Volkodav wrote: »

This actually makes a lot of sense.More places for people to challenge themselves.Thing is,I think some of those players like ganking unsuspecting players before they can fight back,so it might not please them to have to go toe to toe with another player.
Oh,and WoW isnt dying.I was just there yesterday and there were a lot of other players running around as well.

Please don't turn this into "Wow is/ isn't dying thread"

fact is top dog is in a decline and I feel like ESO has potential to take the crown.

It's PvE is already top quality it's just lack of PvP content that could hold it from that

Have to say I disagree with OP. My personal preference is to see all PvP development resources committed to constant improvement and new area of the existing realm vs realm style PvP. I appreciate that we all have preferences in game play etc. Myself and friends came to this game for the large scale warfare. There are limited resources for the developer and I would hate to see things get stretched thin trying to appeal to every play style vs working on what the core of the game was.

Volkodav wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

This actually makes a lot of sense.More places for people to challenge themselves.Thing is,I think some of those players like ganking unsuspecting players before they can fight back,so it might not please them to have to go toe to toe with another player.
Oh,and WoW isnt dying.I was just there yesterday and there were a lot of other players running around as well.

Please don't turn this into "Wow is/ isn't dying thread"

fact is top dog is in a decline and I feel like ESO has potential to take the crown.

It's PvE is already top quality it's just lack of PvP content that could hold it from that

If you can talk about it,then why shouldnt I.You brought it up.Not me. And I surely hope ESO takes the crown,but I still dont agree that WoW is dying. My reply to your own comment.

My apologies didn't mean it to come off rude.

let's just agree to disagree.

I honestly feel like ESO truly has lots of potential.

Volkodav wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Have to say I disagree with OP. My personal preference is to see all PvP development resources committed to constant improvement and new area of the existing realm vs realm style PvP. I appreciate that we all have preferences in game play etc. Myself and friends came to this game for the large scale warfare. There are limited resources for the developer and I would hate to see things get stretched thin trying to appeal to every play style vs working on what the core of the game was.

Thing is that the core of the game wasnt PvP.That was added along the way to please players who might want it.The core of the game w as PvE. I know some dont want to hear this,but it's true.

PvE is of course a bigger focus but the large scale realm vs realm was absolutely part of the original selling point of the game well before release and heavily promoted as a selling point to the game

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Have to say I disagree with OP. My personal preference is to see all PvP development resources committed to constant improvement and new area of the existing realm vs realm style PvP. I appreciate that we all have preferences in game play etc. Myself and friends came to this game for the large scale warfare. There are limited resources for the developer and I would hate to see things get stretched thin trying to appeal to every play style vs working on what the core of the game was.

That's understandable, I just don't really see how adding arenas would remove Cyrodil content.It would still be there just players that don't enjoy that PvP wouldn't be forced into it like they are now to get any form of PvP.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Have to say I disagree with OP. My personal preference is to see all PvP development resources committed to constant improvement and new area of the existing realm vs realm style PvP. I appreciate that we all have preferences in game play etc. Myself and friends came to this game for the large scale warfare. There are limited resources for the developer and I would hate to see things get stretched thin trying to appeal to every play style vs working on what the core of the game was.

That's understandable, I just don't really see how adding arenas would remove Cyrodil content.It would still be there just players that don't enjoy that PvP wouldn't be forced into it like they are now to get any form of PvP.

It does not remove content. It could however prevent/delay future Cyrodil content simply because there is only so much resource available when it comes to development in a game. I am not anti arenas but if I wanted arena style PvP I would have gone to a game that is built around that. Its a tough call for developers when it comes to deciding where to use their resources

I like the notion of Arena but I think the real rewards should be for AvAvA (Cyrodiil). I think they need to get more creative about scoring in Cyrodiil, make the towns (Bruma, Cheydinhal, etc) more meaningful. Make IC more meaningful, etc. I understand the desire to change your gameplay up, this is why when I get bored of mass pvp I've always gone to hunting people in delves and towns (Even as a bright and shiny non sneaky templar). I do think variety would be a great way to spice the game, I just wish they'd make it more meaningful. I would love if players had to protect convoys from controlled towns to nearby Keeps. This would pull people away from Keeps and give them a reason to fight far afield. This might also help deal with the problems of having too many people piled up on one location of the map.

All that being said there is a lot of great lore about Gaiden Shinji, the Arena, and it would be great for change of pace.

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Have to say I disagree with OP. My personal preference is to see all PvP development resources committed to constant improvement and new area of the existing realm vs realm style PvP. I appreciate that we all have preferences in game play etc. Myself and friends came to this game for the large scale warfare. There are limited resources for the developer and I would hate to see things get stretched thin trying to appeal to every play style vs working on what the core of the game was.

I agree what brought me to ESO was the AVAVA, the large scale battles, plus I would have played it even if it did not have pvp, I like Elder Scrolls, but even with pvp being an after thought, I would rather them spend time and resources on making Cyrodiil better, I have pvp'ed for many years there are plenty of games on the market that offer queued up mini games and other things, I am not totally against small scale here in ESO, just hate to see it take away from Cyrodiil, But then on the other hand if they cannot get the lag under control, there will be a time when the faithful start losing faith.

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Have to say I disagree with OP. My personal preference is to see all PvP development resources committed to constant improvement and new area of the existing realm vs realm style PvP. I appreciate that we all have preferences in game play etc. Myself and friends came to this game for the large scale warfare. There are limited resources for the developer and I would hate to see things get stretched thin trying to appeal to every play style vs working on what the core of the game was.

I agree what brought me to ESO was the AVAVA, the large scale battles, plus I would have played it even if it did not have pvp, I like Elder Scrolls, but even with pvp being an after thought, I would rather them spend time and resources on making Cyrodiil better, I have pvp'ed for many years there are plenty of games on the market that offer queued up mini games and other things, I am not totally against small scale here in ESO, just hate to see it take away from Cyrodiil, But then on the other hand if they cannot get the lag under control, there will be a time when the faithful start losing faith.

Sorry but I want pvp where my actions actually matter on the outcome of a fight. People that desire large scale pvp do so usually because the spectacle of it all is exciting. In reality there is little room to actually demonstrate your ability over an opposing player/s, it can happen but it's a headache and those moments are few and far between.

Say they snap their fingers and fix the server stability issues tomorrow. It wouldn't change anything, it would still be gimmicky siege nonsense and snowballing your way to victory via power in numbers. It's not intimate, it doesn't satisfy thst visceral desire to outperform another player. It makes you feel like you are apart of some grandiose battle without the need to actually outplay anyone that often if at all.

Contrary to what people here are saying, eso's combat actually lends itslef perfectly to smaller, structured pvp.

Arena and battle grounds couldn't come any sooner.

Egonieser wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Have to say I disagree with OP. My personal preference is to see all PvP development resources committed to constant improvement and new area of the existing realm vs realm style PvP. I appreciate that we all have preferences in game play etc. Myself and friends came to this game for the large scale warfare. There are limited resources for the developer and I would hate to see things get stretched thin trying to appeal to every play style vs working on what the core of the game was.

I agree what brought me to ESO was the AVAVA, the large scale battles, plus I would have played it even if it did not have pvp, I like Elder Scrolls, but even with pvp being an after thought, I would rather them spend time and resources on making Cyrodiil better, I have pvp'ed for many years there are plenty of games on the market that offer queued up mini games and other things, I am not totally against small scale here in ESO, just hate to see it take away from Cyrodiil, But then on the other hand if they cannot get the lag under control, there will be a time when the faithful start losing faith.

Sorry but I want pvp where my actions actually matter on the outcome of a fight. People that desire large scale pvp do so usually because the spectacle of it all is exciting. In reality there is little room to actually demonstrate your ability over an opposing player/s, it can happen but it's a headache and those moments are few and far between.

Say they snap their fingers and fix the server stability issues tomorrow. It wouldn't change anything, it would still be gimmicky siege nonsense and snowballing your way to victory via power in numbers. It's not intimate, it doesn't satisfy thst visceral desire to outperform another player. It makes you feel like you are apart of some grandiose battle without the need to actually outplay anyone that often if at all.

Contrary to what people here are saying, eso's combat actually lends itslef perfectly to smaller, structured pvp.

Arena and battle grounds couldn't come any sooner.

Couldn't agree more. Ever since I started PvP (1.5 yrs ago) I always went solo looking for 1 vs 1 or small group encounters. (Same in any mmo with PvP really). The breathtaking moments of a large siege battle grew stale after a week's play and reminded me too much of Planetside2 which is in the same boat - zerg vs zerg and zerg vs a bigger zerg - fun for a while but grows very old very fast as like you said - my individual skill barely matters because if the zerg I am part of sucks, my skill becomes irrelevant.
Same as you - I fight for personal skill growth, the status of a good and formidable player and to satisfy my competitive nature, but it's hard to do during laggy zergfights, which is why I will welcome small scale organised PvP areas/arenas with actual skill-based ranking not ranking based on mutagen spam and PvDoor... I mean alliance points..

Took the words right out of my mouth

I would definitly rather a oblivion style pvp arena than just being able to duel anywhere.

Dueling is good but pls keep it out of the cities.