Gap closer mini stun of Death and Despair

Rune_Relic · February 2016

Xeniph wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno: I know issues like this don't really fit into all the marketing nonsense that states ESO is doing great, but any word on the status of this incredibly annoying piece of unavoidable CC that does nothing but favor the already overpowered zergs would be very welcomed.

Yours truly,

Someone who doesn't spend that much money in the Crown Store, but does pay a subscription fee.

Wrobel already said he's going to change it to a 0.75 sec 60% snare to help you "better escape outnumbered situations."

Yes ..yes..... but will they stack when gang stunned to 60% @ 0.75, 120% @ 1.5, 180% : 2.25 etc... ?

That's not even how it works now.

One: It's not a stun, but a 1 second root currently.

Two: It doesn't stack even now, it's always 1 second, unless they time it properly which could result in a perma root, but still not stacking.

Sadly there is no immunity to roots/snares, so until this changes it will remain possible to perma root/snare someone indefinitely with certain skills, gap closer or not.

I didn't say that's how it did work.
I am just wondering how it will work given past experience of fixes.

Rune_Relic · February 2016

olsborg wrote: »

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.

But I don't think that makes sense either.
If I am charging at someone and they move.....I change direction and carry on charging to that person.
I don't watch them move out the way...wave ....and run past them...then think....oh damn I missed.
lol

Now if someone dodge rolls at the last second or braces and raised there shield..then I expect to miss or be stunned. Maybe even both stunned.

Master_Kas · February 2016

Btw how long has this gapcloser stun/lock been in game? Because I have videos and I also remember very well that in 1.6 (permaroll, nirnstack and magicka sorc era) I didn't have issues with gap closers at all. Sure they could close the gap but they didn't keep me locked down like this neither on my rollerblade nor on my magicka sorc.

Must be something they did after 1.6 patches.

Leandor · February 2016

olsborg wrote: »

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.

It's only a.problem for one person. Sadly he's the one calling the shots.

Somebody please grow male reproductive organs and just disable that on the TG PTS. Let us PvPers test something as well. No snare, no root, no nothing. It's a test realm, ffs. Start testing things there.

Teargrants · February 2016

Leandor wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.

It's only a.problem for one person. Sadly he's the one calling the shots.

Somebody please grow male reproductive organs and just disable that on the TG PTS. Let us PvPers test something as well. No snare, no root, no nothing. It's a test realm, ffs. Start testing things there.

That would require Wrobel to change the coded 'root value' to 0% rather than the current 100%. That's deleting a whole 2 characters, clearly this monumental task is impossible to perform in a timescale fast enough to ever put it on PTS.

Leandor · February 2016

Teargrants wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.

It's only a.problem for one person. Sadly he's the one calling the shots.

Somebody please grow male reproductive organs and just disable that on the TG PTS. Let us PvPers test something as well. No snare, no root, no nothing. It's a test realm, ffs. Start testing things there.

That would require Wrobel to change the coded 'root value' to 0% rather than the current 100%. That's deleting a whole 2 characters, clearly this monumental task is impossible to perform in a timescale fast enough to ever put it on PTS.

It's sad that I don't consider that as humourous quip, but a statement of truth...

Lava_Croft · February 2016

Teargrants wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.

It's only a.problem for one person. Sadly he's the one calling the shots.

Somebody please grow male reproductive organs and just disable that on the TG PTS. Let us PvPers test something as well. No snare, no root, no nothing. It's a test realm, ffs. Start testing things there.

That would require Wrobel to change the coded 'root value' to 0% rather than the current 100%. That's deleting a whole 2 characters, clearly this monumental task is impossible to perform in a timescale fast enough to ever put it on PTS.

He might be able to perform it, but I don't think he would get it right on the first try. Probably will be broken on the PTS and then will be fixed with the next batch of DLC.

Mojmir · February 2016

maybe he'll add a zero for the

Teargrants wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.

It's only a.problem for one person. Sadly he's the one calling the shots.

Somebody please grow male reproductive organs and just disable that on the TG PTS. Let us PvPers test something as well. No snare, no root, no nothing. It's a test realm, ffs. Start testing things there.

That would require Wrobel to change the coded 'root value' to 0% rather than the current 100%. That's deleting a whole 2 characters, clearly this monumental task is impossible to perform in a timescale fast enough to ever put it on PTS.

change it too 1000%? got it

Lucky28 · February 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Btw how long has this gapcloser stun/lock been in game? Because I have videos and I also remember very well that in 1.6 (permaroll, nirnstack and magicka sorc era) I didn't have issues with gap closers at all. Sure they could close the gap but they didn't keep me locked down like this neither on my rollerblade nor on my magicka sorc.

Must be something they did after 1.6 patches.

Hmm, not sure. since maybe midway though either the IC patch or Wrothgar patch. they literally added it overnight without any testing or anything. So many people myself included submitted a bug report on the issue. it was a somber day when i learned it was an intentional addition.

Really wish they'd put crap like this on the PTS before they add it into the game.

zyk · February 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Btw how long has this gapcloser stun/lock been in game? Because I have videos and I also remember very well that in 1.6 (permaroll, nirnstack and magicka sorc era) I didn't have issues with gap closers at all. Sure they could close the gap but they didn't keep me locked down like this neither on my rollerblade nor on my magicka sorc.

Must be something they did after 1.6 patches.

It's been said (by at least teargrants) that it was introduced during 1.4. This is what I seem to recall as well. It was present during 1.5 for sure. I noticed it when I began using Critical Rush during 1.5.

I believe abuse of gap closers has increased as awareness of the mechanic has grown. Also, I think as awareness has grown, many players confuse the 1 second immobilize that's listed in the Ambush tooltip for the undocumented .5 second immobilize mechanic of all gap closers.

Lucky28 · February 2016

zyk wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Btw how long has this gapcloser stun/lock been in game? Because I have videos and I also remember very well that in 1.6 (permaroll, nirnstack and magicka sorc era) I didn't have issues with gap closers at all. Sure they could close the gap but they didn't keep me locked down like this neither on my rollerblade nor on my magicka sorc.

Must be something they did after 1.6 patches.

It's been said (by at least teargrants) that it was introduced during 1.4. This is what I seem to recall as well. It was present during 1.5 for sure. I noticed it when I began using Critical Rush during 1.5.

I believe abuse of gap closers has increased as awareness of the mechanic has grown. Also, I think as awareness has grown, many players confuse the 1 second immobilize that's listed in the Ambush tooltip for the undocumented .5 second immobilize mechanic of all gap closers.

Nah, it was just a snare wasn't it?. i remember it before it had white smoke at your character feet when someone was using a gap closer on you. but you could still cast and dodge roll, it wasn't this complete lock we have now.

coolermh · February 2016

I really can't even comprehend the shear stupidity of the person who thought this was a good idea. Pvp is joke cause Of this.

Cathexis · February 2016

Teargrants wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.

It's only a.problem for one person. Sadly he's the one calling the shots.

Somebody please grow male reproductive organs and just disable that on the TG PTS. Let us PvPers test something as well. No snare, no root, no nothing. It's a test realm, ffs. Start testing things there.

That would require Wrobel to change the coded 'root value' to 0% rather than the current 100%. That's deleting a whole 2 characters, clearly this monumental task is impossible to perform in a timescale fast enough to ever put it on PTS.

They actually did it to correct errors caused by gap closers not connecting with their target.

Except it's a really crappy fix that has the side effect of destroying pvp vs any group using TS and focus fire.

Teargrants · February 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.

It's only a.problem for one person. Sadly he's the one calling the shots.

Somebody please grow male reproductive organs and just disable that on the TG PTS. Let us PvPers test something as well. No snare, no root, no nothing. It's a test realm, ffs. Start testing things there.

That would require Wrobel to change the coded 'root value' to 0% rather than the current 100%. That's deleting a whole 2 characters, clearly this monumental task is impossible to perform in a timescale fast enough to ever put it on PTS.

They actually did it to correct errors caused by gap closers not connecting with their target.

Except it's a really crappy fix that has the side effect of destroying pvp vs any group using TS and focus fire.

I know 'why' Wrobel said he added the root, the point is, the original way gap closers functioned wasn't much of an issue at all to begin with.

Master_Kas · February 2016

I got outplayed when trying to take on 5 players:

Abob · February 2016

If you have snare immunity (shuffle ) the stun won't happen.

Master_Kas · February 2016

Abob wrote: »

If you have snare immunity (shuffle ) the stun won't happen.

It will happen. I run shuffle daily on both stam nb and stamdk, happens everytime.

You are immune to ROOTS and SNARES while you have shuffle up, the stun/lock from those gapclosers is neither. Stop talking BS.

zyk · February 2016

I will shamelessly spam any AE I have available against shuffled roll dodgers. Especially with the bug abuse lately.

Lava_Croft · February 2016

Abob wrote: »

If you have snare immunity (shuffle ) the stun won't happen.

Try reading the OP.

WillhelmBlack · February 2016

I'm literally going to leave the game because of it. I'm sure I'm not on my own.

Ambush
Ambush
Ambush
Ambush
Ambush

Lava_Croft · February 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I'm literally going to leave the game because of it. I'm sure I'm not on my own.

Ambush
Ambush
Ambush
Ambush
Ambush

I hope they will nerf Nightblades back to the state they were in the first 6 months after release. All the scrubs will roll new a character and I can be a unique little flower again.