Reflecting meteor

Ahk1lleez · February 2016

What kind of nonsense is this? I can understand reflecting arrows or frags....but a f*&%ing meteor? Really?

I mean...just the sheer velocity of something falling from space should liquidate anyone standing beneath it...

Aside from that...it doesn't even come from the caster itself...it comes from the sky. If it should be able to be reflected at all (which I don't think it should be personally) it should reflect back into the atmosphere....not toward the caster.

This ability should also have a much larger radius and be unavoidable within that radius. Meaning if you try to dodge roll...but you're still within the range of it's AOE...you should be hit with the initial damage and the DoT even while in mid dodge roll. The same should go for leap....or any other ultimate that causes the smashing of the ground beneath your enemies. If either of these abilities were single target...and they weren't smashing into the ground and using it as a basis for its range...I wouldn't be saying any of this.

It's just a little disconcerting that someone can wait until the very last second then reflect or dodge roll out of some of these ults simply because they have an addon telling them when to do so.

I have a DK as one of my main characters...but I still feel as though that part of reflective scales is broken. Like I said before....I can understand reflecting arrows...or frags...or even overload light attacks. But a f&^*ing meteor? GTFOH.....

Erynyes · February 2016

Ahk1lleez · February 2016

How is it considered salty to point out a broken mechanic?

Sharee · February 2016

Ahk1lleez wrote: »

I mean...just the sheer velocity of something falling from space should liquidate anyone standing beneath it...

The fact that such a meteor can be called forth from the depths of space by wiggling one's fingers does not bother you?

Kova · February 2016

I agree, honestly, but I've come to look at it as the might of a dragonknight is fabled to reflect aetherius asteroids. What I will NEVER accept is the NB stealth from meteor. I don't care how *snip*ing invisible you are, you don't avoid a giant space rock hurtling from the heavens. Even if it doesn't hit you, the AoE alone should do at least SOMETHING.

Seriously.

Ahk1lleez · February 2016

I would go as far as to say that the might of a DK TANK should be able to withstand the damage due to high damage mitigation...but not reflect it completely with a flap of his wings. A light armored DK caster should be flattened by a meteor even if he does try to use RS.

Cathexis · February 2016

Kova wrote: »

I agree, honestly, but I've come to look at it as the might of a dragonknight is fabled to reflect aetherius asteroids. What I will NEVER accept is the NB stealth from meteor. I don't care how *snip*ing invisible you are, you don't avoid a giant space rock hurtling from the heavens. Even if it doesn't hit you, the AoE alone should do at least SOMETHING.

Seriously.

Nightblade excuse: "but the shadows!"

But yeah I tend to agree reflecting or stealthing out of meteor is absurd and reflecting is particularly silly looking especially when the meteor hits the player, stops, rotates 180 degrees and then arcs toward the caster in slow mo.

Galalin · February 2016

*Flappy Flaps* Salt reflected bro

DK SCRUB OUT

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

Ahk1lleez wrote: »

It's just a little disconcerting that someone can wait until the very last second then reflect or dodge roll out of some of these ults simply because they have an addon telling them when to do so.

You don't need an addon for that. There is a well visable indicator around your feet when someone targets you with a meteor.

I personally think it's fine that you can reflect / dodge / cloak / streak to not get hit by a meteor, as it allows your enemy to counter the meteor if you just randomly drop it, but you can still make sure he gets hit if you combine your meteor with other skills. (double reflect / unblockable stun)

Pepper8Jack · February 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I agree, honestly, but I've come to look at it as the might of a dragonknight is fabled to reflect aetherius asteroids. What I will NEVER accept is the NB stealth from meteor. I don't care how *snip*ing invisible you are, you don't avoid a giant space rock hurtling from the heavens. Even if it doesn't hit you, the AoE alone should do at least SOMETHING.

Seriously.

Nightblade excuse: "but the shadows!"

But yeah I tend to agree reflecting or stealthing out of meteor is absurd and reflecting is particularly silly looking especially when the meteor hits the player, stops, rotates 180 degrees and then arcs toward the caster in slow mo.

With 35% extra damage

Seriously though, yeah I get the physics of it is nonsense....
But how often is physics actually applied correctly in this game?

I can fall 300+ feet, bounce off a rock or land in water, not a scratch.
I can block the swing of a 10 foot long club by a 20 foot tall giant, not a scratch.
I can take a ballista/trebuchet shot to the chest, swig a potion, not a scratch.
I can block an uppercut (WB) that, unblocked, has enough force behind it to send me flying, not a scratch.
Best of all, I can call down a mini star (nova), which is (definition of a star) apparently hot enough to attain nuclear fusion (hot enough to liquify the planet) and with a high enough mass to generate a gravitational field stronger than that of nirn around it, yet not only does it do nothing to the environment but I can also literally stand inside of it without being vaporized or being crushed and pulled into it.

In comparison, I don't feel like reflecting a flaming space boulder is all that ridiculous.

Edit: it didn't post all of it on the first try

Erynyes · February 2016

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I agree, honestly, but I've come to look at it as the might of a dragonknight is fabled to reflect aetherius asteroids. What I will NEVER accept is the NB stealth from meteor. I don't care how *snip*ing invisible you are, you don't avoid a giant space rock hurtling from the heavens. Even if it doesn't hit you, the AoE alone should do at least SOMETHING.

Seriously.

Nightblade excuse: "but the shadows!"

But yeah I tend to agree reflecting or stealthing out of meteor is absurd and reflecting is particularly silly looking especially when the meteor hits the player, stops, rotates 180 degrees and then arcs toward the caster in slow mo.

With 35% extra damage

ok, i'll give you this one, the 35% extra damage is imho a bit too much, but how is it broken mechanics, reflective scale is meant to reflect projectiles, a meteor, no matter how big it is, is still a projectile, what is it supposed to reflect, only rainbow and wall of elements. On the cloak matter, i agree you should not be able to cloack to avoid it at the last second, but with the lag/latency it's probably what ZOS found easier to do, a well time cloak, when the caster is starting to weave it should save ya, but poor game performance is probably pushing the window of oportunity a bit too far

ScooberSteve · February 2016

Didnt even read your whole post. Another typical example of noob rage. Just bock it, it does a lot less damage that way.

K4RMA · February 2016

sounds like a l2p issue.

Johngo0036 · February 2016

hahahahaha... so it can be reflected, deal with it.. you had a choice to use it. there is a chance of it being reflected,
I don't run it in pvp because of that exact fact.. its a chance you take..

Knootewoot · February 2016

It does not come from space. It's a magic missile more or less. If it came from space with huge speed, entire cyrodill would explode and there would be a crater. It is more like Goku's spirit bomb only it takes less time to create it.

And yes, it should be reflectable. Both by cloak and flappy wings. Because it is a game and nothing is "realistic". TESO is a heavy magic imbued world. Magic meteors can be reflected by other magical stuff.

Deflecting a snipe arrow to it's caster is just as odd and only a Jedi can do that. Not a shield, flappy wing or whatever.

ToRelax · February 2016

Honestly, it should be ground target in the first place. I'm also surprised so many people in this thread defend it being reflectable, this has been a common critic point since like forever.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Ahk1lleez wrote: »

It's just a little disconcerting that someone can wait until the very last second then reflect or dodge roll out of some of these ults simply because they have an addon telling them when to do so.

You don't need an addon for that. There is a well visable indicator around your feet when someone targets you with a meteor.

I personally think it's fine that you can reflect / dodge / cloak / streak to not get hit by a meteor, as it allows your enemy to counter the meteor if you just randomly drop it, but you can still make sure he gets hit if you combine your meteor with other skills. (double reflect / unblockable stun)

You can't Streak from Meteor. If you use the other morph, Ball of Lightning, and a Meteor is fired on you during the 2.5 sec that a BoL persists, then it hits that instead of you, and still everything close to it.

RoamingRiverElk · February 2016

As someone who plays both magicka sorc and magicka/stamina DK, I like it that meteor is reflectable, it brings an interesting layer of counters to play. Sometimes meteor is powerful, other times it's not. Sorcs do have two good, but different, ultimates at their disposal for nonreflectable ultimates - dawnbreaker and storm atronach. Not everything has to be optimal and *always* work.

Edit: And the double reflect is still a possibility for those who want to build that way. The fact that reflects only ping pong twice make sure that the one who attacks does win in that scenario.

Millerman34n · February 2016

Learn to play issue from you!

Alucardo · February 2016

If you're casting meteors on a DK using scales then you're an idiot, respectfully. So many subtle nerf DK threads these days.. what's going on here

Heindrich · February 2016

L2P issue here.

Mironidis · February 2016

Yeah, all magical/ non natural attacks should be taken away from the game *sarcasm*. Same goes for "animal races :P

EDIT: Oh... Vampires and werewolves too, unless they really exist

Lore_lai · February 2016

Someone got shrekt.

Moglijuana · February 2016

Ahk1lleez wrote: »

It's just a little disconcerting that someone can wait until the very last second then reflect or dodge roll out of some of these ults simply because they have an addon telling them when to do so.

I reflect ALL meteors on my Magicka & Stam DKs. Why? Because if the person is dumb enough to not cc me before/after they cast it, that's their own damn fault. If I'm on another character, I simply make sure to NOT CAST METEOR ON THE FLAPPING DK WHO IS OBV GOING TO REFLECT...or if your a DK you can just reflect it back again (careful though there's a limit of only 2 reflects per projectile). It's not hard. And if Sorcs can shield stack, NB's can cloak, and Templars can heal, you better be dam sure DK's should be allowed to reflect Meteors. I'm also on console so I have no addons so I actually have to pay attention to what's on my screen.

WillhelmBlack · February 2016

I'll be completely honest, even when I miss the reflect or purify, for an Ultimate is does really poor damage to my Templar. It's fun and I do use it from time to time but I prefer Nova, Empowering Sweep, Barrier, Dawnbreaker far, far better.

imdoink · February 2016

L2P

Serjustin19 · February 2016

Which reminds me. When I was on my Vet 16 Templar last time. I used my Meteor on Ebonheart Farm guards. On PS4 EU in Scourge. It did not end so well. My Meteor got reflected back towards me. I died. Confused I was. Looked at stats. Pact Guard 2,500 metoer.

If I remember correctly. Been a while.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Ahk1lleez wrote: »

How is it considered salty to point out a broken mechanic?

Well it's not "broken" it's working as intended. Your argument is that is shouldn't work that way.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

Honestly, it should be ground target in the first place. I'm also surprised so many people in this thread defend it being reflectable, this has been a common critic point since like forever.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Ahk1lleez wrote: »

It's just a little disconcerting that someone can wait until the very last second then reflect or dodge roll out of some of these ults simply because they have an addon telling them when to do so.

You don't need an addon for that. There is a well visable indicator around your feet when someone targets you with a meteor.

I personally think it's fine that you can reflect / dodge / cloak / streak to not get hit by a meteor, as it allows your enemy to counter the meteor if you just randomly drop it, but you can still make sure he gets hit if you combine your meteor with other skills. (double reflect / unblockable stun)

You can't Streak from Meteor. If you use the other morph, Ball of Lightning, and a Meteor is fired on you during the 2.5 sec that a BoL persists, then it hits that instead of you, and still everything close to it.

I often wonder why they didn't just make it a ground AoE too.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

Ahk1lleez wrote: »

It's just a little disconcerting that someone can wait until the very last second then reflect or dodge roll out of some of these ults simply because they have an addon telling them when to do so.

I reflect ALL meteors on my Magicka & Stam DKs. Why? Because if the person is dumb enough to not cc me before/after they cast it, that's their own damn fault. If I'm on another character, I simply make sure to NOT CAST METEOR ON THE FLAPPING DK WHO IS OBV GOING TO REFLECT...or if your a DK you can just reflect it back again (careful though there's a limit of only 2 reflects per projectile). It's not hard. And if Sorcs can shield stack, NB's can cloak, and Templars can heal, you better be dam sure DK's should be allowed to reflect Meteors. I'm also on console so I have no addons so I actually have to pay attention to what's on my screen.

That's a pretty valid point. No meteor is a match for my shields. If it's in my death recap it's there with 5 other things too.

Tallowby · February 2016

This is how it used to work. Ice Comet instant proc....

Moglijuana · February 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Ahk1lleez wrote: »

It's just a little disconcerting that someone can wait until the very last second then reflect or dodge roll out of some of these ults simply because they have an addon telling them when to do so.

I reflect ALL meteors on my Magicka & Stam DKs. Why? Because if the person is dumb enough to not cc me before/after they cast it, that's their own damn fault. If I'm on another character, I simply make sure to NOT CAST METEOR ON THE FLAPPING DK WHO IS OBV GOING TO REFLECT...or if your a DK you can just reflect it back again (careful though there's a limit of only 2 reflects per projectile). It's not hard. And if Sorcs can shield stack, NB's can cloak, and Templars can heal, you better be dam sure DK's should be allowed to reflect Meteors. I'm also on console so I have no addons so I actually have to pay attention to what's on my screen.

That's a pretty valid point. No meteor is a match for my shields. If it's in my death recap it's there with 5 other things too.

Exactly. Every class has a counter to the ultimate. Insert "This is a L2P issue" here.