Battle res lv2 + Kragrenance + Templar (+AP changes)

Alcast

We all know you will need a lot less AP to get all those Alliance War passives.
So what is going to happen... will see MANY Templars with:
Battle Ressurection lv2
Kragrenance

Better bring enough soulgems okay, because need to spam those InstaResses really hard

Anhedonie

Healbots will become resbots.
Oh well, at least they are not a complete garbage and still capable of something. Thx ZO$

Soris

Well, tbh, this is one of the most effective parts of being a magicka templar. Dont nerf this. Battle ressing should always be a part of a mmo anyways.

Cinbri

Kagrenac templars too cheesy, zos should chnage Master Ritualist to restore 5% stamina upon Restoring Light abilities cast.

BalticBlues

Why not delete the Templar class if EVERY feature is undesired?

Lava_Croft

It has nothing to do with Templars and everything with the fact that these insta-rezzes are just a bit game-breaking. Fight outnumbered, do a good job, but some scrub can just instantly rez everything you kill and there's little you can do about it.

Mojmir

Remove the passive

Cinbri

BalticBlues wrote: »

Why not delete the Templar class if EVERY feature is undesired?

You must ask this question in main qouestion thread. Maybe Wrobel on eso live will answer it.

Lyrander

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Templars and everything with the fact that these insta-rezzes are just a bit game-breaking. Fight outnumbered, do a good job, but some scrub can just instantly rez everything you kill and there's little you can do about it.

there were always battles when a good ress here and there - stealth and ress, stealth and ress - could win a former lost battle.
And ressing a handful of player (until someone is afk or you getting busted) is also not easy to pull of or makes u win automatically. You get jumped and just die again. Also: Every faction has helpful healers

It has always been like that. Watch the bodies and look for stealthed enemys (magelight can help u here now).

Actually i dont even know why u complained in the first place ^^ - dont see anything unbalanced here.

Erondil

No need to nerf templars passive nor anything, maybe nerf kagrenac but more importantly: introduce a rezz cooldown

Lava_Croft

Lyrander wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Templars and everything with the fact that these insta-rezzes are just a bit game-breaking. Fight outnumbered, do a good job, but some scrub can just instantly rez everything you kill and there's little you can do about it.

there were always battles when a good ress here and there - stealth and ress, stealth and ress - could win a former lost battle.
And ressing a handful of player (until someone is afk or you getting busted) is also not easy to pull of or makes u win automatically. You get jumped and just die again. Also: Every faction has helpful healers

It has always been like that. Watch the bodies and look for stealthed enemys (magelight can help u here now).

Actually i dont even know why u complained in the first place ^^ - dont see anything unbalanced here.

I think you're completely missing the point. This has little to do with good healers or anything, it has to do with the fact that people who die can be instantly rezzed over and over and over. It's often worse than the Forward Camps of yore.

Tankqull

Anhedonie wrote: »

Healbots will become resbots.
Oh well, at least they are not a complete garbage and still capable of something. Thx ZO$

will be nerved too...
templars have no purpose to exist in ZOS eyes as it seems.

acw37162

Finally something Templars do well and it still requires a specific set of gear.

Zinaroth

Cinbri wrote: »

Kagrenac templars too cheesy, zos should chnage Master Ritualist to restore 5% stamina upon Restoring Light abilities cast.

This. Make this otherwise useless passive into some kind of rescource management.

Anhedonie

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Templars and everything with the fact that these insta-rezzes are just a bit game-breaking. Fight outnumbered, do a good job, but some scrub can just instantly rez everything you kill and there's little you can do about it.

Crushing Shock/Venom arrow works wonders.

Jhunn

Anhedonie wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Templars and everything with the fact that these insta-rezzes are just a bit game-breaking. Fight outnumbered, do a good job, but some scrub can just instantly rez everything you kill and there's little you can do about it.

Crushing Shock/Venom arrow works wonders.

Not when the rez lasts under 1 second.

Draxys

Soris wrote: »

Well, tbh, this is one of the most effective parts of being a magicka templar. Dont nerf this. Battle ressing should always be a part of a mmo anyways.

A half a second rez is not acceptable for a battle rez without a bigger death penalty, that's just a free respawn. We need either a rez sickness or a mechanic that does not allow you to get back up for a minute or two after you accept a rez.

Soris

Cinbri wrote: »

Kagrenac templars too cheesy, zos should chnage Master Ritualist to restore 5% stamina upon Restoring Light abilities cast.

This would be good if it will be somewhere around 5%. You know, they are quite addicted to 1 as a number, as they buffed some of our underwhelming skills by 1% and 1 meter which i feel great about it

eliisra

Wish they just change the Master Ritualist passive. Preferably into something that's useful for all templar builds including tanks and stamina builds. I dont think any templar actually enjoy being revive bot in PvP lol.

Sadly, you only have so many choices of gear in PvP, since most dropped sets lacks impenetrable. Templars have no working class shield so you kinda need max crit def or die meaning you're stuck with crafted sets.

But knowing ZoS they likely just make Kag's not stack with any other revive bonuses. Or they do nothing.

Anhedonie

Okay, if everyone want to nerf something (ZOS approves such mindset), then let's think logically.

They won't nerf Kagrenac's Hope. Nobody wanted this set until they added spell damage. They can't just remove res speed, because Julianos will be much better option and people will give up on Kagrenac's Hope. If they reduce res speed, then they'll have to compensate it with more spell power (I hope it's obvious why). And what's the point in Julianos in that case? Not an option.

They won't nerf battle res. This passive is designed for common use, so everyone should have the same res speed more or less.

So the only reasonable solution is...to nerf templars

Hymzir

As a Templar running with Kagrenac and various other rez buffs from the Lord CP tree I agree with the OP premise. The speed with which I can rez is nuts, and they come back with pretty much full health and are ready to go immediately. I know I have turned around some fights by quickly rezzing 4 or so dead players within just a few seconds.

Master ritualist needs to be replaced with something, and I would slot in it's place something useful for both Magplars and Stamplars, something the class as a whole needs desperately. A simple +5%/+10% percent increase to Stam and Mag regeneration would be a much better idea than the one we have now.

Battlefield rezzing is fine, and should be in the game, but death should mean something too, and when you manage to kill one of the enemies, they should not just pop up back up in 1 second with full health. Having passives that make rezzing easier and more efficient are also okay, but they should be universal and thus restricted to the Alliance war trees and CP passives.

Furthermore, as a Templar I have never bought a single Grand Soul gem - the ones I find in chests and get from Enchanting crafting writs and from Rewards of the Worthy are more than enough to keep me supplied since with Master Ritualist I have a 50% chance on not using one when rezzing others. I can go rezzing all day long. With Kagre equipped I see my fellow dead team mates as alternative Magicka potions I rez simply for the Magicka gain, and even I find it silly.

For my defense, I note that I crafted Kagrenace before we had Julianos and did it for the Spell Damage - the rezzing was just a cool extra buff. Furthermore, I didn't see reason to replace it when we did get Julianos, because I wanted to wait for a new style to come available before crafting new gear and didn't like the one's introduced with Orsinium. With thieves guild, I will most likely ditch Kagrenac and replace it with Julianos or even Cunning Alchemist for extra cheese. But yeah.. stacking rez speed is out of control in this game.

danno8

Nerf Templars!!

Seriously though It hink most Templars would be ok if this passive was changed to a true defensive/mitigation (ie not to do with healing) or resource management passive.

Glory

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Templars and everything with the fact that these insta-rezzes are just a bit game-breaking. Fight outnumbered, do a good job, but some scrub can just instantly rez everything you kill and there's little you can do about it.

Nailed it. Combat rezzes are a fine thing, but the current state of it where you can rezz in a second is just broken.

hammayolettuce

Make the Templar passive and the bonus on kags major Rez and the AvA passive Minor Rez.

Derra

Soris wrote: »

Well, tbh, this is one of the most effective parts of being a magicka templar. Dont nerf this. Battle ressing should always be a part of a mmo anyways.

Battlerez should just get a cooldown on the person that rezzed you permitting another rez for 3min if the rezzed target accepts the resurrection.

dsalter

swap the templars res speed with a magicka,health and stamina regen on both targets when successfully ressurecting for something like 400 on each stat and 2k ticks for health, i dunno something like that

Monk_Slayer

As a templar with Kags and 1/2 battle resurrection on the main server, I don't see the difference with 2/2. It seems to me that it's the same or slower on PTS with 2/2. I know on the main server, it's a whole heck of a lot quicker when being rezzed by someone with 2/2. Bugged?

DHale

Amazes me that someone who has literally killed in one second on multiple occasion and I am not a vamp and now will get a huge buff is worrying about the literally weakest class soon to be even weaker is doing. All I I can say is wow. Definitely EP.

DHale

Also forward camp will be back you will have everyone back in the fight in seconds anyway just like the old day with two hour fights... Can't wait.

Manoekin

Templar's are not the worst class. Something needs to be done about res times though. It's nice on the PTS where it's not working correctly. When res times are faster than a player can react to it (unless they're literally just standing there waiting for the person to try and res) you have a problem. If you want to keep it low like that, you need to introduce some sort of cooldown.

blabafat

I've said this before and I'll say it again

Apply the major buffs to Templar passive & Kagrenac's Hope. That way, they won't stack. I do think that Kagrenac's / Templar should stack with Alliance War passive, as it gives an incentive and value to the passive. However, Kagrenac's Hope and Templar passive should be the same speed and considered major ____ buff.