rezzer.

Just give us Spell Damage boost to Balanced Warrior, and replace Master Ritualsit with a passive that gives us Stam and Magicka Regen boost.

That way Kagre will be a choice to Templars too. Wanna be a support build? Go with Kagre. Fancvy being a DPS build? Craft yourself some Jules.

Cinbri · February 2016

Jhunn wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Kagrenac templars too cheesy, zos should chnage Master Ritualist to restore 5% stamina upon Restoring Light abilities cast.

Aren't you running Kargrenac yourself? Lol

I not using this set for months already, it was fun at beginning, but not anymore. And i won't suggest to nerf some set coz i don't use it and don't wanna see how others use it. Here my pre-pts quote:

Cinbri wrote: »

About Master Ritualist - templar in kagrenac is totally broken in pvp(i know zos doesn't care about pvp, but still), and in another thread there were suggestions to either 1. change set bonus - bad idea as many non-templars using it now coz fast ressurect. 2.forbid to stack kagrenac and Ritualist passive - nerf of templars who use this set, obviously bad idea. 3.So i suggest to change templar passive - from all 3 choices i voting for this as it won't negatively affect other players(1) nor templar(2)[ofcourse ressing faster than enemy's projectile can reach you is fun but not balanced], instead of it we could get some sustain passive that we totally lack of and that doesn't require someone corpse near.

Why people voting not for 1st or or 3rd option but for 2nd, for always nerfing anything?! I afraid @Zinaroth nerf templars theme is very popular nowdays.

Cously · February 2016

1) The situation you describe already happens.
2) Only change is that will give access to more people now thus speeding what already would happen in the future.
3) It costs precious soul gems that the so called "scrubs" might not even have. Large groups with plenty of soul gems already use all the ress time combined.
4) Must be a templar, one class out of four.
5) Must use a specific set.

So you are crying for cheesy mechanic now more people will be able to access it? Should have cried earlier when it started.

Dredlord · February 2016

Zinaroth wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Kagrenac templars too cheesy, zos should chnage Master Ritualist to restore 5% stamina upon Restoring Light abilities cast.

This. Make this otherwise useless passive into some kind of rescource management.

It IS resource management, the resource is the nubs that play dps and think they got skills on op classes, order of management is guildies then nubs then scrubs.

Dredlord · February 2016

Clearly this a l2p issue, dare i say target the ressers first? You should know who it is after the first res....

You dont have to sit around waiting for someone to res either, just fight on the corpses.

Be learners people...not nerf herders

hammayolettuce · February 2016

Dredlord wrote: »

Clearly this a l2p issue, dare i say target the ressers first? You should know who it is after the first res....

You dont have to sit around waiting for someone to res either, just fight on the corpses.

Be learners people...not nerf herders

This how fast the stacked Rez speed is it is not a learn to play issue. There is no reason all of these Rez passives stack when speed passives don't. Generally I agree on most situations for skill or passive complaints are indeed learn to play. However, this gives every single player now easy access to very fast Rez speed and if you are more than a few steps away you can't bash to stop it.

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danno8 · February 2016

blabafat wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I like the idea Sypher brought up on the podcast - let Kagrenac not stack with Templar passive. That way Templar have still the advantage so they don't need to use Kagrenac to have faster rez, but it's not crazy fast anymore. And they get the benefit of some other 5 piece bonus. Win - win.

I like that another so-called famous streamer brought idea to nerf templars more.
Not to change passive, but to make entire set useless just for 1 class.

Actually, prior to that podcast, I had a conversation w/ him in teamspeak. I brought that idea up - as someone who mains a templar

Well it would suck for all us people who crafted a gold set of Krag to suddenly have the 5-set bonus lose a huge chunk of its power.

If I had to choose in order:

1. Change the passive to something more defensive/resource management (not to do with healing)
2. Increase rez times overall (1.5x or 2x current times
3. Introduce a cooldown of some kind on being rezzed. I'm sure we can come up with something fair and workable so fast rezzes can happen, but just can't keep happening forever.

edit: oops forgot #2

hammayolettuce · February 2016

danno8 wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I like the idea Sypher brought up on the podcast - let Kagrenac not stack with Templar passive. That way Templar have still the advantage so they don't need to use Kagrenac to have faster rez, but it's not crazy fast anymore. And they get the benefit of some other 5 piece bonus. Win - win.

I like that another so-called famous streamer brought idea to nerf templars more.
Not to change passive, but to make entire set useless just for 1 class.

Actually, prior to that podcast, I had a conversation w/ him in teamspeak. I brought that idea up - as someone who mains a templar

Well it would suck for all us people who crafted a gold set of Krag to suddenly have the 5-set bonus lose a huge chunk of its power.

If I had to choose in order:

1. Change the passive to something more defensive/resource management (not to do with healing)
2. Introduce a cooldown of some kind on being rezzed. I'm sure we can come up with something fair and workable so fast rezzes can happen, but just can't keep happening forever.

even if they made the change and some Templar lost the set bonus rez speed they would still get the sp dmg that is better than any other set available with the 2-4pc bonuses you get as well.

danno8 · February 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I like the idea Sypher brought up on the podcast - let Kagrenac not stack with Templar passive. That way Templar have still the advantage so they don't need to use Kagrenac to have faster rez, but it's not crazy fast anymore. And they get the benefit of some other 5 piece bonus. Win - win.

I like that another so-called famous streamer brought idea to nerf templars more.
Not to change passive, but to make entire set useless just for 1 class.

Actually, prior to that podcast, I had a conversation w/ him in teamspeak. I brought that idea up - as someone who mains a templar

Well it would suck for all us people who crafted a gold set of Krag to suddenly have the 5-set bonus lose a huge chunk of its power.

If I had to choose in order:

1. Change the passive to something more defensive/resource management (not to do with healing)
2. Introduce a cooldown of some kind on being rezzed. I'm sure we can come up with something fair and workable so fast rezzes can happen, but just can't keep happening forever.

even if they made the change and some Templar lost the set bonus rez speed they would still get the sp dmg that is better than any other set available with the 2-4pc bonuses you get as well.

The spell damage is less than Julianos, and it is also less than Scathing Mage as long as you crit every 6 seconds or so. The 2, 3 and 4 set bonuses are at best debatable depending on what you are going for.

It would definitely make the 5-set bonus less than Julianos and Scathing though. That part is not debatable.

s7732425ub17_ESO · February 2016

Bleh. It's going to be a bunch of scrub Templars that stand in the back line, spam Breath of Life and nothing else, and just do instant resses.

themdogesbite · February 2016

Kag ress speed is no problem if there is a cooldown or something. Die once, no penalty. Die again after that ress, 2 min timer before anyone can ress you, die after that 3 min, etc etc. Cooldown resets when you ress at a keep.

danno8 · February 2016

themdogesbite wrote: »

Kag ress speed is no problem if there is a cooldown or something. Die once, no penalty. Die again after that ress, 2 min timer before anyone can ress you, die after that 3 min, etc etc. Cooldown resets when you ress at a keep.

The more I think about it, the more this is my preferred option. The moment you accept the rez the timer starts counting down from 3(?) minutes. Can't be rezzed again until the timer expires.

KenaPKK · February 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Make the Templar passive and the bonus on kags major Rez and the AvA passive Minor Rez.

This.

Alcast · February 2016

themdogesbite wrote: »

Kag ress speed is no problem if there is a cooldown or something. Die once, no penalty. Die again after that ress, 2 min timer before anyone can ress you, die after that 3 min, etc etc. Cooldown resets when you ress at a keep.

Doggy for president. That is actually a very nice suggestions how to fix the *** issue.

@Wrobel