Gap closer mini stun of Death and Despair

Lava_Croft

@ZOS_GinaBruno, I have many Immovability potions and I would like to quaff them all day long, but this form of CC is still stunning me.

Waffennacht

I don't think I've read anyone in favor of the gap closer stun... or heard it in voice chat...

Teargrants

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't think I've read anyone in favor of the gap closer stun... or heard it in voice chat...

We just don't know what we need. Wrobel knows best for us.

Joy_Division

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't think I've read anyone in favor of the gap closer stun... or heard it in voice chat...

LOL, what gave you the impression that 87% of this community wanting something meant anything to the developers?

Leandor

The stun itself would be tolerable if it would convey a 2 second immunity to its reapplication.

Waffennacht

@Joy_Division I read your player guide, really well done, you know what you are doing. That's why your comment makes me sad, it's really all too true especially about certain issues (like this one)

danno8

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Joy_Division I read your player guide, really well done, you know what you are doing. That's why your comment makes me sad, it's really all too true especially about certain issues (like this one)

I believe the 87% number is from the AoE caps thread over a year ago.

It's likely the gap closer mini stun is closer to 100%.

Joy_Division

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Joy_Division I read your player guide, really well done, you know what you are doing. That's why your comment makes me sad, it's really all too true especially about certain issues (like this one)

I appreciate it and I will say I know some things, although I won't pretend to be anything beyond that.

The gap closer thing is really messed up. ZoS means well but too often they stubbornly hold onto their own solutions rather than just listen to us.

Teargrants

Joy_Division wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't think I've read anyone in favor of the gap closer stun... or heard it in voice chat...

LOL, what gave you the impression that 87% of this community wanting something meant anything to the developers?

Lies! Slander! ZOS does care!

Wrobel shocked us all with the alacrity of his response to player outcry over AoE caps in just a mere 2 years after the complaints.

Wrobel further demonstrated his astute acumen as an ambassador to the player community by following this lightning fast response with the unflinching decision that AoE caps "are not up for change" in his latest TS meeting.

Begone foul naysayers and rumor mongerers, the truth is not yours to corrupt.

Derra

Teargrants wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't think I've read anyone in favor of the gap closer stun... or heard it in voice chat...

LOL, what gave you the impression that 87% of this community wanting something meant anything to the developers?

Lies! Slander! ZOS does care!

Wrobel shocked us all with the alacrity of his response to player outcry over AoE caps in just a mere 2 years after the complaints.

Wrobel further demonstrated his astute acumen as an ambassador to the player community by following this lightning fast response with the unflinching decision that AoE caps "are not up for change" in his latest TS meeting.

Begone foul naysayers and rumor mongerers, the truth is not yours to corrupt.

Still makes me wonder how he managed to get that job.

Lava_Croft

Derra wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't think I've read anyone in favor of the gap closer stun... or heard it in voice chat...

LOL, what gave you the impression that 87% of this community wanting something meant anything to the developers?

Lies! Slander! ZOS does care!

Wrobel shocked us all with the alacrity of his response to player outcry over AoE caps in just a mere 2 years after the complaints.

Wrobel further demonstrated his astute acumen as an ambassador to the player community by following this lightning fast response with the unflinching decision that AoE caps "are not up for change" in his latest TS meeting.

Begone foul naysayers and rumor mongerers, the truth is not yours to corrupt.

Still makes me wonder how he managed to get that job.

Could say the same about the person/people who created an in-game mail applet without a reply button...

Morozov

Teargrants wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't think I've read anyone in favor of the gap closer stun... or heard it in voice chat...

LOL, what gave you the impression that 87% of this community wanting something meant anything to the developers?

Lies! Slander! ZOS does care!

Wrobel shocked us all with the alacrity of his response to player outcry over AoE caps in just a mere 2 years after the complaints.

Wrobel further demonstrated his astute acumen as an ambassador to the player community by following this lightning fast response with the unflinching decision that AoE caps "are not up for change" in his latest TS meeting.

Begone foul naysayers and rumor mongerers, the truth is not yours to corrupt.

+1 for use of vocabulary

Amica

Hey... lay off Wrobel.
If he gets fired someone might hire him as a spy for their country.
Anyone that can dig themselves into this big of a hole and still not get the boot, knows his ***. And would be a valuable asset to national security.

Etaniel

This mini stun/silence needs to gtf out the game seriously. The moment the game stops lagging, it's still unplayable because of bs like this

Lava_Croft

@ZOS_GinaBruno: I know issues like this don't really fit into all the marketing nonsense that states ESO is doing great, but any word on the status of this incredibly annoying piece of unavoidable CC that does nothing but favor the already overpowered zergs would be very welcomed.


Yours truly,

Someone who doesn't spend that much money in the Crown Store, but does pay a subscription fee.

Teargrants

Lava_Croft wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno: I know issues like this don't really fit into all the marketing nonsense that states ESO is doing great, but any word on the status of this incredibly annoying piece of unavoidable CC that does nothing but favor the already overpowered zergs would be very welcomed.


Yours truly,

Someone who doesn't spend that much money in the Crown Store, but does pay a subscription fee.

Wrobel already said he's going to change it to a 0.75 sec 60% snare to help you "better escape outnumbered situations."

Cody

this new "fix" was unnecessary, and makes certain combos OP. 2H is now more OP than ever, there is no reason to use any other melee weapon now because of this new change unless one is aiming to be a tank with a shield.

furthermore, anyone not wearing medium armor with Shuffle is pretty much done unless they can stack a load of high value damage shields or spam self heals. this gap closer change needs to be removed ASAP. Not changed, REMOVED.

melodeath

made a topic about it before because of a single reason that made me sad.

i was emperor on bwb for just a little while as i didnt really take it serious..

but man.. all those other nb's spambushing while others are charging on you since you're emp.
there were times where i stayed alive for a really long time but i was basicly just stuck on the same spot.. unable to move (with using manouvers aswell)

it almost made a vain in my head pop.

Derra

Teargrants wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno: I know issues like this don't really fit into all the marketing nonsense that states ESO is doing great, but any word on the status of this incredibly annoying piece of unavoidable CC that does nothing but favor the already overpowered zergs would be very welcomed.


Yours truly,

Someone who doesn't spend that much money in the Crown Store, but does pay a subscription fee.

Wrobel already said he's going to change it to a 0.75 sec 60% snare to help you "better escape outnumbered situations."

Which is - quite frankly said - gonna make the situation even worse.

I can´t even fathom the though process one must have had to think this is going to improve the situation. Movement speed buffs should softcounter gapclosing (imo) - let´s make gapclosing hardcounter movement speed buffs because reasons (wrobel).

Every pvp topic he approaches is touched with absolute carebear attitude only endorsing the feelings many pvp players have - the lead combat designer does not play pvp and has no idea how to balance it.

Leandor

It is a very telling sign of mental capacity to implement such a functionality into a combat system. Just saying.

KozawahGaming

So, only a few years until Bethesda saves us from the poor Community Management and Development that is Zenimax right?

And I thought Destiny had poor Community Managers. Destiny at least let us know some times that they were listening. ZoS seems to be smelling its own farts.

Waffennacht

I can't take anything said in eso live seriously any more.

Too many times have they said one thing just to later change to the exact opposite, usually without any warning or reasoning.

Did anyone ever come on to say that horse racing was officially beheaded? just as an example.

MrGigglypants

I'd just like to see more rapid implementation of small changes to see what works best

ksimpscnub18_ESO

Derra wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno: I know issues like this don't really fit into all the marketing nonsense that states ESO is doing great, but any word on the status of this incredibly annoying piece of unavoidable CC that does nothing but favor the already overpowered zergs would be very welcomed.


Yours truly,

Someone who doesn't spend that much money in the Crown Store, but does pay a subscription fee.

Wrobel already said he's going to change it to a 0.75 sec 60% snare to help you "better escape outnumbered situations."

Which is - quite frankly said - gonna make the situation even worse.

I can´t even fathom the though process one must have had to think this is going to improve the situation. Movement speed buffs should softcounter gapclosing (imo) - let´s make gapclosing hardcounter movement speed buffs because reasons (wrobel).

Every pvp topic he approaches is touched with absolute carebear attitude only endorsing the feelings many pvp players have - the lead combat designer does not play pvp and has no idea how to balance it.

Cathexis

For me cyrodiil has been reduced to standing far away and pewpewing with my bow until I get slammed by a 20 man gap closer zerg.

Incentive to go to cyrodiil -1/10.

Lava_Croft

Cathexis wrote: »

For me cyrodiil has been reduced to standing far away and pewpewing with my bow until I get slammed by a 20 man gap closer zerg.

Incentive to go to cyrodiil -1/10.

The worst is when the zerg has such laughable damage that the torture lasts too long.

I think Wrobel's days mostly consist out of thinking "but it worked fine in the dungeon we tested this!?".

Lucky28

Yeah this change needs to be gone. i love how ZoS just ninja'd that change into the game. but when every single PvP player (and i don't think i am exaggerating) said; "yo, bad change. get this outta here" we're left to bask in this filth for months.
It just makes PvP so unenjoyable when one gap closer means you might as well just give up because you're gonna die anyway. come on, take this out of the game, please.

Rune_Relic

Teargrants wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno: I know issues like this don't really fit into all the marketing nonsense that states ESO is doing great, but any word on the status of this incredibly annoying piece of unavoidable CC that does nothing but favor the already overpowered zergs would be very welcomed.


Yours truly,

Someone who doesn't spend that much money in the Crown Store, but does pay a subscription fee.

Wrobel already said he's going to change it to a 0.75 sec 60% snare to help you "better escape outnumbered situations."

Yes ..yes..... but will they stack when gang stunned to 60% @ 0.75, 120% @ 1.5, 180% : 2.25 etc... ?

Xeniph

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno: I know issues like this don't really fit into all the marketing nonsense that states ESO is doing great, but any word on the status of this incredibly annoying piece of unavoidable CC that does nothing but favor the already overpowered zergs would be very welcomed.


Yours truly,

Someone who doesn't spend that much money in the Crown Store, but does pay a subscription fee.

Wrobel already said he's going to change it to a 0.75 sec 60% snare to help you "better escape outnumbered situations."

Yes ..yes..... but will they stack when gang stunned to 60% @ 0.75, 120% @ 1.5, 180% : 2.25 etc... ?

That's not even how it works now.

One: It's not a stun, but a 1 second root currently.

Two: It doesn't stack even now, it's always 1 second, unless they time it properly which could result in a perma root, but still not stacking.

Sadly there is no immunity to roots/snares, so until this changes it will remain possible to perma root/snare someone indefinitely with certain skills, gap closer or not.

Leandor

Xeniph wrote: »

One: It's not a stun, but a 1 second root currently.

Two: It doesn't stack even now, it's always 1 second, unless they time it properly which could result in a perma root, but still not stacking.

Sadly there is no immunity to roots/snares, so until this changes it will remain possible to perma root/snare someone indefinitely with certain skills, gap closer or not.

Stun, root, mezz, who cares? Ever encountered one of them spam-squads? 5 to 10 people engage the same target all with gap closers, even as a stamina class you can't block enough. Dodge won't work, abilities won't work, you sit there to die. This is apparently the new thing for the cool kids, or "new meta" for smallscale.

There's also no elaborate timing scheme. The "go" in TS, together with different latencies and reaction times of the players, is enough to pull it off. The mechanic is a huge pile of ***, nothing else.

olsborg

I dont see why its such a big problem that gapclosers failing due to the target moving out of range, cudos to the target for being smart and moving out of range. Fricking easymode for the gapcloserspammers... @Wrobel pls listen to the community.